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« Reply #15 on: February 07, 2012, 10:12:08 AM »
Go back and read my post.  What I have been saying is man can only teach about God.  Man can’t teach one to know God.

(1 Corinthians 2:10-12)  “These are the very things that God has revealed to us through the Spirit, for the Spirit reaches the depts. Of everything, even the depths of God.  After all, the depths of a man can only be known by his own spirit, not by any other man, and in the same way the depths of God can only be known by the Spirit of God.

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« Reply #16 on: February 07, 2012, 11:18:12 AM »
Go back and read my post.  What I have been saying is man can only teach about God.  Man can’t teach one to know God.

(1 Corinthians 2:10-12)  “These are the very things that God has revealed to us through the Spirit, for the Spirit reaches the depts. Of everything, even the depths of God.  After all, the depths of a man can only be known by his own spirit, not by any other man, and in the same way the depths of God can only be known by the Spirit of God.

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« Reply #17 on: February 07, 2012, 11:24:10 AM »
(Hebrews 8:11-12) “No longer will a man teach his neighbor, or a man his brother, saying, 'Know the Lord,' because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest. For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more.”

Now we are getting somewhere; we are forgiven...we are saved...God will not remember our sins...Jesus paid the price...we have eternal life...not by us not sinning; but by the blood of Jesus...God will forgive...and remember our sins NO MORE!!!

Giver...you have come to the knowledge of the truth...PTL!!! ::smile::

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« Reply #18 on: February 07, 2012, 11:24:39 AM »
You are posting your opinion, and I am posting the written Word of God, why should anyone believe you?

(John 10:1-5)"I tell you the truth, the man who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way, is a thief and a robber. The man who enters by the gate is the shepherd of his sheep. The watchman opens the gate for him, and the sheep listen to his voice. He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. When he has brought out all his own, he goes on ahead of them, and his sheep follow him because they know his voice. But they will never follow a stranger; in fact, they will run away from him because they do not recognize a stranger's voice."  Jesus said his people would be called out by name, and they would follow no other.


(1 John 2:27) “But you have not lost the anointing that he gave you, and you do not need anyone to teach you, the anointing he gave teaches you everything; you are anointed with truth, not a lie, and as it has taught you, so you must stay in him.

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« Reply #19 on: February 07, 2012, 12:20:20 PM »
You are posting your opinion, and I am posting the written Word of God, why should anyone believe you?

(John 10:1-5)"I tell you the truth, the man who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way, is a thief and a robber. The man who enters by the gate is the shepherd of his sheep. The watchman opens the gate for him, and the sheep listen to his voice. He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. When he has brought out all his own, he goes on ahead of them, and his sheep follow him because they know his voice. But they will never follow a stranger; in fact, they will run away from him because they do not recognize a stranger's voice."  Jesus said his people would be called out by name, and they would follow no other.


(1 John 2:27) “But you have not lost the anointing that he gave you, and you do not need anyone to teach you, the anointing he gave teaches you everything; you are anointed with truth, not a lie, and as it has taught you, so you must stay in him.

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« Reply #20 on: February 07, 2012, 01:08:50 PM »
OK!  You post your opinion of what, in your opinion, the true church says.  You don’t even know that the true Church of God is supposed to teach the whole Word of God.  The church you assume to be the one true Church has a long way to go if it is going to teach the whole truth.

I quote scripture and you can’t quote any scripture that says what I quote have been taken out of context.

You can so easily disregard the scripture that I quote as taken out of context, and that should tell everyone that you are right and I am wrong?  Come on you don’t really believe people are that stupid do you?

Not my opinion at all.
The Scriptures plainly tell us that the CHURCH - not you, not ANY Protestant or Lone Ranger faction - not even the Bible is the entire truth of God.  The Bible is the WRITTEN word of God - not the complete Word of God.

Only the CHURCH is quided to ALL truth (John 16:12-15). 
Only the CHURCH is the Pillar anf Foundation of Truth (1 Tim. 3:15).
Only the CHURCH is the FULLNESS of Christ (Eph. 1:22-23).
Not the written Word and definitely not you.
The Bible never even makes that claim for itself.

Your failure to understand the CONTEXT of Scripture is simply this:
ALL of Scripture must harmonize.  It cannot contradict itself.
You pit your verses against the ones I provided and this is simply impossible.

The verses you provided MUST harmonize with the ones I provided or it is ALL a lie.
I see the harmony in all of our collective verses but you don't - and therein lies your failure.

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« Reply #21 on: February 07, 2012, 02:05:45 PM »
Only the CHURCH is quided to ALL truth (John 16:12-15). 
Only the CHURCH is the Pillar anf Foundation of Truth (1 Tim. 3:15).
Only the CHURCH is the FULLNESS of Christ (Eph. 1:22-23).

I agree to the extent that the CHURCH is you and me and every other believer in Jesus (Jesus...the Good News, the Gospel Message, the Eternal Life...the One True God)...yes, we are the pillar of truth, the fullness of Christ!
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« Reply #22 on: February 07, 2012, 02:25:13 PM »
I agree to the extent that the CHURCH is you and me and every other believer in Jesus (Jesus...the Good News, the Gospel Message, the Eternal Life...the One True God)...yes, we are the pillar of truth, the fullness of Christ!

I wish it were that way, brother - I truly do.  Unfortunately it is not enough to simply believe.  James tells us that even the demons believe in God and tremble (James 2:19).

The Reformation saw men attempting to divide the Body of Christ.  Since Jesus is not divided - neither can his Body be divided.  I think it's important to remember, though, that for most denominations - our similarities outweigh our differences.  

When you and I can stand together in the face of such bizarre teachings as Giver's, that gives me hope that one day, we will all stand united.
We could talk about this in another thread.

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« Reply #23 on: February 07, 2012, 03:34:58 PM »
I agree to the extent that the CHURCH is you and me and every other believer in Jesus (Jesus...the Good News, the Gospel Message, the Eternal Life...the One True God)...yes, we are the pillar of truth, the fullness of Christ!

I wish it were that way, brother - I truly do.  Unfortunately it is not enough to simply believe.  James tells us that even the demons believe in God and tremble (James 2:19).

Really; you are comparing other Christians to demons...because they disagree with the Catholic religion? ::frown::

Well...as a Child of the Most High; I am instructed not to argue or complain...why?  Because I have His Holy Spirit in me and I believe...and have confidence in my God given Faith...

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« Reply #24 on: February 07, 2012, 03:49:07 PM »
Really; you are comparing other Christians to demons...because they disagree with the Catholic religion? ::frown::

Not at all - and that's precisely what I did not want you to think.
I was responding to the statement that all believers were part of the Church - and that is simply not the case.  I know MANY people who believe in God but are not Christians.  There are many celebrities who claim to be "devout Christians" but you could never tell that by their behavior.

The Church is not invisible as many Protestants claim.  Jesus likened his Church as a city on a hill that cannot be hidden (Matt. 5:14).  We Catholics call our Protestant brothers and sisters out "separated" brethren.  Not divorced, but separated.

Well...as a Child of the Most High; I am instructed not to argue or complain...why?  Because I have His Holy Spirit in me and I believe...and have confidence in my God given Faith...

And again - I pray for the day when we can ALL be united.  Nine of my siblings are now non-Catholic Christians, so for me, this is very personal.  
I do feel, however, that this is a conversation for another thread.

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« Reply #25 on: February 07, 2012, 03:53:03 PM »
Really; you are comparing other Christians to demons...because they disagree with the Catholic religion? ::frown::

Not at all - and that's precisely what I did not want you to think.
I was responding to the statement that all believers were part of the Church - and that is simply not the case.  I know MANY people who believe in God but are not Christians.  There are many celebrities who claim to be "devout Christians" but you could never tell that by their behavior.

The Church is not invisible as many Protestants claim.  Jesus likened his Church as a city on a hill that cannot be hidden (Matt. 5:14).  We Catholics call our Protestant brothers and sisters out "separated" brethren.  Not divorced, but separated.

Well...as a Child of the Most High; I am instructed not to argue or complain...why?  Because I have His Holy Spirit in me and I believe...and have confidence in my God given Faith...

And again - I pray for the day when we can ALL be united.  Nine of my siblings are now non-Catholic Christians, so for me, this is very personal.  
I do feel, however, that this is a conversation for another thread.

Thanks...I understand...

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« Reply #26 on: February 07, 2012, 03:54:27 PM »
I agree to the extent that the CHURCH is you and me and every other believer in Jesus (Jesus...the Good News, the Gospel Message, the Eternal Life...the One True God)...yes, we are the pillar of truth, the fullness of Christ!

I wish it were that way, brother - I truly do.  Unfortunately it is not enough to simply believe.  James tells us that even the demons believe in God and tremble (James 2:19).

Really; you are comparing other Christians to demons...because they disagree with the Catholic religion? ::frown::

Well...as a Child of the Most High; I am instructed not to argue or complain...why?  Because I have His Holy Spirit in me and I believe...and have confidence in my God given Faith...


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« Reply #27 on: February 07, 2012, 04:40:49 PM »
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I wish it were that way, brother - I truly do.  Unfortunately it is not enough to simply believe.  James tells us that even the demons believe in God and tremble (James 2:19).

James 2:19
"You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe-and tremble!"

Being a 'believer' as it is commonly used among Christians, isn't limited to belief in God. 

I agree with you *wholeheartedly* that 'belief that there is one God' is not enough - every manner of heresy springs from "I believe in God' in which the speaker goes on to describe a god of their own making.  From New Agers to devil worshipers.  The broad way - which, as Scripture tells us, leads to destruction.

Believers, as commonly used amongst Christians, are those who believe in God AND, that Jesus - the Word came in the flesh, died on a cross for our sins, was resurrected on the 3rd day, ascended into heaven and sits at the right hand of the throne of God, from whence He will come to judge the quick and the dead.  That Jesus is the Truth, the Way and the Life and that no man comes to the Father, except by Him.  (I did this off the top of my head, so apologies if I left out something major).

Those who believe in the one true God, believe in Jesus Christ Whom He sent.  But,  then we have to determine whether or not that belief is in Jesus Christ as revealed in Scripture, or if they claim belief in a Jesus who is also of their own making.

Elvisman, I think it was you who said something the other day about heresies are usually rooted in an attempt to denigrate or denude any one of the Trinity.  I paraphrased, but hope that I accurately represented what you said - because I absolutely agree with you if I understood you correctly.

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« Reply #28 on: February 07, 2012, 04:56:01 PM »
James 2:19
"You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe-and tremble!"

Being a 'believer' as it is commonly used among Christians, isn't limited to belief in God. 

I agree with you *wholeheartedly* that 'belief that there is one God' is not enough - every manner of heresy springs from "I believe in God' in which the speaker goes on to describe a god of their own making.  From New Agers to devil worshipers.  The broad way - which, as Scripture tells us, leads to destruction.

Believers, as commonly used amongst Christians, are those who believe in God AND, that Jesus - the Word came in the flesh, died on a cross for our sins, was resurrected on the 3rd day, ascended into heaven and sits at the right hand of the throne of God, from whence He will come to judge the quick and the dead.  That Jesus is the Truth, the Way and the Life and that no man comes to the Father, except by Him.  (I did this off the top of my head, so apologies if I left out something major).

Those who believe in the one true God, believe in Jesus Christ Whom He sent.  But,  then we have to determine whether or not that belief is in Jesus Christ as revealed in Scripture, or if they claim belief in a Jesus who is also of their own making.

Elvisman, I think it was you who said something the other day about heresies are usually rooted in an attempt to denigrate or denude any one of the Trinity.  I paraphrased, but hope that I accurately represented what you said - because I absolutely agree with you if I understood you correctly.

Regards,
AsAChild

Giver has a pechant for absolutizing individual verses of Scripture instead of taking it ALL in context.  In other words, if a verse says that "everybody" who calls upon the name of Jesus will be saved, people like Giver say that's all you have to do.

What, then do you do with verses like Matt. 7:21, which says:
Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven,* but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven."

Believing includes obedience.
That's what I was saying to ThankfullDad.

That being said - I don't want to derail this thread.  Giver's false Gospel must be dealt with.

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« Reply #29 on: February 07, 2012, 05:09:13 PM »
To enter the kingdom of God one has to hear the Word of the Lord and live that Word.  One has to walk as Jesus walked.  One has to live a sinless life. 

The only way one can walk the way Jesus walked is to have God make his home in that person.

A sinner will never enter the kingdom of God.

The only way one can come to know God is to have God teach him or her.

(John 14:21-23) “Whoever holds to my commandments and keeps them is the one who loves me; and whoever loves me will be loved by my Father, and I shall love him and reveal myself to him.' Judas –not Judas Iscariot – said to him, ‘Lord, what has happened that you intend to show yourself to us and not to the world?  Jesus replied: Anyone who loves me will keep my word and my Father will love him, and we shall come to him and make a home in him.