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« Reply #15 on: August 08, 2007, 12:07:29 AM »
Quote from: CSloan on August 07, 2007, 11:45:12 PM
Quote from: goodman on August 07, 2007, 10:59:05 PM
Do you realize if one letter is added or deleted the whole mathematical system brakes down?

Sounds like you are a advocate for this book.

Im perplexed by it. I've been trying to compose 4 words similar as the Koran, but I could not. Thats why I started this thread. Personally, I do not say things which I have not verified. In this case I have thoroughly verified it. Im not an advocate for it. I want to prove it wrong. Thats why I need your help?

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I made no allegation, I never said It had some silly structure. You asked if it did, I said I would see.

If it does not have a ''silly structure'' then its of little use to me.
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« Reply #16 on: August 08, 2007, 04:14:13 AM »
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in wonder what the topic has to do with salvation?  neither chrsitians, moslems, jews, nor the vast hosts of others will be saved from sin by a puzzlement over the number 19.

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« Reply #17 on: August 08, 2007, 04:21:10 AM »
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in wonder what the topic has to do with salvation?  neither chrsitians, moslems, jews, nor the vast hosts of others will be saved from sin by a puzzlement over the number 19.

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Your right no one is going to be saved by the number 19. Thats not what the thread is about. I only wanted a little help from my fellow Christians to beat the Koranic challenge. I've done research on it for a few months and I only informed everyone here about my findings.
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« Reply #18 on: August 08, 2007, 06:55:16 AM »
Quote from: CSloan on August 07, 2007, 11:45:12 PM
Quote from: goodman on August 07, 2007, 10:59:05 PM
Do you realize if one letter is added or deleted the whole mathematical system brakes down?

Sounds like you are a advocate for this book.
Certainly seems so, doesn't it?
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« Reply #19 on: August 08, 2007, 07:39:00 AM »
Quote from: jmg3rd on August 08, 2007, 06:55:16 AM
Quote from: CSloan on August 07, 2007, 11:45:12 PM
Quote from: goodman on August 07, 2007, 10:59:05 PM
Do you realize if one letter is added or deleted the whole mathematical system brakes down?

Sounds like you are a advocate for this book.
Certainly seems so, doesn't it?

Would you prefer I abuse Muslims? Is that the Christian way? Would you rather I lie about my research?
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« Reply #20 on: August 08, 2007, 07:59:09 AM »
Goodman, you'll have to overlook our skepticism.  We have had many, many, many people come to this forum over the years and misrepresent themselves.  They pretend to be something they aren't, all to make a point.  In short - they lie and others get sucked into their lies - and we are tired of getting sucked in by people like that.

When you come here and spend so high a percentage of your posts in this thread and the thread entitled "what your church teaches about Allah", it raises red flags for many people here.

If you stick around a while so that we can get to know you a little better, you will see that skepticism dwindle quite a bit.
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« Reply #21 on: August 08, 2007, 10:48:07 AM »
And if you are in doubt as to which We have revealed to Our servant,
then produce a sura like it, and call on your helper, besides Allah, if you are truthful.
Sura 2:23

This is called the logical fallacy of shifting the burden of proof.

Look at the next passage:

If you cannot do this and you can never do this then beware of the Hellfire,
whose fuel is people and rocks; it awaits the disbelievers.
Sura 2:24

This is the propaganda tactic of intimidation.
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« Reply #22 on: August 08, 2007, 11:16:38 AM »
The descriptor "like" is too vague.  Like in what way?  Same subject matter?  Same language?  Same number of words, letters, or paragraphs?  Same doctrine?  Same effect on the reader?

You will not win people to Christ by meeting some silly challenge in the Koran.
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« Reply #23 on: August 08, 2007, 11:43:35 AM »
Quote from: spurly on August 08, 2007, 07:59:09 AM
Goodman, you'll have to overlook our skepticism.  We have had many, many, many people come to this forum over the years and misrepresent themselves.  They pretend to be something they aren't, all to make a point.  In short - they lie and others get sucked into their lies - and we are tired of getting sucked in by people like that.

I'll overlook the skepticism, no probs.


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When you come here and spend so high a percentage of your posts in this thread and the thread entitled "what your church teaches about Allah", it raises red flags for many people here.

If you stick around a while so that we can get to know you a little better, you will see that skepticism dwindle quite a bit.

Im not sure what your trying to convey. Im getting a mixed message. Would you like me to delete all my posts? not a problem. If you can as a mod delete my posts please do so. I don't mind.
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« Reply #24 on: August 08, 2007, 11:50:12 AM »
Quote from: goodman on August 08, 2007, 11:43:35 AM
Quote from: spurly on August 08, 2007, 07:59:09 AM
Goodman, you'll have to overlook our skepticism.  We have had many, many, many people come to this forum over the years and misrepresent themselves.  They pretend to be something they aren't, all to make a point.  In short - they lie and others get sucked into their lies - and we are tired of getting sucked in by people like that.

I'll overlook the skepticism, no probs.


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When you come here and spend so high a percentage of your posts in this thread and the thread entitled "what your church teaches about Allah", it raises red flags for many people here.

If you stick around a while so that we can get to know you a little better, you will see that skepticism dwindle quite a bit.

Im not sure what your trying to convey. Im getting a mixed message. Would you like me to delete all my posts? not a problem. If you can as a mod delete my posts please do so. I don't mind.

Nope, I'm not suggesting that you delete your posts, what I am suggesting is that as you stick around and we get to know you better there will be a lot less skepticism from members here who have been burned many times in the past by people claiming false conversions to Islam, people claiming to be Christians who are really atheists, people claiming to want to search for the truth, all the while not wanting to seek the truth but wanting to mock those of us who claim to follow the Truth of Christ, and the list goes on and on and on.

I'm not saying that you are leading us down one of those paths.  What I am saying is that if you stick around long enough we will have less skepticism toward you and will be more apt to listen to some of your concerns.  In the meantime that's just one of the flaws of internet forums that we have to learn to live with.
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« Reply #25 on: August 08, 2007, 12:12:05 PM »
Quote from: goodman on August 08, 2007, 04:21:10 AM
Quote from: david johnson on August 08, 2007, 04:14:13 AM
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in wonder what the topic has to do with salvation?  neither chrsitians, moslems, jews, nor the vast hosts of others will be saved from sin by a puzzlement over the number 19.

dj 

Your right no one is going to be saved by the number 19. Thats not what the thread is about. I only wanted a little help from my fellow Christians to beat the Koranic challenge. I've done research on it for a few months and I only informed everyone here about my findings.


to defeat the koranic challenge, whatever one deems that to be, one must turn to Christ and forget mohammed.  i fear that is a challenge which most moslems will not accept.
much more crucial than any numeral.

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« Reply #26 on: August 08, 2007, 12:21:04 PM »
Quote from: spurly on August 08, 2007, 11:50:12 AM
Quote from: goodman on August 08, 2007, 11:43:35 AM
Quote from: spurly on August 08, 2007, 07:59:09 AM
Goodman, you'll have to overlook our skepticism.  We have had many, many, many people come to this forum over the years and misrepresent themselves.  They pretend to be something they aren't, all to make a point.  In short - they lie and others get sucked into their lies - and we are tired of getting sucked in by people like that.

I'll overlook the skepticism, no probs.


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When you come here and spend so high a percentage of your posts in this thread and the thread entitled "what your church teaches about Allah", it raises red flags for many people here.

If you stick around a while so that we can get to know you a little better, you will see that skepticism dwindle quite a bit.

Im not sure what your trying to convey. Im getting a mixed message. Would you like me to delete all my posts? not a problem. If you can as a mod delete my posts please do so. I don't mind.

Nope, I'm not suggesting that you delete your posts, what I am suggesting is that as you stick around and we get to know you better there will be a lot less skepticism from members here who have been burned many times in the past by people claiming false conversions to Islam, people claiming to be Christians who are really atheists, people claiming to want to search for the truth, all the while not wanting to seek the truth but wanting to mock those of us who claim to follow the Truth of Christ, and the list goes on and on and on.

I'm not saying that you are leading us down one of those paths.  What I am saying is that if you stick around long enough we will have less skepticism toward you and will be more apt to listen to some of your concerns.  In the meantime that's just one of the flaws of internet forums that we have to learn to live with.

I clearly understand what your saying. Thanks.
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