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« Reply #90 on: September 28, 2009, 11:34:39 AM »

I am aware of that the same as I am aware the earth is about 4.5 billion yours old, but what has that got to do with the sudden appearance of all the different specie?



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« Reply #91 on: October 01, 2009, 07:17:34 PM »

http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/science/10/01/oldest.human.skeleton/index.html

By Azadeh Ansari
 (CNN) -- The oldest-known hominid skeleton was a 4-foot-tall female who walked upright more than 4 million years ago and offers new clues to how humans may have evolved, scientists say.
Scientists believe that the fossilized remains, which were discovered in 1994 in Ethiopia and studied for years by an international team of researchers, support beliefs that humans and chimpanzees evolved separately from a common ancestor.
"This is not an ordinary fossil. It's not a chimp. It's not a human. It shows us what we used to be," said project co-director Tim White, a paleontologist at the University of California, Berkeley.
Ardipithecus ramidus, nicknamed "Ardi," is a hominid species that lived 4.4 million years ago in what is now Aramis, Ethiopia. That makes Ardi more than a million years older than the celebrated Lucy, the partial ape-human skeleton found in Africa in 1974.
Ardi's 125-piece skeleton includes the skull, teeth, pelvis, hands and feet bones. Scientists say the data collected from Ardi's bone fragments over the past 17 years push back the story of human evolution further than previously believed.
"In fact, what Ardipithecus tells us is that we as humans have been evolving to what we are today for at least 6 million years," C. Owen Lovejoy, an evolutionary biologist at Kent State University and project anatomist, said Thursday.
Analysis of Ardi's skeleton reveals that she weighed about 110 pounds, had very long arms and fingers, and possessed an opposable big toe that would have helped her grasp branches while moving through trees.
Ardi's brain was believed to be the size of a chimp's, but she also had many human-like features, such as the ability to walk upright on two legs. Her "all-purpose type" teeth indicate that she probably ate a combination of plants, fruits and small mammals, scientists say.
"The anatomy behind this behavioral combination is very unexpected and is certain to cause considerable rethinking of not only our evolutionary past, but also that of our living relatives: the great apes," said Alan Walker, professor of biological anthropology at Pennsylvania State University.
Many scientists hypothesize that humans took a different evolutionary trajectory from those of chimpanzees, bonobos and gorillas. Ardi's findings help challenge earlier beliefs that humans evolved from chimpanzees, their closest genetic relatives, scientists say. Researchers are still trying to pinpoint when the two lineages -- chimps and humans -- split from their common ancestor.
Digging up the past has not been easy.
Scientists stumbled upon the Ardipithecus fossil in 1994 when a graduate student found a single upper molar tooth. The rest of Ardi's fossilized bones, sandwiched between layers of volcanic rock, took three years to be recovered and many more to be analyzed.
"In many ways, the discovery of Ardipithecus has been like a marathon," White said.
"Ardipithecus ramidus and its prevailing anatomy revolutionize the way most of us understood the earlier part of our evolutionary history," said team member Yohannes Haile-Selassie, paleontologist at the Cleveland Museum of Natural History.
The Ardi findings are the work of 47 paleontologists and geologists representing 10 countries. The results will be published Friday in 11 articles in a special edition of the journal Science.
Until now, Australopithecus, nicknamed "Lucy," was the oldest fossil studied by scientists seeking to explain human evolution. Lucy is believed to have lived about 3.2 million years ago in what is now Ethiopia.
Many scientists credit Ethiopia with taking the lead in helping the world better understand the origins of humans.
"This finding points to a deeper sense of our [humans'] interconnectedness," Samuel Assefa, Ethiopian ambassador to the United States, said Thursday. "We are all Ethiopians at heart."
Ardi's skeleton resides in the National Museum of Ethiopia in Addis Ababa.
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« Reply #92 on: October 01, 2009, 08:31:11 PM »

I am aware of that the same as I am aware the earth is about 4.5 billion yours old, but what has that got to do with the sudden appearance of all the different specie?




Not all that sudden.  It took 70-80 million years, and happened by the usual process of evolution by natural selection.
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« Reply #93 on: October 21, 2009, 10:58:15 PM »

NEW YORK - Remember Ida, the fossil discovery announced last May with its own book and TV documentary? A publicity blitz called it "the link" that would reveal the earliest evolutionary roots of monkeys, apes and humans.

Experts protested that Ida wasn't even a close relative. And now a new analysis supports their reaction.

In fact, Ida is as far removed from the monkey-ape-human ancestry as a primate could be, says Erik Seiffert of Stony Brook University in New York.  (full story)

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« Reply #94 on: October 22, 2009, 06:27:11 AM »

NEW YORK - Remember Ida, the fossil discovery announced last May with its own book and TV documentary? A publicity blitz called it "the link" that would reveal the earliest evolutionary roots of monkeys, apes and humans.

Experts protested that Ida wasn't even a close relative. And now a new analysis supports their reaction.

In fact, Ida is as far removed from the monkey-ape-human ancestry as a primate could be, says Erik Seiffert of Stony Brook University in New York.  (full story)




This is a wonderful aspect of scientific discovery, it is self correcting. 
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« Reply #95 on: October 24, 2009, 10:46:42 AM »

NEW YORK - Remember Ida, the fossil discovery announced last May with its own book and TV documentary? A publicity blitz called it "the link" that would reveal the earliest evolutionary roots of monkeys, apes and humans.

Experts protested that Ida wasn't even a close relative. And now a new analysis supports their reaction.

In fact, Ida is as far removed from the monkey-ape-human ancestry as a primate could be, says Erik Seiffert of Stony Brook University in New York.  (full story)



Yep, nothin' new under the sun!   Alert
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« Reply #96 on: October 24, 2009, 06:00:23 PM »

A perfect example of the scientific method.

When the evidence contradicts a theory it is discarded.

When there is conflicting evidence there is “scientific discussion”.



From  http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33416595/ns/technology_and_science-science/?gt1=43001

updated 1:52 p.m. ET, Wed., Oct . 21, 2009
NEW YORK - Remember Ida, the fossil discovery announced last May with its own book and TV documentary? A publicity blitz called it "the link" that would reveal the earliest evolutionary roots of monkeys, apes and humans.
Experts protested that Ida wasn't even a close relative. And now a new analysis supports their reaction.
In fact, Ida is as far removed from the monkey-ape-human ancestry as a primate could be, says Erik Seiffert of Stony Brook University in New York.
He and his colleagues compared 360 specific anatomical features of 117 living and extinct primate species to draw up a family tree. They report the results in Thursday's issue of the journal Nature.
Ida is a skeleton of a 47 million-year-old cat-sized creature found in Germany. It starred in a book, "The Link: Uncovering Our Earliest Ancestor."
Ida represents a previously unknown primate species called Darwinius. The scientists who formally announced the finding said they weren't claiming Darwinius was a direct ancestor of monkeys, apes and humans. But they did argue that it belongs in the same major evolutionary grouping, and that it showed what an actual ancestor of that era might have looked like.
The new analysis says Darwinius does not belong in the same primate category as monkeys, apes and humans. Instead, the analysis concluded, it falls into the other major grouping, which includes lemurs.
Experts agreed.
"This is a rigorous analysis based on many features," said Eric Sargis, an anthropology professor at Yale. He said he'd found the argument of the Darwinius researchers unconvincing, so the new result came as no surprise.
In fact, it confirms what most scientists think, said David Begun, a paleoanthropologist at the University of Toronto.
Jorn Hurum of the Natural History Museum in Oslo, Norway, an author of the Ida paper, said he welcomed the new analysis
Darwinius is an example of a group of primates called adapoids, and "we are happy to start the scientific discussion" about what Ida means for where adapoids fit on the primate family tree, he wrote in an e-mail.
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« Reply #97 on: October 30, 2009, 06:16:42 PM »

There was no conflicting evidence.  People were after publicity and got caught.

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« Reply #98 on: November 01, 2009, 03:55:57 PM »




     If evolution exists GOD created it.
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« Reply #99 on: November 01, 2009, 04:49:47 PM »




     If evolution exists GOD created it.


Evolution is not a thing.

God might have started the process and helped it along but he did not "create" it.
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« Reply #100 on: November 02, 2009, 09:45:00 AM »




     If evolution exists GOD created it.


Evolution is not a thing.

God might have started the process and helped it along but he did not "create" it.

He certainly created all of the natural laws that control evolution if it exists.
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« Reply #101 on: November 20, 2009, 09:38:57 AM »

I hate to break this news to ya but Lucy was a fake, hoax. They found a jaw bone which later was identified as some animal and another I think leg bone which turned out to be something else also. This happened years ago and I'm not sure why more people didn't know this but if you'd like I'll dig out the stories. It was admitted to by the people that found the bones and did one of those mock skeletons. Sorry but it's true, check it out .  
Based on DNA analysis, the missing link, is still missing.  
 Many of those skeletons contain very little of actual fossilized bones but are conceptualized by the artist and anthropologist.
If you make me prove it, you have to promise to say your sorry.
[ And shine my shoes]


I'm not an expert in the Lucy fossil and to be quite candid I have no idea if she was a "fake".  Even if what you say is true, even if it was deliberate, what does that have to do with the theory of evolution?

If you claim this damages the validity of the theory, then all those Christians TV preachers/healers who turned out to be fakes invalidate Christianity. 
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« Reply #102 on: November 20, 2009, 12:36:21 PM »

There are embarrassing things on all sides.
As far as the debate between theories , what at times seems to be chaotic in nature turns out to be so precise on the microscopic level. DNA looks exactly like a blueprint. It looks to be designed. It is impossible for me to see a miracle of chance for living systems.

I found your terminology, "miracle of chance for living systems"  and interesting dicotomy.  Miracles by definition is spiritual in nature and not within the realm of the physical.  But that aside, nothing about chance or the theory of evolution goes against God.  Personally, I do not believe that life began as some chance happening, but even that could well be within God's creative process.
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« Reply #103 on: November 21, 2009, 08:19:31 AM »

I hate to break this news to ya but Lucy was a fake, hoax. They found a jaw bone which later was identified as some animal and another I think leg bone which turned out to be something else also. This happened years ago and I'm not sure why more people didn't know this but if you'd like I'll dig out the stories. It was admitted to by the people that found the bones and did one of those mock skeletons. Sorry but it's true, check it out .  
Based on DNA analysis, the missing link, is still missing.  
 Many of those skeletons contain very little of actual fossilized bones but are conceptualized by the artist and anthropologist.
If you make me prove it, you have to promise to say your sorry.
[ And shine my shoes]


I'm not an expert in the Lucy fossil and to be quite candid I have no idea if she was a "fake".  Even if what you say is true, even if it was deliberate, what does that have to do with the theory of evolution?

If you claim this damages the validity of the theory, then all those Christians TV preachers/healers who turned out to be fakes invalidate Christianity. 

so by comparing Christianity and evolution side by side, you admit that the theory of evolution is a religion and requires faith?  No worries

In Christ,
KP
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« Reply #104 on: November 21, 2009, 10:21:48 AM »

I hate to break this news to ya but Lucy was a fake, hoax. They found a jaw bone which later was identified as some animal and another I think leg bone which turned out to be something else also. This happened years ago and I'm not sure why more people didn't know this but if you'd like I'll dig out the stories. It was admitted to by the people that found the bones and did one of those mock skeletons. Sorry but it's true, check it out .  
Based on DNA analysis, the missing link, is still missing.  
 Many of those skeletons contain very little of actual fossilized bones but are conceptualized by the artist and anthropologist.
If you make me prove it, you have to promise to say your sorry.
[ And shine my shoes]


I'm not an expert in the Lucy fossil and to be quite candid I have no idea if she was a "fake".  Even if what you say is true, even if it was deliberate, what does that have to do with the theory of evolution?

If you claim this damages the validity of the theory, then all those Christians TV preachers/healers who turned out to be fakes invalidate Christianity. 

so by comparing Christianity and evolution side by side, you admit that the theory of evolution is a religion and requires faith?  No worries

In Christ,
KP

So by comparing evolution and Christianity side by side, you think that Christianity is just a theory made up by some nut job?  No worries

Interesting!!
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