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Has evil always existed? will evil always exist.
« on: January 03, 2010, 12:50:55 PM »
We believe that God cannot learn anything new. is it wrong to conclude this:
 
The knowledge of what is good and what is evil has always existed in God. Even before creation, evil and good existed in the mind of God as knowledge. Thus good and evil cannot be created. Knowledge of what is good and evil will always exist in the mind of God even after the new heaven and new earth.

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Has evil always existed? will evil always exist.
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« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2010, 02:43:12 PM »
I believe it is more like light and dark.  There is a thing as light, but dark is descriptive in relation to light.
 
God is good, with no evil present.  Evil is the absence of God. Those who Those who are “good

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Has evil always existed?  No!

Will evil always exist? No!

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« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2010, 04:35:52 PM »


Has evil always existed?  No!

Will evil always exist? No!



Gotta love simplicity.
Blessed is every one that feareth the LORD; that walketh in his ways.
For thou shalt eat the labour of thine hands: happy shalt thou be, and it shall be well with thee.
Thy wife shall be as a fruitful vine by the sides of thine house: thy children like olive plants round about thy table.  — Psalm 128:1-3

I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name. — Psalm 138:2

Let your speech be alway with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man. — Colossians 4:6

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« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2010, 05:13:44 PM »


Has evil always existed?  No!

Will evil always exist? No!



Gotta love simplicity.


But I believe in eternal hell, not annihilation…so it isn’t as simple for me. 

Plus, most of the fun is making something simple into something complex – hence this forum  ::smile::

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« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2010, 05:38:41 PM »
I believe in eternal hell, I don't see  how that creates a dilemma.
Blessed is every one that feareth the LORD; that walketh in his ways.
For thou shalt eat the labour of thine hands: happy shalt thou be, and it shall be well with thee.
Thy wife shall be as a fruitful vine by the sides of thine house: thy children like olive plants round about thy table.  — Psalm 128:1-3

I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name. — Psalm 138:2

Let your speech be alway with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man. — Colossians 4:6

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« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2010, 05:40:47 PM »
I believe in eternal hell, I don't see  how that creates a dilemma.

Evil ceases to exist, but those in hell do not? 

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« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2010, 06:19:35 PM »


Has evil always existed?  No!

Will evil always exist? No!



Gotta love simplicity.


But I believe in eternal hell, not annihilation…so it isn’t as simple for me. 

Plus, most of the fun is making something simple into something complex – hence this forum  ::smile::


Can I amend my simplicity into "Not in God's presence?" Even here I may be off for I read in Psalms 139:8  If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.

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« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2010, 06:36:02 PM »
I believe in eternal hell, I don't see  how that creates a dilemma.

Evil ceases to exist, but those in hell do not? 

If you mean evil as in sin, yes sin will cease to exist in the future.
Blessed is every one that feareth the LORD; that walketh in his ways.
For thou shalt eat the labour of thine hands: happy shalt thou be, and it shall be well with thee.
Thy wife shall be as a fruitful vine by the sides of thine house: thy children like olive plants round about thy table.  — Psalm 128:1-3

I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name. — Psalm 138:2

Let your speech be alway with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man. — Colossians 4:6

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« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2010, 06:59:45 PM »
I see what you’re saying.  I was thinking more of those in an eternal hell (if one believes hell to be eternal) existing outside of the will of God – not outside the plan of God.  Those in hell would exist apart from God, apart from His will, apart from love, etc, - condemned for their rejection. 

Except that they were created for that purpose.  It isn’t His will that men should reject Him, but He ordains their rejection for His purpose.
 
That is the evil I was referring to - but it would be non-existant to those with God.

So I'll say "no" and "no" also, and keep it simple.  When that which is perfect is come, I don't think evil will be included.



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« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2010, 07:12:15 PM »


Has evil always existed?  No!

Will evil always exist? No!



Gotta love simplicity.


But I believe in eternal hell, not annihilation…so it isn’t as simple for me. 

Plus, most of the fun is making something simple into something complex – hence this forum  ::smile::


Can I amend my simplicity into "Not in God's presence?" Even here I may be off for I read in Psalms 139:8  If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.

I agree with that.

(And I don’t know that “Sheol

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« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2010, 09:00:01 PM »
Interesting Ideas. I will think about them

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« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2010, 09:41:57 AM »


Has evil always existed?  No!

Will evil always exist? No!



Gotta love simplicity.


But I believe in eternal hell, not annihilation…so it isn’t as simple for me. 

Plus, most of the fun is making something simple into something complex – hence this forum  ::smile::


Can I amend my simplicity into "Not in God's presence?" Even here I may be off for I read in Psalms 139:8  If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.

i think there are a few mistranslations in our english bibles with the word hell
hell in this case refers to hades, which is different to gehenna (lake of fire)
it's more clear to use the terms hades and gehenna

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« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2010, 04:03:37 AM »
I believe it is more like light and dark.  There is a thing as light, but dark is descriptive in relation to light.
 
God is good, with no evil present.  Evil is the absence of God. Those who Those who are “good” now are not truly good of themselves, but only through Christ.
 
Evil, then, is not present in God, but in those who reject God (whether it was angels when that opportunity was present, or men in our current state).  God had the knowledge that men would rebel, the knowledge that men would do “evil” by rejecting His will, but evil exists only in the rebellion from His will.


I completely agree on this. 

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« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2010, 03:18:58 PM »
Evil has existed as long as good has. Since God is good, and God is eternal, than evil is also eternal.