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Who is Melchizedek?
« on: Sun Jan 03, 2010 - 17:31:49 »
Hebrews 7
 1. This Melchizedek was king of Salem and priest of God Most High. He met Abraham returning from the defeat of the kings and blessed him,
2. and Abraham gave him a tenth of everything. First, his name means "king of righteousness"; then also, "king of Salem" means "king of peace."
3. Without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, like the Son of God he remains a priest forever.

who is he? is he alive today?


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Re: who is Melchizedek?
« Reply #1 on: Sun Jan 03, 2010 - 17:34:09 »
If Melchizedek was a theophany or a christophany then he was God/Christ and is very alive today.

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« Reply #2 on: Sun Jan 03, 2010 - 18:02:06 »

Hebrews 7:3  Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

Notice above that Melchisedec was made like unto the Son of God; he was not God.

The Levitical priesthood had limits to its priesthood. They could only serve 20 years, it was passed from father to son, and it was often interrupted by death. They must have proof of their birth and tribe, but Melchisedec had none of these restrictions, and we have no record of his birth or death.

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Re: who is Melchizedek?
« Reply #3 on: Sun Jan 03, 2010 - 19:02:33 »
He was a priest before Israel or the Levitical priesthood existed.  It is also viewed that he was a “Christ type

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Re: who is Melchizedek?
« Reply #4 on: Sun Jan 03, 2010 - 19:44:48 »
in TR and other old texts the Heb 7:3 reads : "aphomoiomenos to the Son of God"

this "aphomoiomenos" is a lot more than "made like".....note also the tense and voice.


G871 (Mickelson's Enhanced Strong's Greek and Hebrew Dictionaries)
G871 αφομοιόω aphomoioo (af-om-oy-oh'-ow) v.
1. to assimilate closely
[from G575 and G3666]
KJV: make like
Root(s): G575, G3666

V-RPP-NSM (Robinson's Morphological Analysis Codes)
Tense: peRfect
Voice: Passive
Mood: Participle
Case: Nominative
Number: Singular
Gender: Masculine


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Re: who is Melchizedek?
« Reply #5 on: Sun Jan 03, 2010 - 19:55:45 »
Hebrews 7
 1. This Melchizedek was king of Salem and priest of God Most High. He met Abraham returning from the defeat of the kings and blessed him,
2. and Abraham gave him a tenth of everything. First, his name means "king of righteousness"; then also, "king of Salem" means "king of peace."
3. Without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, like the Son of God he remains a priest forever.

who is he? is he alive today?
No, he is not alive today.
Jesus is said to be a priest after the order of Mel, because:
-- neither were of the pristly tribe. This is important because it is another indicator that all things Law were a parenthesis, with things working around and about Israel and their Law.
-- nobody knows Mels geneology (or, more importantly, it isn't important).
-- Israel owes honor to this class of priest, even if we do claim Abraham as our father.
-- Both are priest and king
-- ....of peace

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Re: who is Melchizedek?
« Reply #6 on: Sun Jan 03, 2010 - 22:01:45 »
Hebrews 7
 1. This Melchizedek was king of Salem and priest of God Most High. He met Abraham returning from the defeat of the kings and blessed him,
2. and Abraham gave him a tenth of everything. First, his name means "king of righteousness"; then also, "king of Salem" means "king of peace."
3. Without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, like the Son of God he remains a priest forever.

who is he? is he alive today?
No, he is not alive today.
Jesus is said to be a priest after the order of Mel, because:
-- neither were of the pristly tribe. This is important because it is another indicator that all things Law were a parenthesis, with things working around and about Israel and their Law.
-- nobody knows Mels geneology (or, more importantly, it isn't important).
-- Israel owes honor to this class of priest, even if we do claim Abraham as our father.
-- Both are priest and king
-- ....of peace

I thought the verse said he has no end of life so why would he not be alive today? did he die at the time of abraham?

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Re: who is Melchizedek?
« Reply #7 on: Sun Jan 03, 2010 - 22:17:45 »
Hebrews 7
 1. This Melchizedek was king of Salem and priest of God Most High. He met Abraham returning from the defeat of the kings and blessed him,
2. and Abraham gave him a tenth of everything. First, his name means "king of righteousness"; then also, "king of Salem" means "king of peace."
3. Without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, like the Son of God he remains a priest forever.

who is he? is he alive today?
No, he is not alive today.
Jesus is said to be a priest after the order of Mel, because:
-- neither were of the priestly tribe. This is important because it is another indicator that all things Law were a parenthesis, with things working around and about Israel and their Law.
-- nobody knows Mels genealogy (or, more importantly, it isn't important).
-- Israel owes honor to this class of priest, even if we do claim Abraham as our father.
-- Both are priest and king
-- ....of peace

I thought the verse said he has no end of life so why would he not be alive today? did he die at the time of Abraham?

My understanding in the context of being a priest of God, Melchizedek was different than other priests in that there was no record of his birth or death. There are many that attempt to make Melchizedek as Jesus, but again he was made like unto the Son of God.

Similarities is that he was a king, without a birthday or death certificate date; he was a king/priest just like Jesus is.

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Re: who is Melchizedek?
« Reply #8 on: Sun Jan 03, 2010 - 22:28:57 »
The idea is that he had no priestly geneology as the Levitical priesthood required. We don't know when he was born, we don't know who his parents were, we don't know when he died. He was in effect "outside" the Aaronic/Levitical priesthood just as Jesus was.

Because Mel was superior to Aaron/Levi, Jesus is too. As I said, this is important because we're going to get rid of the Law as a governing structure. Therefore, the High Priest of God's people could no longer be restrained by it.

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Re: who is Melchizedek?
« Reply #9 on: Sun Jan 03, 2010 - 23:44:48 »
There is no history of Melchizedeck in the bible for Melchizedeck is not a man, neither is he/she/they a God.


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« Reply #10 on: Sun Jan 03, 2010 - 23:54:51 »

There is no history of Melchizedeck in the bible for Melchizedeck is not a man, neither is he/she/they a God.

Sounds like history to me. Of course your spelling of his name is wrong thus the possibility of error?

Genesis 14:18.  "And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God."

 

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Re: who is Melchizedek?
« Reply #11 on: Mon Jan 04, 2010 - 00:03:33 »
Yes, that is not telling us anything about Melchizedeck?


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« Reply #12 on: Mon Jan 04, 2010 - 00:23:45 »
Yes, that is not telling us anything about Melchizedeck?


To me the Bible, the only word of truth tells me He was the king of Salem.

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Re: who is Melchizedek?
« Reply #13 on: Mon Jan 04, 2010 - 00:32:05 »
Larry2 I hear what you are saying, but there is no history of this Melchizedeck in the Bible.

Look at the life of Jesus, David, Job, Samson, all important guys and their whole life is in it and this important high priest is ominously absent.

Does that not strike you as odd?

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« Reply #14 on: Mon Jan 04, 2010 - 00:33:23 »
Larry2 I hear what you are saying, but there is no history of this Melchizedeck in the Bible.

Look at the life of Jesus, David, Job, Samson, all important guys and their whole life is in it and this important high priest is ominously absent.

Does that not strike you as odd?

Not even a little bit. I believe the Bible.

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Re: who is Melchizedek?
« Reply #15 on: Mon Jan 04, 2010 - 00:36:10 »
Well, keep believing.

Melchizedeck still is not Jesus.

I believe the sky is green, But each time I look up it is still blue.

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Re: who is Melchizedek?
« Reply #16 on: Mon Jan 04, 2010 - 00:47:51 »

Well, keep believing.

Melchizedeck still is not Jesus.

I believe the sky is green, But each time I look up it is still blue.


Where did I say Melchisedek was Jesus. Maybe that's why you believe the sky is green.

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Re: who is Melchizedek?
« Reply #17 on: Mon Jan 04, 2010 - 00:52:32 »
Have you ever played ping pong?

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Re: who is Melchizedek?
« Reply #18 on: Mon Jan 04, 2010 - 01:29:27 »
Have you ever played ping pong?

Have played a lot of it, and had a fair record in compition.

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« Reply #19 on: Mon Jan 04, 2010 - 09:38:07 »
....my ping pong table is green..... ::crackup::

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Re: who is Melchizedek?
« Reply #20 on: Mon Jan 04, 2010 - 09:46:59 »
Hebrews has a wonderful description of the Lord Jesus as priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.

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Re: who is Melchizedek?
« Reply #21 on: Mon Jan 04, 2010 - 10:18:16 »
Larry2 I hear what you are saying, but there is no history of this Melchizedeck in the Bible.

Look at the life of Jesus, David, Job, Samson, all important guys and their whole life is in it and this important high priest is ominously absent.

Does that not strike you as odd?

Not even a little bit. I believe the Bible.

in Joshua 10:12-13, there is a book mentioned called the book of Jasher. I Dont know much about it but i read that most of the Tanakh is on this book. Also they have a little more information of this kIng of Salem when he met Abraham.

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Re: who is Melchizedek?
« Reply #22 on: Mon Jan 04, 2010 - 10:21:14 »
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It's always good to link Old Testament revelation with that of the New Testament. And important to stick to canonical books of the Bible.

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Re: who is Melchizedek?
« Reply #23 on: Mon Jan 04, 2010 - 16:46:11 »
In Hebrews, the point the author is making is that Jesus is legitimate as a priest, because Jesus is the king of Jerusalem, and the king has a priestly title and powers in addition to his secular powers.

The king of Jerusalem (and therefore of Judea), was always accorded priestly privileges as part of his powers as king.

Melchizedek is the first such example.  Because he was king of (Jeru)Salem, he was also priest of God.  That was part of his titles.

When King David speaks about Melchizedek in Psalms 110, David claims priestly privileges as part of his kingship, as Melchizedek before him had:

Psa 110:4   The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou [art] a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.

David intercedes for Israel with God directly, goes into the holy place to speak with God, eats the shewbread, and does many other things that are reserved for priests.  Davids justification is that God has accorded the king priestly powers.

Jesus, like David, like Melchizedek, was king of Jerusalem.  As such, He inherited the title "priest after the order of melchizedek" with all the powers implied by such title.

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Re: who is Melchizedek?
« Reply #24 on: Mon Jan 04, 2010 - 16:57:47 »
in Joshua 10:12-13, there is a book mentioned called the book of Jasher. I Dont know much about it but i read that most of the Tanakh is on this book. Also they have a little more information of this kIng of Salem when he met Abraham.
The book of Jasher that we have now is not the same as the one referred to in Joshua.  It was written in Spain in the middle ages, and is loosely based on the Babylonian Talmud, which was written in the 1st-6th centuries AD.

In Hebrew "Jasher" is ISR, which is simply the name of the country: ISR(ael).  It is occasionally referred to in the old testament as Jeshurun (ISRN).  Long story short, the "book of Jasher" is just the "book of Israel."  That means it is probably the official chronicle of the history of that country, which we still have.  It became the books of 1-2 Chronicles, and 1-2 Kings, in your Bible.

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« Reply #25 on: Mon Jan 04, 2010 - 17:47:08 »
Quote
It's always good to link Old Testament revelation with that of the New Testament. And important to stick to canonical books of the Bible.

On whos Authority were these books canonised. And why when they were canonised were Ethiopian Christians writings excluded.
Or are these Christian prophets not deemed children of GOD?

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« Reply #26 on: Mon Jan 04, 2010 - 18:17:55 »
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It's always good to link Old Testament revelation with that of the New Testament. And important to stick to canonical books of the Bible.

On whos Authority were these books canonised. And why when they were canonised were Ethiopian Christians writings excluded.
Or are these Christian prophets not deemed children of GOD?

good question Dorian, i myself am waiting for an answer to the same question. do we believe that the panel of people that chose what books go into the bible were led by the Spirit to choose which of the books were God Breathed? what about the book of wisdom, what was wrong with it? Did God appear to them in a vision and gave them a list of books to compile into the bible?

In Jude 1v14, we hear that Enoch made a prophesy. how did they know that? why dont we have that information in the old testament that the writers of the NT had?

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« Reply #27 on: Mon Jan 04, 2010 - 18:55:19 »
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here is the simple math...God spoke to Moses in a burning bush. He spoke Job, we can go on in this vain. So here is the thing if, if, and it is a big if, If he spoke to these guys in a voice then he must speak to all humans on Earth today.

If he does not, then he was not GOD. As GOD is all loving, all compassionate, no respecter of person race creed or colour.

We are all one.

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« Reply #28 on: Mon Jan 04, 2010 - 19:11:00 »
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It's always good to link Old Testament revelation with that of the New Testament. And important to stick to canonical books of the Bible.

On whos Authority were these books canonised. And why when they were canonised were Ethiopian Christians writings excluded.
Or are these Christian prophets not deemed children of GOD?

The book of Acts is not complete. The gospel was fulfilled with Paul's epistles; the Revelation of Jesus with John.

Ethiopian queen Sheba was recorded in 1 Kings 10:6-9 
6  And she (Sheba) said to the king, It was a true report that I heard in mine own land of thy acts and of thy wisdom.
7  Howbeit I believed not the words, until I came, and mine eyes had seen it: and, behold, the half was not told me: thy wisdom and prosperity exceedeth the fame which I heard.
8  Happy are thy men, happy are these thy servants, which stand continually before thee, and that hear thy wisdom.
9  Blessed be the LORD thy God, which delighted in thee, to set thee on the throne of Israel: because the LORD loved Israel for ever, therefore made he thee king, to do judgment and justice.

The Shulamite of Song of Solomon may have been Ethopian though I'm led to think she was of Israel. Song of Solomon 1:5  I am black, but comely (Beautiful). She is the one as a type of the bride the king Jesus courts.

You seem hung up over Blacks in scripture, but I would put forth the quality of our black brethren today that will reign with Christ forever.

My thoughts.

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« Reply #29 on: Mon Jan 04, 2010 - 19:31:23 »
I forgive your statement and confusion. 'Hung up'

I am not talking of black in scripture. I am talking of Canonisation of books. The Church of Ethiopia had the largest collection of scripture other than those in the Bible.

Who decided there exclusion.

Larry, you are funny.


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« Reply #30 on: Mon Jan 04, 2010 - 19:57:27 »
I forgive your statement and confusion. 'Hung up'

I am not talking of black in scripture. I am talking of Canonisation of books. The Church of Ethiopia had the largest collection of scripture other than those in the Bible.

Who decided there exclusion.

Larry, you are funny.


Was their writing by apostles or prophets? I'm not familiar with them. Like the books in the Apocrypha which were religious history, they were not considered authorized by God, at least by those putting the Bible together. I truthfully don't know much about them.

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« Reply #31 on: Mon Jan 04, 2010 - 20:04:02 »
Larry when God spoke to Moses at the burning bush. Moses heard his voice with his ears.

So did anyone hear the voice of God say; THESE BOOKS ARE THE LITERAL WORDS OF God

The canonising of books were created by men. Men with an agenda, who cared not for humanity.
Who decides whos a prophet or not.

The Prophets seem to come mostly from Judea or Israel.

So if I said I am from Africa and  I am a prophet who on earth would believe me.


Besides can you and I not also prophesy?

Nostradamus to name just one, he was a prophet. Is he in the Bible?

Prophets are just like politicians, men in power swaying the masses.

Do you have any further thoughts?

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« Reply #32 on: Mon Jan 04, 2010 - 20:15:15 »

Well Dorian, I do believe the Bible as the word of God and see in it prophesy that came true. I do believe God selected those who believed Him and had the write scripture, and we have that today.

2 Timothy 3:16  "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:" I do not know why others were not included, but I am satisfied that what I have is sufficient to have brought me to God and His Son, and that I am safe in that salvation. I have peace and joy in my Lord, and have proved Him over and over in my own life as to His word being true to me.

My thoughts. 

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« Reply #33 on: Mon Jan 04, 2010 - 20:29:27 »
I do not want to sway what you believe, I cant.

What I am saying is...Look at the Word Believe...

Does it hold any water in matters of the Spirit?

Lucifer believed he was equal to god and looked what happened to him. Belief is not enough.

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« Reply #34 on: Mon Jan 04, 2010 - 20:40:24 »
I do not want to sway what you believe, I cant.

What I am saying is...Look at the Word Believe...

Does it hold any water in matters of the Spirit?

Lucifer believed he was equal to god and looked what happened to him. Belief is not enough.

That may be exactly what constitutes the difference in how we read the Bible in faith. Different writers with the same message.

Romans 4:3  For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

Galatians 3:6  Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.

James 2:23  And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

 

     
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