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Re: Who creates our soul?
« Reply #45 on: December 26, 2011, 08:05:57 PM »
Hello again Beta,

I wondered if you might be willing to share your understanding of the verse offered earlier;

1 Thessalonians 5:23.  More specifically, why the distinction between body, soul and spirit in this scripture?

Also, if you please,  do you adhere to the doctrine of the Trinity?

Thank you for your consideration. God bless.


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Re: Who creates our soul?
« Reply #46 on: December 27, 2011, 05:49:49 AM »
Hello again Beta,

I wondered if you might be willing to share your understanding of the verse offered earlier;

1 Thessalonians 5:23.  More specifically, why the distinction between body, soul and spirit in this scripture?

Also, if you please,  do you adhere to the doctrine of the Trinity?

Thank you for your consideration. God bless.


1Thes.5v23; And the very God of peace 'sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless 'unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
The difference is that of a ' living body ' as compared to a 'dead body'...or 'a living soul to a dead soul.
To be honest I don't think man can always correctly figure out everything God is doing. The Bible says we can't and that is why we people have all our different beliefs. It takes GOD to reveal truth to us when He thinks fit....and we are to wait on Him.

No I do not believe in the trinity (though I was raised RC).
Jesus says : I and my Father are one. (He does not include the HS as a Person to make it 3) which I believe to be the 'POWER of God and can be given to man as many scriptures speak of. You can not receive another Being into your mind/spirit...only their spirit.
I generally let others have their views and opinions though quite firm in my own ::smile::  ::tippinghat::

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« Reply #47 on: December 27, 2011, 11:30:22 AM »
Thank you Beta, for sharing your thoughts with me. 

I share your opinion of man's inability to comprehend all things Godly.  You stated you are firm in your understanding / belief of these concepts, so do you believe that God has revealed it to you to be correct, or that He has done so to those you know / follow?

And, if you please, how do view the events described in Luke 3:22:

"And the Holy Ghost descended in bodily shape like a dove upon Him, and a voice came from Heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased"

As it would seem evident that the nature of God is fully present in this description.

Also Matthew 12:32 " and whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him; but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, nor in the world to come."

How would you view blaspheme against the 'power' of God, as opposed to the 'person' of God?

And, as for living within us, James 4:5 "Or do you think that the scripture says in vain, "the Spirit who lives in us yearns jealously?"

Does a 'power' possess emotions (jealousy)? And what Spirit lives in us, body and soul that we are?

Thank you again for your indulgence and patience.  God bless

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« Reply #48 on: December 28, 2011, 05:36:58 AM »
Thank you Beta, for sharing your thoughts with me. 

I share your opinion of man's inability to comprehend all things Godly.  You stated you are firm in your understanding / belief of these concepts, so do you believe that God has revealed it to you to be correct, or that He has done so to those you know / follow?

And, if you please, how do view the events described in Luke 3:22:

"And the Holy Ghost descended in bodily shape like a dove upon Him, and a voice came from Heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased"

As it would seem evident that the nature of God is fully present in this description.

Also Matthew 12:32 " and whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him; but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, nor in the world to come."

How would you view blaspheme against the 'power' of God, as opposed to the 'person' of God?

And, as for living within us, James 4:5 "Or do you think that the scripture says in vain, "the Spirit who lives in us yearns jealously?"

Does a 'power' possess emotions (jealousy)? And what Spirit lives in us, body and soul that we are?

Thank you again for your indulgence and patience.  God bless

Friend , I don't think we should make this discussion all about 'ME'. My views are not 'all-important. It would be nice to hear YOUR opinion and I guess they would be different from mine. however it would give us something to discuss ? ? ?  ::shrug::(but I would ask to keep them short and to the point  ::smile::)

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« Reply #49 on: December 28, 2011, 06:04:24 AM »
I have these questions for you, if you believe in annihilationism: Who creates our soul?  Is that creation good or evil?


Zec_12:1  The burden of the word of the LORD against Israel. Thus says the LORD, who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him:

Now to all those who believe in original sin --  Do you really believe that God who forms the spirit of man within him, forms a spirit which is dead in sin in the very outset?

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« Reply #50 on: December 28, 2011, 06:13:05 AM »
God creates man who possesses a soul. It is good, but it is tainted by the fall, but the spirit of man is void of the knowledge of God until the spirit of God awakens it.

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« Reply #51 on: December 28, 2011, 06:19:16 AM »
God creates man who possesses a soul. It is good, but it is tainted by the fall, but the spirit of man is void of the knowledge of God until the spirit of God awakens it.

How, precisely, was it tainted by the fall?

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« Reply #52 on: December 28, 2011, 06:25:36 AM »
God creates man who possesses a soul. It is good, but it is tainted by the fall, but the spirit of man is void of the knowledge of God until the spirit of God awakens it.

How, precisely, was it tainted by the fall?

Since Adam and Eve's sin, all mankind now are tainted with sin. It can be said that it is in our DNA. No one is born knowing God as Adam and Eve were created to know God. That is the result of their sin separating them from God.

When Adam sinned, sin entered the world. Adam’s sin brought death, so death spread to everyone, for everyone sinned. Romans 5:12

There is no argument that cab stand up to this truth.

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« Reply #53 on: December 28, 2011, 06:37:35 AM »
God creates man who possesses a soul. It is good, but it is tainted by the fall, but the spirit of man is void of the knowledge of God until the spirit of God awakens it.

How, precisely, was it tainted by the fall?

Since Adam and Eve's sin, all mankind now are tainted with sin. It can be said that it is in our DNA. No one is born knowing God as Adam and Eve were created to know God. That is the result of their sin separating them from God.

When Adam sinned, sin entered the world. Adam’s sin brought death, so death spread to everyone, for everyone sinned. Romans 5:12

There is no argument that cab stand up to this truth.

Jesus countered that idea with his oft quoted

John 3:6  That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

The spirit is not born of flesh.  It is not in our DNA. Adan and Eve cannot separate anyone but themselves from God.


Rom 8:38  For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come,
Rom 8:39  nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.


Only we, ourselves, can separate us from God - no one else and nothing else!!

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« Reply #54 on: December 28, 2011, 06:40:43 AM »
God creates man who possesses a soul. It is good, but it is tainted by the fall, but the spirit of man is void of the knowledge of God until the spirit of God awakens it.

How, precisely, was it tainted by the fall?

Since Adam and Eve's sin, all mankind now are tainted with sin. It can be said that it is in our DNA. No one is born knowing God as Adam and Eve were created to know God. That is the result of their sin separating them from God.

When Adam sinned, sin entered the world. Adam’s sin brought death, so death spread to everyone, for everyone sinned. Romans 5:12

There is no argument that cab stand up to this truth.

Jesus countered that idea with his oft quoted

John 3:6  That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

The spirit is not born of flesh.  It is not in our DNA. Adan and Eve cannot separate anyone but themselves from God.


Rom 8:38  For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come,
Rom 8:39  nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.


We are all born of the flesh and it is tainted with the curse of sin.When we are born of the spirit, that is wiped away.

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« Reply #55 on: December 28, 2011, 06:45:05 AM »
God creates man who possesses a soul. It is good, but it is tainted by the fall, but the spirit of man is void of the knowledge of God until the spirit of God awakens it.

How, precisely, was it tainted by the fall?

Since Adam and Eve's sin, all mankind now are tainted with sin. It can be said that it is in our DNA. No one is born knowing God as Adam and Eve were created to know God. That is the result of their sin separating them from God.

When Adam sinned, sin entered the world. Adam’s sin brought death, so death spread to everyone, for everyone sinned. Romans 5:12

There is no argument that cab stand up to this truth.

Jesus countered that idea with his oft quoted

John 3:6  That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

The spirit is not born of flesh.  It is not in our DNA. Adan and Eve cannot separate anyone but themselves from God.


Rom 8:38  For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come,
Rom 8:39  nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.


We are all born of the flesh and it is tainted with the curse of sin.When we are born of the spirit, that is wiped away.

So you really believe that God gave you a spirit tainted with the curse of sin.  I find that absolutely unbelievable that anyone would think that of God.

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« Reply #56 on: December 28, 2011, 06:48:32 AM »
God creates man who possesses a soul. It is good, but it is tainted by the fall, but the spirit of man is void of the knowledge of God until the spirit of God awakens it.

How, precisely, was it tainted by the fall?

Since Adam and Eve's sin, all mankind now are tainted with sin. It can be said that it is in our DNA. No one is born knowing God as Adam and Eve were created to know God. That is the result of their sin separating them from God.

When Adam sinned, sin entered the world. Adam’s sin brought death, so death spread to everyone, for everyone sinned. Romans 5:12

There is no argument that cab stand up to this truth.

Jesus countered that idea with his oft quoted

John 3:6  That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

The spirit is not born of flesh.  It is not in our DNA. Adan and Eve cannot separate anyone but themselves from God.


Rom 8:38  For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come,
Rom 8:39  nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.


We are all born of the flesh and it is tainted with the curse of sin.When we are born of the spirit, that is wiped away.

So you really believe that God gave you a spirit tainted with the curse of sin.  I find that absolutely unbelievable that anyone would think that of God.

Yes he did. I was born a sinner, just like king David said he was. No one on this planet since Adam has ever been born without the curse of sin. It is only unbelievable to those who like to think that they are good, even though God tells us all that no one is good, and all of us have sinned and all come short of the glory of God. Either God is right or he's a liar and there are those who don't really need a saviour. That is a lie from the pit.

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« Reply #57 on: December 28, 2011, 06:54:00 AM »
God creates man who possesses a soul. It is good, but it is tainted by the fall, but the spirit of man is void of the knowledge of God until the spirit of God awakens it.

How, precisely, was it tainted by the fall?

Since Adam and Eve's sin, all mankind now are tainted with sin. It can be said that it is in our DNA. No one is born knowing God as Adam and Eve were created to know God. That is the result of their sin separating them from God.

When Adam sinned, sin entered the world. Adam’s sin brought death, so death spread to everyone, for everyone sinned. Romans 5:12

There is no argument that cab stand up to this truth.

Jesus countered that idea with his oft quoted

John 3:6  That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

The spirit is not born of flesh.  It is not in our DNA. Adan and Eve cannot separate anyone but themselves from God.


Rom 8:38  For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come,
Rom 8:39  nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.


We are all born of the flesh and it is tainted with the curse of sin.When we are born of the spirit, that is wiped away.

So you really believe that God gave you a spirit tainted with the curse of sin.  I find that absolutely unbelievable that anyone would think that of God.

Yes he did. I was born a sinner, just like king David said he was. No one on this planet since Adam has ever been born without the curse of sin. It is only unbelievable to those who like to think that they are good, even though God tells us all that no one is good, and all of us have sinned and all come short of the glory of God. Either God is right or he's a liar and no one really needs a saviour.

Your statement, "Yes he did", ought to be the clue to you just how wrong, just how heinous is the concept of original sin.

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« Reply #58 on: December 28, 2011, 06:55:35 AM »
God creates man who possesses a soul. It is good, but it is tainted by the fall, but the spirit of man is void of the knowledge of God until the spirit of God awakens it.

How, precisely, was it tainted by the fall?

Since Adam and Eve's sin, all mankind now are tainted with sin. It can be said that it is in our DNA. No one is born knowing God as Adam and Eve were created to know God. That is the result of their sin separating them from God.

When Adam sinned, sin entered the world. Adam’s sin brought death, so death spread to everyone, for everyone sinned. Romans 5:12

There is no argument that cab stand up to this truth.

Jesus countered that idea with his oft quoted

John 3:6  That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

The spirit is not born of flesh.  It is not in our DNA. Adan and Eve cannot separate anyone but themselves from God.


Rom 8:38  For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come,
Rom 8:39  nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.


We are all born of the flesh and it is tainted with the curse of sin.When we are born of the spirit, that is wiped away.

So you really believe that God gave you a spirit tainted with the curse of sin.  I find that absolutely unbelievable that anyone would think that of God.

Yes he did. I was born a sinner, just like king David said he was. No one on this planet since Adam has ever been born without the curse of sin. It is only unbelievable to those who like to think that they are good, even though God tells us all that no one is good, and all of us have sinned and all come short of the glory of God. Either God is right or he's a liar and no one really needs a saviour.

Your statement, "Yes he did", ought to be the clue to you just how wrong, just how heinous is the concept of original sin.

There's nothing heinous about it, although sin is heinous. It is reality. Pride is what keeps people from realizing it. One correction, though: We are born innocent, but because of the fall of man, we are born with the curse of sin on us. Our spirits are born empty or dead to the things of God, until the Holy Ghost comes to influence us.

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« Reply #59 on: December 28, 2011, 07:06:31 AM »
I have these questions for you, if you believe in annihilationism: Who creates our soul?  Is that creation good or evil?
You have to define what you mean by 'soul.' It is used about a dozen different ways in scripture.  The most frequent use simply means an individual person.