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Other ways to God than Jesus?
« on: September 22, 2011, 04:15:59 PM »
I had quite a shock the other day. I was talking to a minister of the Gospel and they told me they believed there were other ways to God than Jesus!

I didn't say anything then but when I got home I composed a letter and sent it to her. I told her I was confused by her statement and that Jesus said:

I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father but by me. John 14:6

I haven't heard back from them yet but when and if I do I will let you know what they said.

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Re: Other ways to God than Jesus?
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2011, 08:56:17 PM »
There is no other way to be saved than Jesus. To such minister who said that there are other ways to be saved than Jesus, already has erred. If she is not occult she will must have  been apostate.  ::preachit::

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Re: Other ways to God than Jesus?
« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2011, 04:17:08 AM »
I would not be too concerned what the world thinks about 'salvation and obviously someone not believing in Jesus as 'our only Saviour' is of the world and not acceptable to God - no matter what THEY say or think.
GOD's WORD teaches us what to think and speak !  ::announcment::

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Re: Other ways to God than Jesus?
« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2011, 11:02:57 AM »
There is no other way to be saved than Jesus. To such minister who said that there are other ways to be saved than Jesus, already has erred. If she is not occult she will must have  been apostate.  ::preachit::

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If she is not occult she will must have  been apostate.

That's a pretty scarry thought since she is a minister in the Presbyterian Church USA

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Re: Other ways to God than Jesus?
« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2011, 07:29:22 PM »
I would not be too concerned what the world thinks about 'salvation and obviously someone not believing in Jesus as 'our only Saviour' is of the world and not acceptable to God - no matter what THEY say or think.
GOD's WORD teaches us what to think and speak !  ::announcment::

I think we should be concerned about someone that is supposed to be tending Jesus's sheep that should be upholding His divinity that can say something like that!  ::fit::

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Re: Other ways to God than Jesus?
« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2011, 09:31:56 PM »
I would not be too concerned what the world thinks about 'salvation and obviously someone not believing in Jesus as 'our only Saviour' is of the world and not acceptable to God - no matter what THEY say or think.
GOD's WORD teaches us what to think and speak !  ::announcment::

I think we should be concerned about someone that is supposed to be tending Jesus's sheep that should be upholding His divinity that can say something like that!  ::fit::
Alright - Concerned yes....but what hope have you to change the mind of a minister who must be well and truly grounded in their belief ???
But let's get real ....traditional christianity has many beliefs that are far removed from scripture yet are widely taught.
Have you read Rev.12v9 telling us the 'whole world is deceived ? This is not an 'end-time happening since 'many deceivers had entered into the world even at the time of the first Apostles 2Joh.v7.
What a person should concentrate on is 'to work out his own salvation .....make sure themselves are not deceived.  ::amen!::

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« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2011, 11:36:01 AM »
I would not be too concerned what the world thinks about 'salvation and obviously someone not believing in Jesus as 'our only Saviour' is of the world and not acceptable to God - no matter what THEY say or think.
GOD's WORD teaches us what to think and speak !  ::announcment::

I think we should be concerned about someone that is supposed to be tending Jesus's sheep that should be upholding His divinity that can say something like that!  ::fit::
Alright - Concerned yes....but what hope have you to change the mind of a minister who must be well and truly grounded in their belief ???
But let's get real ....traditional christianity has many beliefs that are far removed from scripture yet are widely taught.
Have you read Rev.12v9 telling us the 'whole world is deceived ? This is not an 'end-time happening since 'many deceivers had entered into the world even at the time of the first Apostles 2Joh.v7.
What a person should concentrate on is 'to work out his own salvation .....make sure themselves are not deceived.  ::amen!::

I can't believe your attitude!  ::frown:: It's one thing that we know there are deciever's in the world but when they are in our churches that is a totally different thing!  ::sarcasmalert:

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Re: Other ways to God than Jesus?
« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2011, 04:40:29 PM »
Anyone teaching any other way than Jesus is doing so by the spirit of antichrist, especially if they
consider themselves a minister of the Gospel!

 
"For I did not shrink from declaring to you the whole purpose of God. Acts 20:27

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Re: Other ways to God than Jesus?
« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2011, 10:46:14 AM »
Anyone teaching any other way than Jesus is doing so by the spirit of antichrist, especially if they
consider themselves a minister of the Gospel!

 

I certainly think this is a reactionary and ill thought out post. ^^^

But back on topic:

Your minister is surely expressing a belief that is directly contrary to the church's teaching. It is in direct opposition to the quoted bible verse.  For this, I believe the right thing was done to quietly confront her.  She may need this confrontation to help her clarify her stance. A devout Christian and Presbyterian Minister... or something else.

I'm not saying there is anything wrong with being something else or even turning to another faith if her heart tells her to, but it surely is inappropriate to do as she did.  It is not her place to implant interpretations that go against the fundamental principles upon which the faith she is attempting to teach, was built.

I would ask her to question her faith and her beliefs.  If they are not in complete harmony with the teachings of the Presbyterian church then she has no right to be the embodiment OF and the teacher FOR that church.  

Our leaders are not infallible but surely we should not stand to be led astray.  Remember, we all have a right to chose not only what we learn, but who is best suited to teach us.


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Re: Other ways to God than Jesus?
« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2011, 08:14:24 PM »
Anyone teaching any other way than Jesus is doing so by the spirit of antichrist, especially if they
consider themselves a minister of the Gospel!

 

I certainly think this is a reactionary and ill thought out post. ^^^

But back on topic:

Your minister is surely expressing a belief that is directly contrary to the church's teaching. It is in direct opposition to the quoted bible verse.  For this, I believe the right thing was done to quietly confront her.  She may need this confrontation to help her clarify her stance. A devout Christian and Presbyterian Minister... or something else.

I'm not saying there is anything wrong with being something else or even turning to another faith if her heart tells her to, but it surely is inappropriate to do as she did.  It is not her place to implant interpretations that go against the fundamental principles upon which the faith she is attempting to teach, was built.

I would ask her to question her faith and her beliefs.  If they are not in complete harmony with the teachings of the Presbyterian church then she has no right to be the embodiment OF and the teacher FOR that church.  

Our leaders are not infallible but surely we should not stand to be led astray.  Remember, we all have a right to chose not only what we learn, but who is best suited to teach us.



Thanks for your post Humility,

I am in hopes that the letter will cause her to question her stance on the subject, havn't heard anything from her yet. I gave her my phone #, e-mail addy and snail mail addy and said I was avilable for comment.

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« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2011, 10:39:56 AM »
I have always thought of the Presbyterians as a main line denomination with a solid statement of faith toward Jesus. To have this pastor say what she did is akin to the Southern Baptists Convention saying they will no longer have a Statement of Faith and their members are free to believe what they want!

Some Presbyterian churches as really doing some odd things. When I heard about the Chrislam movement my jaw dropped  ::droppingjaw::

The article says they are trying to bring about reconciliation between Islam and Christianity. I have never ever heard that the two were so close at one time that they needed to be reconciled!


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Re: Other ways to God than Jesus?
« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2011, 03:41:43 PM »
Any other teaching that is not Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life is not a Christian teaching.  We know the only way to the Father is through the Son who gave Himself up for us while we were still yet sinners.  I pray this teacher comes to know the truth and teaches the truth as the bible presents it.  It's not about whether she's a great teacher for her denomination, it's whether she's teaching truth or fiction. If it's not about Christ as being the only way, then it's false teaching.  My thoughts.
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Re: Other ways to God than Jesus?
« Reply #12 on: September 28, 2011, 05:32:00 PM »
Any other teaching that is not Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life is not a Christian teaching.  We know the only way to the Father is through the Son who gave Himself up for us while we were still yet sinners.  I pray this teacher comes to know the truth and teaches the truth as the bible presents it.  It's not about whether she's a great teacher for her denomination, it's whether she's teaching truth or fiction. If it's not about Christ as being the only way, then it's false teaching.  My thoughts.
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As always those are Good thoughts and....its in the bible!

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« Reply #13 on: September 28, 2011, 07:14:04 PM »
Any other teaching that is not Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life is not a Christian teaching.  We know the only way to the Father is through the Son who gave Himself up for us while we were still yet sinners.  I pray this teacher comes to know the truth and teaches the truth as the bible presents it.  It's not about whether she's a great teacher for her denomination, it's whether she's teaching truth or fiction. If it's not about Christ as being the only way, then it's false teaching.  My thoughts.
Candy

Thank you Candy,

That's what makes this Crislam movement so idiotic! They say that since the Koran mentions Jesus 25 times, blah, blah, blah. Well, the Koran doesn't portray Jesus as the only way to the Father, it doesn't say that Jesus died and was ressurected, Islam believes that jesus was born of a virgin but that Jesus is only a prophet.

I had a converstion with a Muslim once and I asked them that since they believe that Jesus was born of a virgin, didn't they see anything unique about that? Mohammad didn't even claim to be born of a virgin!

The spirit of anti-Christ is alive and well and in some churches!

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Re: Other ways to God than Jesus?
« Reply #14 on: September 30, 2011, 11:02:27 PM »
I had quite a shock the other day. I was talking to a minister of the Gospel and they told me they believed there were other ways to God than Jesus!

I didn't say anything then but when I got home I composed a letter and sent it to her. I told her I was confused by her statement and that Jesus said:

I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father but by me. John 14:6

I haven't heard back from them yet but when and if I do I will let you know what they said.

Jesus 'visited' the dead, who had died before they could hear His Word, giving them a chance to be saved by Him. If there was any other way, I'm sure that He would have used it. (I had immediately thought of the same scripture that you have referenced in your thread above, also.)  ::smile::