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Benefits Of Paying Tithes
« on: Fri Sep 23, 2011 - 14:27:30 »

Today we are going to see the Benefits of Paying your Tithes. Let us start this topic this way.

1. What is Tithe? Tithe is a biblical word for the giving to the church or charity organizations the one out of the Ten or your salary, profits, or property that God blessed you with. We can see it in the book of Malachi 3:8-11.

2. The second question is, Why should you pay Tithe? The reasons why you should pay your Tithe are:
    A. It is commandment  by God to the Children of Israel in the book of Levi 27:30-32; It reads:
''And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD'S: it is holy unto the LORD.'' (KJV)

Paying of Tithe is never an option but a commandment from God to all. Your tithe belongs to God according to the scripture we just read in Leviticus 27:30. It is true that you worked for the money but bear in mind today that God is demanding that you should give His portion of the blessing which is the Tithe.
If you look at the whole story God is not even demanding too much from you He just said that you should give one of the Tenth and live on with the rest of  the money or proceeds. So if you  have not been paying your tithes start today to do so.
 
 B.The second reason why you must pay Tithe is because it was practiced by the people of old. Let see one example from the Bible.Let us see Father Abraham. The book of Genesis 14:18-20 says:
 v18: ''And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.'' (KJV)
 v 20: ''And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.'' (KJV)


The scripture we just read tells us about Abraham paying Tithe to a high priest Melchizedek the priest of Salem. Abraham paid him Tithes of his substances. So Tithes is a commandment.Therefore the saints of old practiced it.So you too should be ready to practice paying of your tithes from today.
During the time that Abraham paid Tithe, the law had not been given.So those who said Tithes are for the old Testament should note that Abraham paid Tithe before the giving of the law to Moses in Leviticus.

Now having seen Why we must pay our Tithes, let us see:
3. How Tithes should be paid.
   A. When paying of Tithes ensure that you pay the complete Tithe. Don't be like those who pay their Tithes after they must have removed their expenses for the month, then the remaining money they remove one tenth and pay their Tithe. That is not Tithe. Doing so is not paying of Tithe but you have just given an offering. Offering has no conditions attached to it like Tithe. In offering you pay any amount you choose to pay. But in Tithe it is the one tenth of your profit or salary.And you must remove your Tithe first before spending the money for your needs.
 
4. Where To Pay Your Tithe. I hope your are following the lesson? We have seen How to Pay our Tithes Now let us see where the Tithes should be paid. The Tithe should be paid to the house of God. The local church where you worship is the right place to pay your Tithe. Look at Abra
ham , He paid his tithe to Melchizedek the priest of Salem. In other words Melchizedek is a type of Christ the High priest of our salvation. If Abraham recognized the office of Melchizedek to pay his Tithe to him you and I should recognize the pastor of our local church who is just a steward in the house of God to pay our Tithe to Him too. When I mean pay your Tithe to him I mean pay it to the church where your local Church  pastor is .
All Tithes should be paid to the church. And who eats it is not our focus of discussion.

5. The consequences of Not Paying Tithes. At this point we shall be looking at the consequences of not paying Tithes. What we mean is the punishment that comes for not paying Tithes.
   A.The first consequence is that you are a Thief in the sight of God. In the book of Malachi 3:8-9
v8: ''Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.'' (KJV)

v 9: ''Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.'' (KJV)

Have you seen it in the two verses just quoted in the book of Malachi. It says that those who are not paying their Tithes are spiritual Robbers. It means that you are not different from physical thieves that our Government is looking for a way to eliminate out our country. In that case God is also not happy with you. That takes us to the second consequence:
  B. You are cursed by God.

v 9: ''Ye are cursed with a curse, '' When a man is under a curse he cannot know any blessing in his life. He will  be struggling when others are succeeding. Poverty will be written all over his life. To such a person his problem is not capital or lack of job opportunity. Even if you find him the best job or give him  millions of Naira to start a business because he is under a curse he cannot prosper.
So the alternative is to start paying your tithe so that you will be ushered to the next and final point in the lesson which is:

6. The Blessings of Paying of Tithe. In conclusion to our Topic: The Benefits of Paying Of Tithes.

  A. The windows of Heaven will be opened to you.

v10: ''Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.''  (KJV)


God promised to pour His blessing to you, by opening the windows of Heaven. When your heaven remains open you will struggle less. little effort will yield bountiful harvest.  Opportunities will be staring at you even you are not there the opportunity will still be waiting for you.

My humble advice is that for you to still enjoy God's  blessing at the remaining months of this year try God and pay your Tithes; you will discover that God does not tell lies, your life and business will have a drastic turn around.

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Re: Benefits Of Paying Tithes
« Reply #1 on: Fri Sep 23, 2011 - 18:33:06 »
How do you explain that to a single mum I know who paid her tithes, and ended up more in debt that she was before she started?(Through no fault of her own)?
Aso by the way Jesus became a curse for us so we are no longer cursed.

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« Reply #2 on: Fri Sep 23, 2011 - 20:27:42 »
 The essence of tithe is for blessings. So if one pays tithe and is in debt 3 things are likely to be responsible:

1. May be the Tithe was not accurate. The person didn't pay the actual amount required to pay.

2. living is sin:If one pays Tithes and goes on to live in sin or disobedience, such a person will not be blessed by God. One thing you have to understand about God is that '' God honors his word more that our activities. God does not hear the prayer of a sinner. Isaiah 59:1-3

3. The rewards of Tithe are multiple:The last cause of paying Tithe and  not receiving financial  benefits is that God rewards our giving with many things. God does not only reward our giving or paying of our tithes with financial blessing alone. Good health, divine protection , helping us overcome Satan and the rest are also rewards of Tithes.

Finally God cannot be bribed by our Tithes or offerings. Therefore if you are not yet born again that can also be a great hindrance to the blessings of Tithes.

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« Reply #3 on: Sat Sep 24, 2011 - 13:05:05 »
Scope:  This Bible study is not to convince people that we should be giving to God.  We should give our money, our time, our talents and resources to God and that is not up-to-debate, we should do that.  The goal of this Bible study is to show that the law of tithing passed away (along with the Temple ordinances), and that it has no bearing in the Christian Church today.  The goal is to show that we are not required to give 10% of our salaries to God or else we fall into a curse.  The goal is to show that those that do not give 10% of their salaries to the church are not robbing God of anything. That is the goal of this Bible study.  

Background:  How the Law of Tithing Law Began

It all started in Genesis 34:2 when Shechem defiled the daughter of Jacob (Dinah) and two of her brothers got very angry (Gen 34:7).  The two brothers (Simeon and Levi) murdered all the males in the town of Shechem (Gen 34:25).  Jacob told his sons that what they did was wrong but they did not repent (Gen 34:30-31).  In Gen 49:5-7 Jacob cursed these two men (Simeon and Levi) and their descendants, scattering them throughout the land of Israel.  This came to pass when Israel took over the promised-land and the land was divided among the tribes of Israel.  As prophesied, every one of the sons of Jacob had land appointed to them except Simeon and Levi.  In Jos 19:1-9 we read that the tribe of Simeon was scattered within Judah’s territory.   In Deu 10:9, Deu 18:1-2 and  Josh 13:14,33 we see that there was no land given to the Levites (the descendants of Levi) and because of that, God commanded the other brothers to provide the Levites with part of their products from the land (since the Levites had no land to grow crops or raise cattle).  The Lord told them to give a tenth of the agricultural products OF THE LAND to the Levites and the poor and needy because the Levites (and the poor) had no land as an inheritance.  The Lord referred to this arrangement as:

a.   The tithe of the land (Lev 27:30)
b.   The tithe of the ground (Neh 10:37)
c.   The tithe of the field (Deu 14:22; 2Chr 31:4-6; Neh 12:44)

It was never referred to as the tithe of the ocean or the sea.  It was never referred to as the tithe of the furniture manufactured in Israel or the tithe of the building materials.  The tithe had to be agricultural products that had to be eaten.  Nothing is said about forbidding the Levites from fishing or not having bodies of water.  As such, Israel did not have to give the Levites 10% of their fish.  That is how the tithe got started.  It was all about agricultural products that had to be eaten (produce and clean animals from the herds raised in the land of Israel). The reason is because the Levites could not own land to grow crops or raise cattle.  

The Law of Tithing (as given to Moses)

1.   Only land owners (farmers) that were growing crops or raising cattle had to tithe.  People that did not own land could not tithe.  The only thing acceptable as a tithing offering were agricultural products like corn, wine, strong drinks, oil, tithe of the herd or of the flock like lambs, sheep, goats, etc.. (see Deu 14:23,26; 2Chr 31:6; Neh 10:37;  Neh 13:5,12).  The poor people that did not own any land could not tithe.  When Peter caught 153 fishes (John 21:11), he owed nothing as tithe offering because it is the tithe of the land, not the sea.
The Lord referred to this arrangement as:

d.   The tithe of the land (Lev 27:30)
e.   The tithe of the ground (Neh 10:37)
f.   The tithe of the field (Deu 14:22; 2Chr 31:4-6; Neh 12:44)

2.   Carpenters were not required to tithe 10% of their income.  According to the law of Moses, money was not accepted by God as a tithe offering.
3.   The Israelites had to give 10 % of their land products to the Levites because they did not have land as an inheritance.  They had the Lord as their inheritance.  
4.   Tithing was also given to the poor and needy (widows, orphans, newcomers to the land).  Tithing was part of God’s welfare program. (Deu 12:29; Deu 14:28-29; Deu 26:12-13).  The poor did not give tithe, the poor received the tithe (Deu 14:28-29; Deu 26:12-13).  To ask the poor to tithe is exactly the opposite of what God established in His Word.
5.   The tithing for the poor had to be placed at the entrance of the cities in Israel where the Levites and the poor will come to collect it (Deu 14:28-29).  The Levites will then bring the tithes to the Temple in Jerusalem.
6.   The tithing offering for the Levite was only acceptable by God when it was presented to the Levites in the Temple of God in Jerusalem (Deu 12:5-6,11,18; Deu 14:23).   God repeated that every time he mentioned the law of tithing.
7.   God gave warnings to the people of not changing the law of tithing based on human reasoning, not to change it into something that made sense or was right in the eyes of the people, not to add or subtract from it, but to teach it exactly the way the commanded it (Dec 12:8,32).
8.   If the Jews lived too far from Jerusalem, they were allowed to turn their agricultural products (their tithe) into money (to eliminate traveling with produce and animals).  But once they arrived at Jerusalem, they had to turn the money into agricultural products before bringing the offering to God because God did not accept money as a tithing offering.  The reason was so that the tithing offering could be eaten before the Lord in his Temple. (Deu 14:24-26).
9.   Because they had to bring their tithes to the Temple in Jerusalem, God did not make it a burden to those living far away from Jerusalem, to travel every week or every month to bring the tithe.  Instead, he told the Israelites that they had to bring their tithes once every 3 years. That year was called the year of tithing (see Deu 14:28; Deu 26:12; Amos 4:4).
10.   If the people failed to bring in their tithes in the year of tithing, they were commanded by the law to bring them back the next year of tithing (3 years later) with 20 percent interest.  To be financially accurate, twenty percent interest every 3 years translates to 6.3 % interest per year or 0.12 % interest per week.  It is not 20% interest added the next Sunday after someone missed the offering. See Lev 27:31.
11.   The tithe or the 10th part of the agricultural products in Israel belonged to the Lord.  It really belonged to him because man put the seed on the ground, but it was the Lord that made it grow.  The Lord did most of the work.  That is why he considered it robbery not to give Him his part.  He had earned it.  The Lord in turn, gave what belonged to him to the Levite and the poor. (Lev 27:30; Num 18:24; Deu 26:12; Neh 13:5; Mal 3:8-10).    
12.   The tithe was defined as the tenth part (the last 10th, not the first 10th).  If a man had 39 sheep born in his farm, he owed 3 sheep as his tithes, not 4 (see Lev 27:32).  
13.   The Law of God required the Levites to give a tenth of the tithes that they received back unto the Lord. (Num 18:26).  This had to be the best of the tithe and the Levite had to give it to the priests that ministered in the Temple (for their consumption).
14.    People did not GIVE tithes to God, they PAID tithes to God because it belonged to God.  To not do it, was robbing God. Because the tithe did not belong to the people, they could not give it, they had to pay it.  We cannot give what does not belong to us.  In the NT we are called to GIVE 2Cor 9:7) because it really belongs to us (Acts 5:4).


Because the Temple is no longer in place in Jerusalem and there are no Levites running a priesthood anymore, the laws connected with the Levitical priesthood and the Temple are no longer in effect.  That is why the Jews do not kill a lamb during Passover, no one offers animals for sin offerings, there are no more animal sacrifices.  Those laws are gone with the Temple and the priesthood.  The law of tithing is part of that group.  Rom 4:15; Rom 5:13 and 1 Jo 3:4 say that where there is no law, there is no transgression, and sin cannot be inputted where there is no law.  Because of that, since the Temple was destroyed and the Levitical priesthood disappeared, no one is robbing God of anything when people fail to bring their tithes (their agricultural products to the Levites in the Temple).  

Furthermore, Colossians 2:14 and Eph 2:15 reiterate that Jesus removed those laws when he was nailed to the cross.

Col 2:14  Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Eph 2:15  Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments; for to make in himself of two one new man, so making peace.  

          The current law of tithing preached in today’s protestant churches (requiring that 10% of our gross salaries belong to God and that we are robbing him if we do not do that) is not in the Bible.  That is a commandment of man.  God said that our heart is far from God and our worship is in vain when we teach as doctrines commandments of men.  

P.S.  God is into cheerful GIVERS.  The tithe of the Old Testament had to be PAID, not given.  God is not into PAYERS, but GIVERS.  We can only GIVE what belongs to us.  Rom 4:4 and Acts 5:4 tells me, my salary belongs 100% to me and that is why I can GIVE IT AWAY as I please.

Peace
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« Reply #4 on: Sat Sep 24, 2011 - 17:15:08 »
The essence of tithe is for blessings. So if one pays tithe and is in debt 3 things are likely to be responsible:

1. May be the Tithe was not accurate. The person didn't pay the actual amount required to pay.

2. living is sin:If one pays Tithes and goes on to live in sin or disobedience, such a person will not be blessed by God. One thing you have to understand about God is that '' God honors his word more that our activities. God does not hear the prayer of a sinner. Isaiah 59:1-3

3. The rewards of Tithe are multiple:The last cause of paying Tithe and  not receiving financial  benefits is that God rewards our giving with many things. God does not only reward our giving or paying of our tithes with financial blessing alone. Good health, divine protection , helping us overcome Satan and the rest are also rewards of Tithes.

Finally God cannot be bribed by our Tithes or offerings. Therefore if you are not yet born again that can also be a great hindrance to the blessings of Tithes.
 

She was paying the right amount, she was living on very little money(with 3 children to support), she wasnt living a sinful lifestyle, and she was, and is, a strong believer. She struggled with serious debt and lack for many years, and tithing made no apparent difference.(except that she then had even less money and more debt).
People who are in debt should never ever be told to tithe, because the money isnt theirs to give, it belongs to whover they are in debt to (ie the bank or whatever). The first priority should always be to get out of debt, and then give out of any increase.(as the Bible tells us).

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« Reply #5 on: Sat Sep 24, 2011 - 20:41:12 »
Tithing has no place in the Christian Church.

Paul said:

Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.  2Cor.9:7

In truth the people that had crops and animals probably paid a lot more than a 10th, right there alone is a tenth on both those making that 20.
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« Reply #6 on: Sat Sep 24, 2011 - 21:37:31 »
The essence of tithe is for blessings. So if one pays tithe and is in debt 3 things are likely to be responsible:

1. May be the Tithe was not accurate. The person didn't pay the actual amount required to pay.

2. living is sin:If one pays Tithes and goes on to live in sin or disobedience, such a person will not be blessed by God. One thing you have to understand about God is that '' God honors his word more that our activities. God does not hear the prayer of a sinner. Isaiah 59:1-3

3. The rewards of Tithe are multiple:The last cause of paying Tithe and  not receiving financial  benefits is that God rewards our giving with many things. God does not only reward our giving or paying of our tithes with financial blessing alone. Good health, divine protection , helping us overcome Satan and the rest are also rewards of Tithes.

Finally God cannot be bribed by our Tithes or offerings. Therefore if you are not yet born again that can also be a great hindrance to the blessings of Tithes.
 

She was paying the right amount, she was living on very little money(with 3 children to support), she wasnt living a sinful lifestyle, and she was, and is, a strong believer. She struggled with serious debt and lack for many years, and tithing made no apparent difference.(except that she then had even less money and more debt).
People who are in debt should never ever be told to tithe, because the money isnt theirs to give, it belongs to whover they are in debt to (ie the bank or whatever). The first priority should always be to get out of debt, and then give out of any increase.(as the Bible tells us).

We began to tithe, and for the right reason---to give God what He rightly owns and to please Him---and within two years we were debt-free...one such benefit.

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« Reply #7 on: Sun Sep 25, 2011 - 04:07:32 »
The essence of tithe is for blessings. So if one pays tithe and is in debt 3 things are likely to be responsible:

1. May be the Tithe was not accurate. The person didn't pay the actual amount required to pay.

2. living is sin:If one pays Tithes and goes on to live in sin or disobedience, such a person will not be blessed by God. One thing you have to understand about God is that '' God honors his word more that our activities. God does not hear the prayer of a sinner. Isaiah 59:1-3

3. The rewards of Tithe are multiple:The last cause of paying Tithe and  not receiving financial  benefits is that God rewards our giving with many things. God does not only reward our giving or paying of our tithes with financial blessing alone. Good health, divine protection , helping us overcome Satan and the rest are also rewards of Tithes.

Finally God cannot be bribed by our Tithes or offerings. Therefore if you are not yet born again that can also be a great hindrance to the blessings of Tithes.
 

She was paying the right amount, she was living on very little money(with 3 children to support), she wasnt living a sinful lifestyle, and she was, and is, a strong believer. She struggled with serious debt and lack for many years, and tithing made no apparent difference.(except that she then had even less money and more debt).
People who are in debt should never ever be told to tithe, because the money isnt theirs to give, it belongs to whover they are in debt to (ie the bank or whatever). The first priority should always be to get out of debt, and then give out of any increase.(as the Bible tells us).

We began to tithe, and for the right reason---to give God what He rightly owns and to please Him---and within two years we were debt-free...one such benefit.


 I am glad that it worked for you but sadly that doesnt happen for everyone. A man in our church who is a great believer in tithing is very well off. He has a very large house, expensive cars and well paid job etc. He and his wife have never been poor or had to struggle, so they have no comprehension of what that is like. He seems to think that this is because they tithe, but many more in the church tithe and many of them are not in his financial position, and some are struggling. I dont understand this, if tithing is supposed to bring financial blessing, then it should be the same for all and not just some.

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« Reply #8 on: Sun Sep 25, 2011 - 12:09:35 »
We began to tithe, and for the right reason---to give God what He rightly owns and to please Him---and within two years we were debt-free...one such benefit.

I have never tithed but have always been a giver to those I know who are in need.  God blessed me with enough to retire at age 50, less than two years after I became born again, and I also have no debts.  No house mortgage.  No car payment.

Malachi 3:7 (KJV)  “Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ORDINANCES, and have not kept them. Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the LORD of hosts. But ye said, Wherein shall we return?

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« Reply #9 on: Sun Sep 25, 2011 - 12:42:25 »
The priests did tithe!

God gave a tithe to the Levites for their work in the tabernacle and as an inheritance.From the tithes they received, they were also to pay tithes.

Because Aaron and his family were also Levites, they, too, would have been expected to tithe:

Numbers 18:25-30

What the Levites Must Give
 25The LORD told Moses 26to say to the Levites:

   When you receive from the people of Israel ten percent of their crops and newborn animals, you must offer a tenth of that to me. 27Just as the Israelites give me part of their grain and wine, you must set aside part of what you receive 28as an offering to me. That amount must then be given to Aaron, 29so the best of what you receive will be mine.

    30After you have dedicated the best parts to me, you can eat the rest, just as the Israelites eat part of their grain and wine after offering them to me.

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« Reply #10 on: Sun Sep 25, 2011 - 12:48:15 »
The essence of tithe is for blessings. So if one pays tithe and is in debt 3 things are likely to be responsible:

1. May be the Tithe was not accurate. The person didn't pay the actual amount required to pay.

2. living is sin:If one pays Tithes and goes on to live in sin or disobedience, such a person will not be blessed by God. One thing you have to understand about God is that '' God honors his word more that our activities. God does not hear the prayer of a sinner. Isaiah 59:1-3

3. The rewards of Tithe are multiple:The last cause of paying Tithe and  not receiving financial  benefits is that God rewards our giving with many things. God does not only reward our giving or paying of our tithes with financial blessing alone. Good health, divine protection , helping us overcome Satan and the rest are also rewards of Tithes.

Finally God cannot be bribed by our Tithes or offerings. Therefore if you are not yet born again that can also be a great hindrance to the blessings of Tithes.
 

She was paying the right amount, she was living on very little money(with 3 children to support), she wasnt living a sinful lifestyle, and she was, and is, a strong believer. She struggled with serious debt and lack for many years, and tithing made no apparent difference.(except that she then had even less money and more debt).
People who are in debt should never ever be told to tithe, because the money isnt theirs to give, it belongs to whover they are in debt to (ie the bank or whatever). The first priority should always be to get out of debt, and then give out of any increase.(as the Bible tells us).

We began to tithe, and for the right reason---to give God what He rightly owns and to please Him---and within two years we were debt-free...one such benefit.


 I am glad that it worked for you but sadly that doesnt happen for everyone. A man in our church who is a great believer in tithing is very well off. He has a very large house, expensive cars and well paid job etc. He and his wife have never been poor or had to struggle, so they have no comprehension of what that is like. He seems to think that this is because they tithe, but many more in the church tithe and many of them are not in his financial position, and some are struggling. I dont understand this, if tithing is supposed to bring financial blessing, then it should be the same for all and not just some.


When we tithe we are revealing to Him a heart that relies solely on Him for all things. It is called trust. Perhaps that man who is financially prospering is revelling in his own abilities to support himself. Perhaps the Lord is blessing Him in other areas, such as relationships, or spiritually. Who are we to assess others' blessings?

It isn't the same for all. We still struggle now that my husband is retired and on a pension, and we still tithe even though we are in the hole every month, but the Lord is our provider, and everything miraculously gets taken care of. There are other blessings in our lives that we can attribute to our full reliance on God as our provider.

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« Reply #11 on: Sun Sep 25, 2011 - 13:15:16 »
The priests did tithe!

God gave a tithe to the Levites for their work in the tabernacle and as an inheritance.From the tithes they received, they were also to pay tithes.

Because Aaron and his family were also Levites, they, too, would have been expected to tithe:

The priests did NOT tithe.

Once God designated Aaron and his sons to be priests, they are no longer referred to as Levites in the scriptures.  The priests were to receive a tenth of the tithe from the Levites and from that give a heave offering to the Lord. 

Otherwise, the priests would be tithing to the priests, or to themselves.

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« Reply #12 on: Sun Sep 25, 2011 - 14:02:25 »
garyarnold. that is my heart also, to give to those in need and not to the church. That is what I feel God leads me to do. I believe that many believers who tithe to the church, and many churches also, fail people in their own church family who are in desperate need. What does God prefer, a new church building and expensive new sound systems? Or that those in our own family are provided for and looked after? I was in the position to desperately need help for 6 years and got none.  This is why I am aware that there are those who we should be helping financially before we give to things that aren't really needed. It has shown me the desperate failings of the church today, in that they disobey the calling to provide for the needy in their own family, (let alone the needy around them who arent believers),as the early church did. People think that all they need to do is tithe to the church, and that is all, and ignore the desperate needs around them.
I want to give to where there there are real needs.

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« Reply #13 on: Sun Sep 25, 2011 - 14:06:42 »
The priests did tithe!

God gave a tithe to the Levites for their work in the tabernacle and as an inheritance.From the tithes they received, they were also to pay tithes.

Because Aaron and his family were also Levites, they, too, would have been expected to tithe:

The priests did NOT tithe.

Once God designated Aaron and his sons to be priests, they are no longer referred to as Levites in the scriptures.  The priests were to receive a tenth of the tithe from the Levites and from that give a heave offering to the Lord. 

Otherwise, the priests would be tithing to the priests, or to themselves.

Very interesting gary! I looked up some OT references and it always desiginates between the priests and the Levites.

Ungers Bible Dic. says Levite is: A patronymic title that, besides denoting all the descendants of Levi, is also the distincitve title of that portion of the tribe that was set apart for the service of the sanctuary and subordinate to the priests.

I have always just lumped them together.

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« Reply #14 on: Sun Sep 25, 2011 - 14:26:16 »
What we give to is at our own discretion, and the Lord's leading, but what we tithe to is not at our own discretion, for it is the Lord's. We have no right to designate our tithe to anything other than Him.
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« Reply #15 on: Sun Sep 25, 2011 - 14:33:56 »
Numbers 18:25-30

 25 Then the Lord said to Moses, 26 “Say to the Levites, ‘When you take from the people of Israel the tenth which I have given you from them for your share, then give a gift from it to the Lord. Give one-tenth part of the tenth. 27 And your gift will be to you as if it were the grain from the grain-floor or all the wine from the crushed grapes. 28 So you must give a gift to the Lord from the tenth of what you receive from the people of Israel. And from it you must give the Lord’s gift to Aaron the religious leader. 29 Out of all the gifts to you, you must give every gift that should go to the Lord, from all the best of them. Give the holy part from them.’

 30 “And say to them, ‘When you have given the best part of it, the rest of it will be to you as if it were the grain from the grain-floor and the wine from the crushed grapes.

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« Reply #16 on: Sun Sep 25, 2011 - 14:37:54 »
What we give to is at our own discretion, and the Lord's leading, but what we tithe to is not at our own discretion, for it is the Lord's. We have no right to designate our tithe to anything other than to Him.

And you have no right to change God's definition of His tithe.  God designated what He was claiming to remain His - a tenth of the crops and animals as He so designated in Leviticus 27:30-33.  That is why Jesus didn't tithe on His income as a carpenter.  That is why Paul didn't tithe on his income as a tent maker.  That is why Peter didn't tithe a tenth of the fish he caught.  

You tithers take God's Word and CHANGE IT to fit what YOU want it to say.  It's all about YOU.

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« Reply #17 on: Sun Sep 25, 2011 - 14:39:03 »
What we give to is at our own discretion, and the Lord's leading, but what we tithe to is not at our own discretion, for it is the Lord's. We have no right to designate our tithe to anything other than to Him.

And you have no right to change God's definition of His tithe.  God designated what He was claiming to remain His - a tenth of the crops and animals as He so designated in Leviticus 27:30-33.  That is why Jesus didn't tithe on His income as a carpenter.  That is why Paul didn't tithe on his income as a tent maker.  That is why Peter didn't tithe a tenth of the fish he caught.  

You tithers take God's Word and CHANGE IT to fit what YOU want it to say.  It's all about YOU.

Tight-fisted Christians are the ones who are doing all the changing. It's all about the love of money, and imperfect trust in the God who provides, Jehovah Jireh.

I don't trust those who make it their life's work to only teach about this topic and to only POST about this topic. Well-rounded lives is what God desires.

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« Reply #18 on: Sun Sep 25, 2011 - 14:43:35 »

Tight-fisted Christians are the ones who are doing all the changing. It's all about the love of money.

I give scripture to back up what I say.

Being Spirit led, I find myself giving much more than a measly tenth of my income.

Pastors who teach tithing lack faith that God will provide for His church.  Why do pastors rely on man rather than God?  Those pastors are the ones who appear to have a love for money.

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« Reply #19 on: Sun Sep 25, 2011 - 14:48:07 »
Most pastors who teach tithing are hypocrites.  They tell you to put your faith in God that God will provide your needs, but they can't seem to put their faith in God that God will provide for the needs of His Church.

The proof is in the many churches where tithing is not taught.  Those pastors never have to beg for money.  They preach the gospel correctly and turn the finances over to God, and God puts it in the hearts of many to give generously.  A good example is a mega church in Southern California where John MacArthur is pastor.

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« Reply #20 on: Sun Sep 25, 2011 - 15:55:42 »
I know that God will direct us where to give our money if we are open to him. All that we give is to God. We cant say that what we give to the church is to God, and to give to other things isn't. Its all to God. Giving to one of his children who are in need, or to a worthwhile ministry, is all giving to God. I believe that giving is a great thing to do, and giving a tenth is a good principle, but we don't religiously give a percentage to the church, but give to where we feel led to give whether that is the church or somewhere else, it varies each time. Many churches are not wise with their money either and we do need to give where we feel the greatest need is.
The church today is so far removed from what it was. In the early church great emphasis was placed on selling what they owned and sharing the money around. Today you have churches like ours with some very wealthy people such as doctors and airline pilots, and others who struggle and live in lack most of the time. Where is the sharing there? Is that what God wants?
My husband and his ex wife religiously gave 10% of their income to their church, but they werent blessed. He was made redundant 3 times, took ages to find work, sometimes did jobs that he hated, lived with little money, had a large mortgage, and never seemed to get out of that cycle.
 We do tithe because we feel it is a good thing to do, but give as we feel led to. Sometimes we give to the church and sometimes to other needs that we are aware of. We are not rich but have no debt, no mortgage, and God always provides for us.Its strange that he seems to be blessing us more then He did them when they gave all to the church and we dont.

Giving is the main thing here, and giving with the right attitude and not because we 'have' to, and not giving to where we are 'supposed' to, but giving as and when we are led to.Gving more than 10% is also good, but many who tithe wont do this, but stick to that exact figure.
Thats just what I have learnt over the years of  listening to teaching for and against this teaching. Pastors need to trust God to provide, instead of pressuring people to do things that they dont feel led to do.My pastor teaches tithing to the church (Of course he would being the pastor)but we all need to do what God tells us.

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« Reply #21 on: Sun Sep 25, 2011 - 16:39:33 »
My pastor teaches tithing to the church (Of course he would being the pastor)but we all need to do what God tells us.

Of course he would????  Not if he were sticking to the scriptures AND is honest.

I refuse to attend any church services where the pastor teaches tithing for Christians.  I don't want to associate myself with a false teacher.  And if the pastor uses Malachi 3 as a reason for tithing today, then he is trying to put his congregation under the law instead of under grace.  Have these pastors not read Galatians 3:13 “Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us…

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« Reply #22 on: Sun Sep 25, 2011 - 16:47:31 »

Tight-fisted Christians are the ones who are doing all the changing. It's all about the love of money.

I give scripture to back up what I say.

Being Spirit led, I find myself giving much more than a measly tenth of my income.

Pastors who teach tithing lack faith that God will provide for His church.  Why do pastors rely on man rather than God?  Those pastors are the ones who appear to have a love for money.

Snubbing a tenth which is God's by calling it measly is blasphemous, not to mention prideful. Denigrating the people God places as shepherds over His flock is rebellion.

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« Reply #23 on: Sun Sep 25, 2011 - 16:51:20 »
Snubbing a tenth which is God's by calling it measly is blasphemous, not to mention prideful. Denigrating the people God places as shepherds over His flock is rebellion.

Give scripture, not just your words, where God ever called a tenth of anyone's income to be His.  Have you bothered to read what the scriptures say about pastors?  God said that pastors would lead the flock away from Him instead of to Him.

You seem to have very little knowledge of this topic other than what someone has told you.

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« Reply #24 on: Sun Sep 25, 2011 - 16:52:48 »
My pastor teaches tithing to the church (Of course he would being the pastor)but we all need to do what God tells us.

Of course he would????  Not if he were sticking to the scriptures AND is honest.

I refuse to attend any church services where the pastor teaches tithing for Christians.  

By all means, frequent churches that do not follow the word. There are many to choose from.

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I happen to personally know more than one dishonest pastor, ones who know very well that tithing is not for Christians but teach it anyway IN ORDER TO BRING IN MORE MONEY.

Perhaps travel in better circles.

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« Reply #25 on: Sun Sep 25, 2011 - 16:56:32 »
Snubbing a tenth which is God's by calling it measly is blasphemous, not to mention prideful. Denigrating the people God places as shepherds over His flock is rebellion.

Give scripture, not just your words, where God ever called a tenth of anyone's income to be His.  Have you bothered to read what the scriptures say about pastors?  God said that pastors would lead the flock away from Him instead of to Him.

You seem to have very little knowledge of this topic other than what someone has told you.

Read the word. Gain knowledge from God. God is clear. Good pastors teach tithing, and tithe themselves. Those who reject the tithe are leading the flock astray from Godly principles. That is what is happening here by your singular interest in this forum.

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« Reply #26 on: Sun Sep 25, 2011 - 17:06:50 »

Read the word. Gain knowledge from God. God is clear. Good pastors teach tithing, and tithe themselves. Those who reject the tithe are leading the flock astray from Godly principles. That is what is happening here by your singular interest in this forum.

It is obvious from your meaningless replies that you don't have any scripture to give.

The tithing scriptures:
Leviticus 27:30-33 - God defines His tithe.
Numbers 18 - God commands what to do with His tithe.
Deut. 14:22-27 - God defines and gives instructions for the year feast.
Deut. 14:28-29 - God defines and gives instructions for feeding the poor.

Clear as can be.  Not complicated.  Straight forward.

Preacher:  You tithe on the first ten percent of your income.

God’s Word:  You tithe on crops, and every tenth animal that passes under the rod.  NOT the first, but the tenth.  See Leviticus 27:30-33.  Preachers are mixing firstfruits with the tithe and they are NOT the same.  In Nehemiah 10:37-38 we learn that the firstfruits were taken to the temple for the priests, and the tithe was taken to the Levites to go into their cities.

Preacher:  The Levites worked full-time at The Temple.

God’s Word:  The Levities and priests were divided into “24 courses

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« Reply #27 on: Sun Sep 25, 2011 - 17:10:20 »
The ONLY people in the Old Testament that were commanded to tithe were those who INHERITED THE PROMISED LAND WITH EVERYTHING ON IT. They got the land, house, animals, crops, etc. ALL FREE AND CLEAR. No mortgage payment or rent to pay. And THEY were commanded to tithe on the crops and animals and take it to the Levites who INHERITED the tithe INSTEAD OF the promised land with everything on it. No one else tithed.  Wage earners did not tithe. Jesus did not tithe as a carpenter.  Paul did not tithe as a tent maker.  Peter did not tithe as a fisherman.

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« Reply #28 on: Sun Sep 25, 2011 - 18:17:06 »
The ONLY people in the Old Testament that were commanded to tithe were those who INHERITED THE PROMISED LAND WITH EVERYTHING ON IT. They got the land, house, animals, crops, etc. ALL FREE AND CLEAR. No mortgage payment or rent to pay. And THEY were commanded to tithe on the crops and animals and take it to the Levites who INHERITED the tithe INSTEAD OF the promised land with everything on it. No one else tithed.  Wage earners did not tithe. Jesus did not tithe as a carpenter.  Paul did not tithe as a tent maker.  Peter did not tithe as a fisherman.

That is false. Jesus wasn't even a carpenter! LOl! So much for scriptural support!

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« Reply #29 on: Sun Sep 25, 2011 - 18:30:46 »

That is false. Jesus wasn't even a carpenter! LOl! So much for scriptural support!

Mark 6:1 (KJV)
1And he went out from thence, and came into his own country; and his disciples follow him.
Mark 6:2 (KJV)
2And when the sabbath day was come, he began to teach in the synagogue: and many hearing him were astonished, saying, From whence hath this man these things? and what wisdom is this which is given unto him, that even such mighty works are wrought by his hands?
Mark 6:3 (KJV)
3Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.
Mark 6:4 (KJV)
4But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, but in his own country, and among his own kin, and in his own house.
Mark 6:5 (KJV)
5And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them.
Mark 6:6 (KJV)
6And he marvelled because of their unbelief. And he went round about the villages, teaching.

Jesus was a carpenter as proven by the scriptures above.

Numbers 18 tells us that only those who inherited the promised land were to tithe, and they were to tithe to the tribe that inherited the tithe instead of the promised land.

Also.....
The Holy Bible, King James Version


Leviticus 27:34 (KJV)
34These are the commandments, which the LORD commanded Moses for the children of Israel in mount Sinai.

The command to tithe was given during the Exodus and ONLY applied to the twelve tribes of Israel.  Eleven inherited the promised land, and one inherited the tithe.

You are really showing your lack of Biblical knowledge.


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« Reply #30 on: Sun Sep 25, 2011 - 18:45:36 »
Jewish Rabbis today (those who should know the Mosaic Law better than pastors), do not collect tithes because they know only Levites can collect the tithe ::doh::.

 Because the genealogical records were destroyed in the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD, they cannot determine true Levites. They use a patron system of so many dollars for each seat in their synagogues to raise funds for the maintenance of their synagogues. Of course, the more prominent seats command a higher price, but they do not tithe. Now isn’t that amazing?

 I wonder how many ministers can prove biological descent from Aaron? Remember, this is not the priesthood of Jesus Christ. ::frown::




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« Reply #31 on: Sun Sep 25, 2011 - 18:46:23 »
Title:   The Teacher's Commentary

Author:   Richards, Lawrence O.



After Jesus’ reputation had been well established, He returned to His hometown of Nazareth. When Jesus taught in the synagogue, His words created the familiar “amazement,

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« Reply #32 on: Sun Sep 25, 2011 - 19:03:46 »
I stand corrected about Jesus as carpenter, but it is still not ever mentioned that He worked with wood, although his father, Joseph, was most likely a tradesman in building.

Since the custom was for sons to follow their fathers in the family business, whatever that business was, as Joseph’s legal son, Jesus would have taken up Joseph’s trade.

What work Jesus did up until He started His ministry, is trivial compared to the outcome of His ministry.


Matthew 13:55
Is this not the carpenter’s Son?

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« Reply #33 on: Sun Sep 25, 2011 - 20:30:31 »
All tithes were always food and NEVER money and yes, they did have money and silver back then.

It is the Old Covenant Laws that were given to the Israelites that is the issue.

Christians are commanded to give freely, sacrificially, generously, regularly, joyfully and with the motivation of love for God and man.

The following New Covenant FREE-WILL principles are found in Second Corinthians 8 and 9:

(1) Giving is a "grace.” These chapters use the Greek word for "grace" eight times in reference to helping needy saints.

(2) Give yourself to God first (8:5).

(3) Give yourself to knowing God’s will (8:5).

(4) Give in response to Christ’s gift (8:9; 9:15).

(5) Give out of a sincere desire (8:8, 10, 12; 9:7).

(6) Do not give because of any commandment (8:8, 10; 9:7).

(7) Give beyond your ability (8:3, 11-12).

(8) Give to produce equality. This means that those who have more should give more in order to make up for the inability of those who cannot afford to give as much (8:12-14).

(9) Give joyfully (8:2).

(10) Give because you are growing spiritually (8:3-4, 7).

(11) Give because you want to continue growing spiritually (9:8, 10-11).

(12) Give because you are hearing the gospel preached (9:13).

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« Reply #34 on: Sat Oct 01, 2011 - 03:24:09 »
Tithe payment is a commandment every christian must obey. When you pay your tithe, your ways will be prosperous

 

     
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