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« Reply #135 on: October 27, 2009, 11:04:12 AM »

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IF one remembers that bishop means overseer, etc., then many features of the KJV render it trustworthy.

And like I have said before.. I you want an Anglican centric version of the bible.. the all means us the KJV.

But if you aren't Anglican, I can see no logical reason to use the KJV because of its bias.

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Read God's Word prayerfully every day; it's a joy and privilege.

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« Reply #136 on: October 27, 2009, 11:48:33 AM »

There are a lot more issues then just that.. the use of the word church for example.. teachings on marriage for example.  Pretty much anything that could have impacted existing anglican dogma was altered when translated.
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« Reply #136 on: October 27, 2009, 11:48:33 AM »

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« Reply #137 on: October 27, 2009, 01:18:13 PM »

The majority text translations (Textus Receptus as one), come from the Byzantine group of manuscripts and are significantly different from the Alexandrian group of manuscripts of which Codex Sinaiticus and Codex Vatican are the earliest known complete copies.

That the Alexandrian Catechetical School (out of which the minority group of manuscripts were written) was rife with heresy, should be sufficient for us to regard very carefully the eclectic translations that have relied significantly on that minority manuscript source ( NIV, NSAB, NEB etc.).

But I would caution against dismissing every modern translation that does not fully conform with the majority text manuscripts. In all but a few instances, the differences are slight and not sufficient to corrupt and destroy the faith of those who read them. I prefer the KJV and NKJV to the NIV and NASB but I do use other Bibles for comparisons and explanatory notes -- even the Jerusalem Bible.

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I find it an interesting observation that it was the Alexandrians with whom Stephen was disputing when he was stoned. They did not believe that Jesus came in the flesh.
I concur with your comments

I'm not sure about this logic.  The Jews crucified Christ, did they not?  The oracles of God were committed to the Jews - were they not?  Does logic allow us to conclude that since the Jews as a nation rejected Christ that we no longer regard the Jewish influence of the scriptures?

Truthfully, I find the majority of the dialogue in this thread to be quite curious. 

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« Reply #138 on: November 11, 2009, 05:18:10 AM »

The story is told of four ministers discussing the pros and cons of various Bible translations and paraphrases. Eventually each stated which version, in his opinion, is the best.
The first minister said he used the King James because the Old English style is beautiful and produces the most reverent picture of the Holy Scriptures.
The second said he preferred the New American Standard Bible because he felt it comes nearer to the original Greek and Hebrew texts.
The third minister said his favorite was the paraphrased Living Bible because his congregation was young, and it related to them in a practical way.
All three men waited while the fourth minister sat silently.
Finally he said, "I guess when it comes to translations and paraphrased editions of the Bible, I like my Dad's translation best. He put the Word of God into practice every day. It was the most convincing translation I've ever seen."
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« Reply #139 on: November 11, 2009, 09:27:33 AM »

The story is told of four ministers discussing the pros and cons of various Bible translations and paraphrases. Eventually each stated which version, in his opinion, is the best.
The first minister said he used the King James because the Old English style is beautiful and produces the most reverent picture of the Holy Scriptures.
The second said he preferred the New American Standard Bible because he felt it comes nearer to the original Greek and Hebrew texts.
The third minister said his favorite was the paraphrased Living Bible because his congregation was young, and it related to them in a practical way.
All three men waited while the fourth minister sat silently.
Finally he said, "I guess when it comes to translations and paraphrased editions of the Bible, I like my Dad's translation best. He put the Word of God into practice every day. It was the most convincing translation I've ever seen."


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« Reply #140 on: December 12, 2009, 12:24:50 PM »

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KJV---(King James Version)RSV---(Revised Standard Version)---NIV(New International Version)

1 John 5:7
Removal of the Trinity
KJV---For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost:and these three are one.
RSV---For there are three that testify the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost
NIV---( missing )


Romans 1:3
Systematic removal of the divinity of Jesus Christ
KJV---Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
RSV--- concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, who was born of the seed of David according to the flesh,
NIV---regarding his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, who as to his human nature was a descendant of David,


Acts 22:16
Systematic removal of the divinity of Jesus Christ
KJV---wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord
RSV---and wash away thy sins, calling on his name.
NIV---wash your sins away, calling on his name.


Even if the mention of the Trinity is missing in the KJV, the RSV, or the NIV Study Bible for instance, I don't mind...I know that the Trinity is true...and not reading about it in the NIV won't make me change my mind...

I owe a French Thompson Bible and a NIV Study Bible...I have compared them. Everything that is missing in the NIV, any verse at all IS included in the Thompson Bible...I do not worry about that and it doesn't threat my faith in Jesus whatsoever...

I used to have a link to an article about the NIV Bible...it said that the NIV Bible was the worse one... I don't know, what do you think?







***You have used "I" SIX times in reference to yourself...stating that changes, omissions, etc., don't bother you because you already know the doctrines and these changes won't affect you. Well even if they don't it is still a terrible thing and might "hurt" someone who isn't as grounded in the faith as you are. I think your answer is quite self-centered and selfish. Think about how these translations might hurt your brothers/sisters in the faith.

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« Reply #140 on: December 12, 2009, 12:24:50 PM »

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« Reply #141 on: December 18, 2009, 03:28:27 AM »

read the youngs literal and many of these inconsistencies will disappear
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« Reply #142 on: December 18, 2009, 07:24:23 PM »

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The story is told of four ministers discussing the pros and cons of various Bible translations and paraphrases. Eventually each stated which version, in his opinion, is the best.
The first minister said he used the King James because the Old English style is beautiful and produces the most reverent picture of the Holy Scriptures.
The second said he preferred the New American Standard Bible because he felt it comes nearer to the original Greek and Hebrew texts.
The third minister said his favorite was the paraphrased Living Bible because his congregation was young, and it related to them in a practical way.
All three men waited while the fourth minister sat silently.
Finally he said, "I guess when it comes to translations and paraphrased editions of the Bible, I like my Dad's translation best. He put the Word of God into practice every day. It was the most convincing translation I've ever seen."


And then Jesus spoke and said," and I sent you the Holy Spirirt, to teach you and to lead you into all the truth, and am I not the truth".?

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« Reply #143 on: December 19, 2009, 05:39:20 AM »

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The story is told of four ministers discussing the pros and cons of various Bible translations and paraphrases. Eventually each stated which version, in his opinion, is the best.
The first minister said he used the King James because the Old English style is beautiful and produces the most reverent picture of the Holy Scriptures.
The second said he preferred the New American Standard Bible because he felt it comes nearer to the original Greek and Hebrew texts.
The third minister said his favorite was the paraphrased Living Bible because his congregation was young, and it related to them in a practical way.
All three men waited while the fourth minister sat silently.
Finally he said, "I guess when it comes to translations and paraphrased editions of the Bible, I like my Dad's translation best. He put the Word of God into practice every day. It was the most convincing translation I've ever seen."


And then Jesus spoke and said," and I sent you the Holy Spirirt, to teach you and to lead you into all the truth, and am I not the truth".?

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i agree with you on that
god himself is the primary source of truth, and also our openess to the truth(from the heart not from dogma,wants or emotions), whatever it is and may make us feel - good or bad
it may rub some people up the wrong way but our translations are not perfect, we would have to be very gullible to think that
i also do not think our canon is perfect either (i refuse to jump on the catholic,protestant or whatever else bandwagon)
but the important thing is , is that we have enough concerning salvation, the covenant of christ for example and gods commandments which are the primary essentials and are in clear view
spirit and truth, thats what it's all about
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