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Apologetics vs Honor
« on: Thu Jun 17, 2021 - 10:45:26 »
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It's very difficult to find a Christian with integrity, viz: one that can give you a direct answer to a direct question about their beliefs and practices.

When a rational skeptic points out that some of God's actions are not only unreasonable, but also downright evil, selfish, and sadistic; the average Christian typically circles the wagons, i.e. they become defensive. Instead of forthrightly agreeing that the critical thinker's appraisals make sense; the defensive Christian waxes eloquent with a bombastic discourse, deftly concealing the unspeakable truth that they too have sometimes entertained the very same opinions.

I sincerely believe God appreciates honesty and totally despises deceit. So; if perchance the day comes when God asks each of us point blank:

Was there ever a time when you felt that some of my actions were unreasonable, unfair, inhumane, selfish, cruel, and/or the work of a mad man?

Or:

Was there ever at time when you wished I didn't exist?

The answers coming out of our mouths better not be what we think He wants to hear, or some scripted response learned in church, rather; exactly what He knows already, i.e. it had better not be equivocation, sophistry, or tiresome rhetoric, no, it had better be a crisp Yes or a No; and it had better be honest.
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Re: Apologetics vs Honor
« Reply #1 on: Thu Jun 17, 2021 - 13:34:25 »
When a rational skeptic points out that some of God's actions are not only unreasonable, but also downright evil, selfish, and sadistic; the average Christian typically circles the wagons, i.e. they become defensive. Instead of forthrightly agreeing that the critical thinker's appraisals make sense
When a rational skeptic points out that some of God's actions are not only unreasonable, but also downright evil, selfish, and sadistic, rational Christian's answer should be that the rational skeptic doesn't know what he is talking about.  And he should probably leave it at that because it is not at all probable that the skeptic, who thinks he is rational, will be convinced that any answer the Christian could give would be rational.
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Re: Apologetics vs Honor
« Reply #2 on: Thu Jun 17, 2021 - 16:36:40 »
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There are occasions when I prefer to sympathize with skeptics rather than argue with them seeing as how I and they have many opinions in common; for example:

GOD'S QUESTION: Should I have stepped in to prevent the Serpent from tempting Eve?

MY RESPONSE: Yes.

GOD'S QUESTION: Was there ever a time when you resented My control over your life?

MY RESPONSE: Yes.

GOD'S QUESTION: Are you dissatisfied with Hades and/or the Lake Of Fire?

MY RESPONSE: Yes; both.

GOD'S QUESTION: Was there ever a time when you felt that some of My actions were unreasonable, unfair, inhumane, selfish, cruel, and/or the work of a mad man?

MY RESPONSE: Yes.

GOD'S QUESTION: Was there ever a time when you wished I didn't exist?

MY RESPONSE: Yes.

The Bible urges Christ's followers to come before the throne of grace with boldness. (Heb 4:15-16). The Greek word for boldness is parrhesia (par-rhay-see' ah) which means all out-spokenness, i.e. frankness, bluntness, and/or candor.

For many years I suppressed my deepest thoughts and feelings about God, and about Jesus too, because those thoughts and feelings were just too unholy to out. Thus I kept a certain amount of my innermost being secret from God. Well; in time I came to a realization that keeping secrets from God is not only stressful, but also quite futile.

Transparency is a popular buzz word that roughly means free from pretense or deceit. When I see a Christian go ballistic with an apologetic, I know they're hiding something, and terrified that somebody will come along and figure it out.
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Re: Apologetics vs Honor
« Reply #3 on: Thu Jun 17, 2021 - 16:58:13 »
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There are occasions when I prefer to sympathize with skeptics rather than argue with them seeing as how I and they have many opinions in common; for example:

GOD'S QUESTION: Should I have stepped in to prevent the Serpent from tempting Eve?

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Clearly you do not even understand God's purpose in creating the physical universe in the first place.  So neither your questions nor your answers are rational.

And I will just leave it there and someone else can entertain the rest of your irrational questions and answers.

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Re: Apologetics vs Honor
« Reply #4 on: Thu Jun 17, 2021 - 19:06:16 »
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Clearly you do not even understand God's purpose in creating the physical universe in the first place.  So neither your questions nor your answers are rational. And I will just leave it there and someone else can entertain the rest of your irrational questions and answers.

I didn't set this thread up for posting apologetics, rather, for discussing apologetics; especially relative to honesty.

So instead of attacking my honest responses to God's questions, how about you sharing your own honest responses, i.e. what you would honestly say to God were He to ask you the questions that I listed in Reply No.2

Don't be afraid to be transparent. God respects the truth, and despises deceit.
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Re: Apologetics vs Honor
« Reply #5 on: Fri Jun 18, 2021 - 18:12:54 »
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FAQ: Why would God ask any of these questions?

A: There are many things that God knows about people that He doesn't have to ask. However, there are times when knowing alone doesn't satisfy Him.

For example: God already knew in advance whether Abraham would go thru with sacrificing his son Isaac. But knowing is different than actually watching a current event in real time, as an on-scene eye witness.

In other words: what God knows in His head is very different than what He's seen for himself. Same thing applies to Sodom and Gomorrah, It wasn't necessary for God to come down out of Heaven and visit the city for Himself to know that it was a deplorable community, but He did anyway because He wanted to see for Himself up close and personal as an eye witness. Same goes for the Tower of Babel.

And Christ most likely knew in advance Peter's innermost thoughts when asked how he felt about Jesus (John 21:15-17). But the Lord wasn't satisfied till Peter came out with his feelings one on one, face to face, man to man.

Speaking for myself: I look forward to a sit down with God with about as much pleasure as I look forward to a root canal; and like a root canal; I will be very glad when it's over because I suspect that the grilling we're all facing won't be pleasant.

There are many questions in life that we can brush off as too personal; but God can't be brushed off. If we try, He will only dig in His heels and force the issue till we finally break.
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