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« Reply #45 on: November 07, 2009, 06:39:09 AM »

Those rings in core samples are not annual seasons (winter/summer), they are simply periodic temperature shifts (warm/cold).

http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v15/i3/greenland.asp


Ah yes, Michael Oard and the "post-Flood rapid ice age model".  I was hoping to see him write a peer reviewed scientific journal on his theory but alas, when I google it...all I really see are links to creationist websites.  I think I'll stick with the folks who actually study the ice cores around the globe and share their findings with the scientific community.


"Recent scientific revelations confirm that Antarctica has been under ice and snow for only about 10,000 years.

I had to smile when I saw this one.  A.  10,000 years is an aweful long time for a 'young earth' no?  B.  I didn't see any references to his claim anyway.  Which 'recent scientific revelations' confirm this?

Snow/thaw/freeze cycles encapsulated in 2 mile thick ice core samples were once thought to be annual rings, suggesting that ice has been there for 175,000 years. However, evidence from Greenland suggests otherwise.
The "Lost Squadron", American planes ditched on Greenland during WW2, were found in 1986 under 267 ' of snow and ice. That's forty feet per year. At that rate of deposit, Greenland may have been ice free only 400 years ago."[/i]
http://www.2012online.org/2012research/iceage/

An old claim which is hardly scientific.

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD410.html

Also, the opening statement is "Ice ages come every 11,500 years. A mega ice age comes every 105,000 years. Both are due between now and 2012."  So the very article you use as support for a young earth actually claims the opposite, did you read the article?

The evidence for the ice being much less than 10,000 years old, their conclusion is erroneous because of their preconceived notions about the age of the earth. But just looking at the facts in the recovery of P-38 the ice caps are much younger than commonly reported from evolutionist.

But I fail to see what this has to do with the topic.


Your rebuttal to the age of the ice caps is the P-38 crash?  You're right this is off topic, I was originally responding to Jaime who mentioned the age of the earth.
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« Reply #46 on: November 07, 2009, 10:06:09 AM »

The point of P-38 was to show that ice cores are inaccurate for determining age of the earth.
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« Reply #47 on: November 07, 2009, 12:46:48 PM »

The point of P-38 was to show that ice cores are inaccurate for determining age of the earth.


I would gladly admit that ice cores are not the best way to prove the earth is old.
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« Reply #48 on: November 07, 2009, 08:17:47 PM »

I suspect your blind devotion to evolution prevents you from acknowledging the star role it has played in the decline of humanity.
Humanity isn't declining.  The society in the US is, but on the grand scale, things have improved from one century to the next pretty consistently.

If you disagree, live without electricity for a week and then let's talk.
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« Reply #49 on: November 07, 2009, 08:26:56 PM »

The topic is the relationship between Darwin's writings, and Hitler's actions/philosophy, specifically regarding RACISM, not origins.

If you've read Origin of Species, you know that Darwin was quite racist.
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« Reply #50 on: November 07, 2009, 09:06:00 PM »

Humanity isn't declining.  The society in the US is, but on the grand scale, things have improved from one century to the next pretty consistently.

In the United States we are at the lowest point ever.
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« Reply #51 on: November 07, 2009, 09:42:11 PM »

This data is substantiated time and again regarding the public:
1) in the summer months, ice cream consumption more than quadruple compared to in the winter months.
2) in the summer months, swimming deaths more than quadruple compared to in the winter months.
Therefore, eating icecream leads to drowning.

That fact.  That's science.  It's irrefutable evidence.

Darwin and Hitler.  Interesting.
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« Reply #52 on: November 08, 2009, 07:30:17 AM »

The topic is the relationship between Darwin's writings, and Hitler's actions/philosophy, specifically regarding RACISM, not origins.

If you've read Origin of Species, you know that Darwin was quite racist.



What I'm still waiting for someone to show is, even if we conclude that Hitler based some of his actions on the theory of evolution, does this discount the theory?  I don't think it does.   People are forgetting that Hitler was also probably mad, doesn't that have weight?

Also, with regard to Darwin, even if he WAS racist, how does that invalidate his theory?   Fallacies run amok in this thread it seems.


I seem to recall a major figure in history saying something like "Why give to the dogs [gentiles] what belongs to the house of Israel [Jews]?"
Sounds along the lines of racism to me, does this invalidate Christiantiy?
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« Reply #53 on: November 08, 2009, 08:10:31 AM »

The point of P-38 was to show that ice cores are inaccurate for determining age of the earth.


I would gladly admit that ice cores are not the best way to prove the earth is old.

True, but ice cores are a pretty good indication that the earth is a lot older than the YEC will admit to.  Shoot, there are trees in existance in the White Mountains of California that have been around longer than even the earth itself according to most of the YEC.
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« Reply #54 on: November 09, 2009, 08:51:53 AM »

No Bristlecone Pine trees are older than 5,000 years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prometheus_%28tree%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methuselah_%28tree%29
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« Reply #55 on: November 09, 2009, 12:00:03 PM »


Read more carefully.  No living Bristlecone Pine trees are old than 5,000 years.  There are existing dead Bristlecones that are determined to be much older than that.  By corralating the three rings of living and dead trees it has been determined that some existing dead Bristlecones can be dated to be nearly 9000 years.

http://sonic.net/bristlecone/dendro.html

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« Reply #56 on: November 09, 2009, 12:21:26 PM »

I don't think that's necessarily inconsistent with a young earth worldview.
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« Reply #57 on: November 09, 2009, 12:35:21 PM »

I don't think that's necessarily inconsistent with a young earth worldview.


I think every young earther I've met was also a literalist.  Being a literalist you would obviously believe the flood story, that being said, there shouldn't be anything organic that has been alive for more than say 4500 years.  Another words, trees don't do well under water for almost a year.

Bishop Usher used geneologies in the Bible to get a figure of around 7000K years....but again, if you believe the flood story, then you are limited to much less than that with regard to organic life. 
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« Reply #58 on: November 09, 2009, 12:39:11 PM »

The time lines are not an exact science, the genealogies are far from complete.

But literal flood and organic life might prove an interesting topic, you should start a new thread and explain.
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« Reply #59 on: November 09, 2009, 12:47:13 PM »

Like all explanations, all one has to say is that God broke biological laws to resurrect dead plant cells following the flood and kept animal  inbreeding coefficients at bay until a later date.  That is all that is needed to be said.  Case closed.
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