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« Reply #77 on: April 01, 2012, 06:41:04 PM »
We are not talking about preaching God’s Word.  Preaching God’s Word is used to bring people to accept Jesus as their savior.  

And, its used to edify the body of Christ, Giver.  Those who know Christ as their savior, NEED to KNOW Him as their Lord as well.  It is what we use to MAKE DISCIPLES OF ALL NATIONS!  
It is what we use so that we lean not on our own understanding.
It is what we hide in our hearts, so that we might not sin against Him!

What I am talking about is after one accepts Jesus as his or her savior, then they need to allow Jesus/Holy Spirit to teach him or her.

(1 John 2:27) “But you have not lost the anointing that he gave you, and you do not need anyone to teach you, the anointing he gave teaches you everything; you are anointed with truth, not a lie, and as it has taught you, so you must stay in him.

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« Reply #78 on: April 01, 2012, 06:52:49 PM »
We are not talking about preaching God’s Word.  Preaching God’s Word is used to bring people to accept Jesus as their savior. 

And, its used to edify the body of Christ, Giver.  Those who know Christ as their savior, NEED to KNOW Him as their Lord as well.  It is what we use to MAKE DISCIPLES OF ALL NATIONS! 
It is what we use so that we lean not on our own understanding.
It is what we hide in our hearts, so that we might not sin against Him!

What I am talking about is after one accepts Jesus as his or her savior, then they need to allow Jesus/Holy Spirit to teach him or her.

(1 John 2:27) “But you have not lost the anointing that he gave you, and you do not need anyone to teach you, the anointing he gave teaches you everything; you are anointed with truth, not a lie, and as it has taught you, so you must stay in him.

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« Reply #79 on: April 01, 2012, 07:09:58 PM »
Don’t you understand?  Have I ever said the bible was not the written Word of God?  I know the Christian bible is the written Word of God, because Jesus personally told me it is the written Word.

You are ignoring the point that one can’t come to know God by reading the written Word of God.  God has to teach one to know God.

I know people who denied the existence of God, but agreed to read the Word anyway...and ended up surrendering their hearts to Him.  Who are YOU to tell people HOW God may choose to reach the lost?  His word does NOT come back void!

Isaiah 55:11  so is my word that goes out from my mouth: It will not return to me empty, but will accomplish what I desire and achieve the purpose for which I sent it

You need to see that only the Holy Spirit/Jesus can teach you to know God.  Christians have the indwelling of God, and that makes them temples of God, and if God resides in a Christian he also teaches them.

YEP. He teaches WITH the prompting of the Spirit AND with His word!  Quit trying to make it exclusive...its like you're trying to separate 1 ply toilet paper!  ::noworries::

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« Reply #80 on: April 01, 2012, 07:32:30 PM »
Don’t you understand?  Have I ever said the bible was not the written Word of God?  I know the Christian bible is the written Word of God, because Jesus personally told me it is the written Word.

You are ignoring the point that one can’t come to know God by reading the written Word of God.  God has to teach one to know God.

I know people who denied the existence of God, but agreed to read the Word anyway...and ended up surrendering their hearts to Him.  Who are YOU to tell people HOW God may choose to reach the lost?  His word does NOT come back void!

Isaiah 55:11  so is my word that goes out from my mouth: It will not return to me empty, but will accomplish what I desire and achieve the purpose for which I sent it

You need to see that only the Holy Spirit/Jesus can teach you to know God.  Christians have the indwelling of God, and that makes them temples of God, and if God resides in a Christian he also teaches them.

YEP. He teaches WITH the prompting of the Spirit AND with His word!  Quit trying to make it exclusive...its like you're trying to separate 1 ply toilet paper!  ::noworries::


When one reads the written Word of God all he or she understands is what they personally understand from the Word.  If  one listens to what someone else tells them the Word says, and they receive is what that person understands.
Only God can teach one to understand the written Word of God.

Ask yourself do you still sin?  If you do then you do not know God, nor have you ever seen God.

A person can read the bible all day every day, and will never come to know God.

How many people do you know of that don’t sin?  Tell me how many people do you know that God personally teaches?

Christianity is a spiritual walk with God, and one has to have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit to begin that walk.  The Holy Spirit personally communicates with the people he has made an indw

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« Reply #81 on: April 01, 2012, 07:52:05 PM »
When one reads the written Word of God all he or she understands is what they personally understand from the Word. 

Thats not what God's word says, Giver.  Isaiah 55:11  so is my word that goes out from my mouth: It will not return to me empty, but will accomplish what I desire and achieve the purpose for which I sent it

If  one listens to what someone else tells them the Word says, and they receive is what that person understands.
And that is where the Spirit comes into play...a believer hears something someone interprets about the word and the Spirit brings to mind remembrances of the word to weigh it out.  If what is shared contradicts scripture, it is false and a lie and can be rejected!  ::smile::

Only God can teach one to understand the written Word of God.

Yes, ultimately, this is true...BUT, Giver, He doesn't want it to be separated apart from each other, for Heaven's sake!   We have to actively HIDE His word in.our.hearts! (Just like scripture tells us!) He doesn't just infuse His word in.

Ask yourself do you still sin?  If you do then you do not know God, nor have you ever seen God.


Don't have to ask.  I know I do, but I know the rest of what you say is a lie, because I know God's word promises me I have an advocate on high. He promises He will never leave or forsake me. He promises He remains faithful when I am faithless.  He promises to cleanse me from all unrighteousness and cast my sin as far as east from west and remember it no more!  ::smile::
You play the role of the accuser, Giver...that's not really a good thing to do, you know.

A person can read the bible all day every day, and will never come to know God.

yes, that may be true, but that doesn't mean it is true absolutely.  What of those who HAVE come to know God BECAUSE of His word?

How many people do you know of that don’t sin?  Tell me how many people do you know that God personally teaches?

Not a one...even those that claim they are with out sin...
Those whose hearts are inhabited by the Holy Spirit have Him as their guide, convictor and teacher.  He leads them.

Christianity is a spiritual walk with God, and one has to have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit to begin that walk.  The Holy Spirit personally communicates with the people he has made an indw

Yup..and He brings to their minds remembrances of HIS word, that has been hidden in the heart and that has just been read but not committed to memory.  How do I know this?  He does it for me all.the.time!  ::smile::

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« Reply #82 on: April 02, 2012, 06:58:43 AM »
When one reads the written Word of God all he or she understands is what they personally understand from the Word. 

Thats not what God's word says, Giver.  Isaiah 55:11  so is my word that goes out from my mouth: It will not return to me empty, but will accomplish what I desire and achieve the purpose for which I sent it

If  one listens to what someone else tells them the Word says, and they receive is what that person understands.
And that is where the Spirit comes into play...a believer hears something someone interprets about the word and the Spirit brings to mind remembrances of the word to weigh it out.  If what is shared contradicts scripture, it is false and a lie and can be rejected!  ::smile::

Only God can teach one to understand the written Word of God.

Yes, ultimately, this is true...BUT, Giver, He doesn't want it to be separated apart from each other, for Heaven's sake!   We have to actively HIDE His word in.our.hearts! (Just like scripture tells us!) He doesn't just infuse His word in.

Ask yourself do you still sin?  If you do then you do not know God, nor have you ever seen God.


Don't have to ask.  I know I do, but I know the rest of what you say is a lie, because I know God's word promises me I have an advocate on high. He promises He will never leave or forsake me. He promises He remains faithful when I am faithless.  He promises to cleanse me from all unrighteousness and cast my sin as far as east from west and remember it no more!  ::smile::
You play the role of the accuser, Giver...that's not really a good thing to do, you know.

A person can read the bible all day every day, and will never come to know God.

yes, that may be true, but that doesn't mean it is true absolutely.  What of those who HAVE come to know God BECAUSE of His word?

How many people do you know of that don’t sin?  Tell me how many people do you know that God personally teaches?

Not a one...even those that claim they are with out sin...
Those whose hearts are inhabited by the Holy Spirit have Him as their guide, convictor and teacher.  He leads them.

Christianity is a spiritual walk with God, and one has to have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit to begin that walk.  The Holy Spirit personally communicates with the people he has made an indw

Yup..and He brings to their minds remembrances of HIS word, that has been hidden in the heart and that has just been read but not committed to memory.  How do I know this?  He does it for me all.the.time!  ::smile::
With out the indwelling of God one could never become perfect.  With God all things are possisible. 

One only needs to be close to God to defeat Satan/sin.

One needs to understand that to know God is to live a holy life.  If one sins he or she does not know God, nor have they seen God.

The measuring stick to gage if one is a Christian is sin.  A Christian does not sin.

When one who has been given the Holy Spirit deliberately commits a sin; they are rejecting God’s power given to them to reject Satan/sin.  Such an act is a terrible insult to God.

(1 John 3: 5 - 6) “ Now you know that He appeared in order to abolish sin, and that in Him there is no sin; anyone who lives in God does not sin, and anyone who sins has never seen Him or known Him.

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« Reply #83 on: April 02, 2012, 07:08:18 AM »
With out the indwelling of God one could never become perfect.  With God all things are possisible. 

One only needs to be close to God to defeat Satan/sin.
No, we only needs JESUS to defeat Satan for us.   satan has no power or authority in our lives when we are covered by the blood of the Lamb. That is why when/if we sin, Jesus is our advocate on High!  That is why the Holy Spirit pricks and convicts our hearts of our sin areas; Satan has no authority over us, GOD does and He is faithful and just to forgive us and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.    God sees us as perfect because the Perfect Lamb of God stands and covers us with His robes of righteousness.

One needs to understand that to know God is to live a holy life.  If one sins he or she does not know God, nor have they seen God.

If one sins, they DO know God, they KNOW they are forgiven, sealed with the Holy Spirit, held in the palm of His hand and NOTHING can pluck them out!  They KNOW they are in the process of being made like Him and God will not give up, because He began a good work and will be faithful to complete it until the day of Christ Jesus!  ::amen!::  They know that our sin is thrown as far as east to west and remembered no more!

The measuring stick to gage if one is a Christian is sin.  A Christian does not sin.

The measuring stick is the fruit produced in their life; 
love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control...
One with the fruit of Jesus guiding their life KNOWS that God is against the proud but gives GRACE to the humble!  They KNOW their righteousness is NOTHING but FILTHY rags before the Lord!
They know God's compassion and forgiveness.

When one who has been given the Holy Spirit deliberately commits a sin; they are rejecting God’s power given to them to reject Satan/sin.  Such an act is a terrible insult to God.

Yes, it is..and it grieves His heart more than we will ever be able to comprehend in this lifetime, BUT, His insult is NOT greater than His capacity to FORGIVE, to CLEANSE, to PARDON!
THAT is the WHOLE point of the gospel, Giver!  THE.WHOLE.POINT!!!!

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« Reply #84 on: April 02, 2012, 07:30:09 AM »
With out the indwelling of God one could never become perfect.  With God all things are possisible. 

One only needs to be close to God to defeat Satan/sin.
No, we only needs JESUS to defeat Satan for us.   satan has no power or authority in our lives when we are covered by the blood of the Lamb. That is why when/if we sin, Jesus is our advocate on High!  That is why the Holy Spirit pricks and convicts our hearts of our sin areas; Satan has no authority over us, GOD does and He is faithful and just to forgive us and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.    God sees us as perfect because the Perfect Lamb of God stands and covers us with His robes of righteousness.

One needs to understand that to know God is to live a holy life.  If one sins he or she does not know God, nor have they seen God.

If one sins, they DO know God, they KNOW they are forgiven, sealed with the Holy Spirit, held in the palm of His hand and NOTHING can pluck them out!  They KNOW they are in the process of being made like Him and God will not give up, because He began a good work and will be faithful to complete it until the day of Christ Jesus!  ::amen!::  They know that our sin is thrown as far as east to west and remembered no more!

The measuring stick to gage if one is a Christian is sin.  A Christian does not sin.

The measuring stick is the fruit produced in their life; 
love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control...
One with the fruit of Jesus guiding their life KNOWS that God is against the proud but gives GRACE to the humble!  They KNOW their righteousness is NOTHING but FILTHY rags before the Lord!
They know God's compassion and forgiveness.

When one who has been given the Holy Spirit deliberately commits a sin; they are rejecting God’s power given to them to reject Satan/sin.  Such an act is a terrible insult to God.

Yes, it is..and it grieves His heart more than we will ever be able to comprehend in this lifetime, BUT, His insult is NOT greater than His capacity to FORGIVE, to CLEANSE, to PARDON!
THAT is the WHOLE point of the gospel, Giver!  THE.WHOLE.POINT!!!!
(Hebrews 10:26-31) “If, after we have been given knowledge of the truth, we should deliberately commit any sins, then there is no longer any sacrifice for them.  There is left only the dreadful prospect of judgment and of the fiery wrath that is to devour your enemies.  Anyone who disregards the Law of Moses is ruthlessly put to death on the word of two witnesses or three; and you may be sure that anyone who tramples on the Son of God, and who treats the blood of the covenant which sanctified him as if it were not holy, and who insults the Spirit of grace, will be condemned to a far severer punishment.  We are all aware who it was that said: Vengeance is mine; I will vindicate his people.  It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

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« Reply #85 on: April 02, 2012, 07:41:31 AM »
(Hebrews 10:26-31) “If, after we have been given knowledge of the truth, we should deliberately commit any sins, then there is no longer any sacrifice for them.  There is left only the dreadful prospect of judgment and of the fiery wrath that is to devour your enemies.  Anyone who disregards the Law of Moses is ruthlessly put to death on the word of two witnesses or three; and you may be sure that anyone who tramples on the Son of God, and who treats the blood of the covenant which sanctified him as if it were not holy, and who insults the Spirit of grace, will be condemned to a far severer punishment.  We are all aware who it was that said: Vengeance is mine; I will vindicate his people.  It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

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« Reply #86 on: April 02, 2012, 08:36:24 AM »
(Hebrews 10:26-31) “If, after we have been given knowledge of the truth, we should deliberately commit any sins, then there is no longer any sacrifice for them.  There is left only the dreadful prospect of judgment and of the fiery wrath that is to devour your enemies.  Anyone who disregards the Law of Moses is ruthlessly put to death on the word of two witnesses or three; and you may be sure that anyone who tramples on the Son of God, and who treats the blood of the covenant which sanctified him as if it were not holy, and who insults the Spirit of grace, will be condemned to a far severer punishment.  We are all aware who it was that said: Vengeance is mine; I will vindicate his people.  It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

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Re: Who taught you about God? Who is your God?
« Reply #87 on: April 02, 2012, 08:49:35 AM »
There is no condemnation for those who are in Christ.  That is so true.  What is so sad is that no one who sins is in Christ, but are in Satan.

There you go again, Giver...giving lips over to the accuser of the brethren.  ::frown::  Breaks my heart for you, it really does.

What about Peter, Giver.  He DENIED Christ THREE times. DENIED Him.  And then, along comes Jesus and asks Peter THREE times "Do you love Me?" It wasn't an accident.

Further, Jesus tells us 

Matthew 26:28
This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.

In Luke 6 He calls us to "Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful."

LOOK. Giver at what God promises He has done!
Colossians 1:13
For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves,

LOVE this!
Hebrews 10:16-23
This is the covenant I will make with them after that time, says the Lord. I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds."Then he adds: "Their sins and lawless acts I will remember no more."And where these have been forgiven, there is no longer any sacrifice for sin. Therefore, brothers, since we have confidence to enter the Most Holy Place by the blood of Jesus, by a new and living way opened for us through the curtain, that is, his body, and since we have a great priest over the house of God, let us draw near to God with a sincere heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled to cleanse us from a guilty conscience and having our bodies washed with pure water. Let us hold unswervingly to the hope we profess, for he who promised is faithful.

And this:
James 5:16
Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective.

Don't forget THIS:
1 John 1:7
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin.


People who sin tell other they love Jesus, but are willing to insult the God they say they love, by sinning.  This is done even thought Jesus has given us the power to never sin.

People who say that DON'T sin are willing to insult the God they say they love by, bragging, being proud, by picking the specks instead of dealing with their own log of denial.  This is done even though Jesus has given us the PROMISE to forgive us our sin.  ::frown::

God disciplines those He loves, Giver. If you never sin, you've never been disciplined and that should concern you!


 



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« Reply #88 on: April 02, 2012, 09:16:40 AM »
There is no condemnation for those who are in Christ.  That is so true.  What is so sad is that no one who sins is in Christ, but are in Satan.

There you go again, Giver...giving lips over to the accuser of the brethren.  ::frown::  Breaks my heart for you, it really does.

What about Peter, Giver.  He DENIED Christ THREE times. DENIED Him.  And then, along comes Jesus and asks Peter THREE times "Do you love Me?" It wasn't an accident.

Further, Jesus tells us 

Matthew 26:28
This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.

In Luke 6 He calls us to "Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful."

LOOK. Giver at what God promises He has done!
Colossians 1:13
For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves,

LOVE this!
Hebrews 10:16-23
This is the covenant I will make with them after that time, says the Lord. I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds."Then he adds: "Their sins and lawless acts I will remember no more."And where these have been forgiven, there is no longer any sacrifice for sin. Therefore, brothers, since we have confidence to enter the Most Holy Place by the blood of Jesus, by a new and living way opened for us through the curtain, that is, his body, and since we have a great priest over the house of God, let us draw near to God with a sincere heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled to cleanse us from a guilty conscience and having our bodies washed with pure water. Let us hold unswervingly to the hope we profess, for he who promised is faithful.

And this:
James 5:16
Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective.

Don't forget THIS:
1 John 1:7
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin.


People who sin tell other they love Jesus, but are willing to insult the God they say they love, by sinning.  This is done even thought Jesus has given us the power to never sin.

People who say that DON'T sin are willing to insult the God they say they love by, bragging, being proud, by picking the specks instead of dealing with their own log of denial.  This is done even though Jesus has given us the PROMISE to forgive us our sin.  ::frown::

God disciplines those He loves, Giver. If you never sin, you've never been disciplined and that should concern you!


 



People who sin don’t know God. 

(1 John 3: 5 - 6) “ Now you know that He appeared in order to abolish sin, and that in Him there is no sin; anyone who lives in God does not sin, and anyone who sins has never seen Him or known Him.

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« Reply #89 on: April 02, 2012, 02:14:53 PM »
People who sin don’t know God. 

(1 John 3: 5 - 6) “ Now you know that He appeared in order to abolish sin, and that in Him there is no sin; anyone who lives in God does not sin, and anyone who sins has never seen Him or known Him.