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« Reply #30 on: October 30, 2009, 10:58:14 AM »
She's right, Tantor, all you do is try and destroy the influence of the Bible. That is bad for a Christian forum.
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« Reply #31 on: October 30, 2009, 11:02:00 AM »
Tantor:
"all I am trying to do is free the Bible from it's captivity to human depravity.. which is what you have done."

What on earth do you believe?  God speaks to my heart whenever I read the Bible.  I know this, anyone who has the Holy Spirit indwelling them KNOWS this.  He speaks TRUTH to my heart. 
"For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart." Heb 4:12

I don't know about your doctrine of illumination, sounds like a doctrine made up by men who don't want people to know the truth because then they might question what they are being taught.
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« Reply #32 on: October 30, 2009, 11:02:22 AM »
Quote from: Bonnie on October 30, 2009, 10:58:14 AM
She's right, Tantor, all you do is try and destroy the influence of the Bible. That is bad for a Christian forum.

It's a shame that you are such small minded when it comes to this discussion.

And I wll say it again... fundamentally it does not matter which translation you use (although some are better then others in my opinion).. without the guidance of the Holy Spirit the scriptures contain ZERO truths for you to discern.
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« Reply #33 on: October 30, 2009, 11:03:57 AM »
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I don't think so. As the writers wrote the letters to the churches the NT was in the making. God said the Scriptures are written by holy men as the Spirit gave them utterance.  Our examples are to be found in the Bible no matter how hard you try to do away with it.

Who says I am trying to do away with the bible?... all I am trying to do is free the Bible from it's captivity to human depravity.. which is what you have done.



Now that is a good one!  Rolling on floor laughing
You drag every bible known through the mud and claim to know Greek.

If you had been reading my posts you would understand that I view your comment there as totally irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

What translation you read from and what source documents your translation is made from make no difference.. to restate it.  The outcome is still the same... without the Holy Spirits guidance you are incapable of discerning the truths contained in the scriptures.

And I will repeat the above till it sinks in.





It sunk in long before I ever made the first post to you.
You are so easy to see through, Tantor. This newbie even reads you correctly.
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« Reply #34 on: October 30, 2009, 11:05:40 AM »
Quote from: Tantor on October 30, 2009, 11:02:22 AM
Quote from: Bonnie on October 30, 2009, 10:58:14 AM
She's right, Tantor, all you do is try and destroy the influence of the Bible. That is bad for a Christian forum.

It's a shame that you are such small minded when it comes to this discussion.

And I wll say it again... fundamentally it does not matter which translation you use (although some are better then others in my opinion).. without the guidance of the Holy Spirit the scriptures contain ZERO truths for you to discern.


Your the one putting the Bible down not me!
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« Reply #35 on: October 30, 2009, 11:06:56 AM »
Maybe someday you will grow in faith to understand the error of your ways.

The best way I can point to what I believe is to have you read..

http://www.amazon.com/Unleashing-Scripture-Freeing-Captivity-America/dp/0687316782

It will educate you into just how unprepared the western world is from even attempting to read sacred scripture.
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« Reply #36 on: October 30, 2009, 11:07:45 AM »
Quote from: Bonnie on October 30, 2009, 11:05:40 AM
Quote from: Tantor on October 30, 2009, 11:02:22 AM
Quote from: Bonnie on October 30, 2009, 10:58:14 AM
She's right, Tantor, all you do is try and destroy the influence of the Bible. That is bad for a Christian forum.

It's a shame that you are such small minded when it comes to this discussion.

And I wll say it again... fundamentally it does not matter which translation you use (although some are better then others in my opinion).. without the guidance of the Holy Spirit the scriptures contain ZERO truths for you to discern.


Your the one putting the Bible down not me!

Who says I am putting it down?... I've always been saying that the tools and world view that that you possess make you unprepared to interpret scripture.
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« Reply #37 on: October 30, 2009, 11:07:51 AM »
Hey, go back and read these posts. Where did I say we don't need the Holy Spirit?  I haven't even hinted at that.
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« Reply #38 on: October 30, 2009, 11:08:25 AM »
What do you define the term bible to mean?.. and why?
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« Reply #39 on: October 30, 2009, 11:11:46 AM »
Quote from: Tantor on October 30, 2009, 11:07:45 AM
Quote from: Bonnie on October 30, 2009, 11:05:40 AM
Quote from: Tantor on October 30, 2009, 11:02:22 AM
Quote from: Bonnie on October 30, 2009, 10:58:14 AM
She's right, Tantor, all you do is try and destroy the influence of the Bible. That is bad for a Christian forum.

It's a shame that you are such small minded when it comes to this discussion.

And I wll say it again... fundamentally it does not matter which translation you use (although some are better then others in my opinion).. without the guidance of the Holy Spirit the scriptures contain ZERO truths for you to discern.


Your the one putting the Bible down not me!

Who says I am putting it down?... I've always been saying that the tools and world view that that you possess make you unprepared to interpret scripture.



I don't need any tools other than what God has given me  ~ the Bible and the Holy Spirit.
You admire and put your soul on the line for some theologian. They're all nothing more than men.  Don't put your confidence in them. Don't you know better than that?
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« Reply #40 on: October 30, 2009, 11:13:59 AM »
Tantor- I'm afraid when you speak of the "western world view" you reveal where you are coming from.  Which explains so much about you.  Are you sure you are on the right kind of forum?
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« Reply #41 on: October 30, 2009, 11:19:45 AM »
Quote from: Doc on October 30, 2009, 10:21:03 AM
Quote from: Ciscokid on October 30, 2009, 09:42:15 AM
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As we can see from scripture itself, the results of original inspiration - 2Peter 1:21 - cannot be limited to the original autographs, but must also be extended to copies of those originals.  


Does this also extend out to every Bible every compiled?  After all, a Bible is simply a translation of an earlier copy which was possibly written in another language.   What's the difference?

I mean what is the point of protecting the originals and the subsequent copies if you're not going to continue on down the line?



Apparently you are unaware that NO ORIGINAL MANUSCRIPTS EXIT. 

Doc


I know they don't exist, yet you are confident that their message has been preserved.  I'm asking, does this 'protection' extend out to the Bibles we have floating around out  there too?
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« Reply #42 on: October 30, 2009, 11:37:24 AM »
Quote from: haveahope on October 30, 2009, 11:13:59 AM
Tantor- I'm afraid when you speak of the "western world view" you reveal where you are coming from.  Which explains so much about you.  Are you sure you are on the right kind of forum?


Hello and Welcome to the forum. I promise that Tantor is one of a kind. I hope you enjoy posting and fellowshipping here.

God Bless
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« Reply #43 on: October 30, 2009, 11:38:17 AM »
Quote from: haveahope on October 30, 2009, 11:13:59 AM
Tantor- I'm afraid when you speak of the "western world view" you reveal where you are coming from.  Which explains so much about you.  Are you sure you are on the right kind of forum?

I'm not catholic, orthodox or any other religion.

I follow only Jesus.
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« Reply #44 on: October 30, 2009, 12:44:11 PM »
So Jesus speaks only to you certain truths? From the Holy Spirit.  You don't need the Bible because you have revelations from the Holy Spirit?
 The Bible is the final authority and you are correct that there are many demoninations which may have a few differences, but if they are Bible Believing  and stand on the authority of scripture the differences will not be huge and they are not going to make a difference in Salvation through faith in the blood of Jesus substituionary death on the cross.  In other words they will agree on much more than they will disagree on.

If there is not an authority of the word of God then we would have chaos.  "Every man doing that which is right in his own eyes." -  And God is not the author of confusion - He didn't leave us with insufficient information about Him.  He gave us all we need so that we might know Him.

HAH

Bonnie - hey thanks for the welcome.  It is interesting around here for sure!  God bless
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