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Why Defend the Accuracy of the Bible?
« on: Fri Jan 23, 2015 - 22:10:31 »
Why do we find it so important to defend the accuracy of the bible when the early churches didn't have all of the writings we call the New Testament, considered some writings authoritative that we don't have in our bibles, didn't preserve manuscripts so we would always have a 100% accurate text to base our translations on, and God didn't provide for perfect translations (as if that's even possible) or a perfect way to interpret what we do have (unless you think the Catholic Magisterium is infallible).  IOW, what's the point in saying the bible, in their original manuscripts is inerrant when we don't have those and what we do have we admit to being flawed and we admit there are so many issues with translation and even more issues with interpretation? If we don't have perfection all along the way what's the point in having perfection in the first step (assuming we even know which writings are the perfect ones)?

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Re: Why Defend the Accuracy of the Bible?
« Reply #1 on: Fri Jan 23, 2015 - 22:22:43 »
Dont you think that God was perfectly able to make sure that what HE wanted in the Bible was in the Bible?

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Re: Why Defend the Accuracy of the Bible?
« Reply #2 on: Fri Jan 23, 2015 - 22:32:05 »
Dont you think that God was perfectly able to make sure that what HE wanted in the Bible was in the Bible?

He's surely able but the facts of history show he didn't give much effort towards that end. For the first 400 years of the church no two churches in Christendom had the same "bible" so it wouldn't have mattered whether He got His stuff in there and nobody else's. Christian leaders were still using sources that later councils considered wrong and were excluded from the canon.

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Re: Why Defend the Accuracy of the Bible?
« Reply #3 on: Fri Jan 23, 2015 - 22:36:18 »
Dont you think that God was perfectly able to make sure that what HE wanted in the Bible was in the Bible?

He's surely able but the facts of history show he didn't give much effort towards that end. For the first 400 years of the church no two churches in Christendom had the same "bible" so it wouldn't have mattered whether He got His stuff in there and nobody else's. Christian leaders were still using sources that later councils considered wrong and were excluded from the canon.

I believe that what we have today is what He wants there, and yes its His word and we should defend it.

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Re: Why Defend the Accuracy of the Bible?
« Reply #4 on: Fri Jan 23, 2015 - 22:39:08 »
With the thread title here there is obviously an apparent alternative to defending the Bible's accuracy, so lets hear it please.

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Re: Why Defend the Accuracy of the Bible?
« Reply #5 on: Fri Jan 23, 2015 - 22:40:00 »
If you're OK with errors in what you defend then great because he didn't give us a perfect bible any more than he gave us a perfect interpreter such as the Catholics claim.

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« Reply #6 on: Fri Jan 23, 2015 - 23:11:30 »
If you're OK with errors in what you defend then great because he didn't give us a perfect bible any more than he gave us a perfect interpreter such as the Catholics claim.

Wow, you are on a roll today huh? Dribble...

Lets say there are two documents. One says "yes" and the other says "no".
Ten years later, you and a group of like minded people decide to get together to determine which documents is correct.
After study, debate and logic thinking you come to the conclusion that the "yes" document is correct and the "no" document is wrong.

A) Is it the authors fault it took you ten years to call off the meeting? You could have called off a meeting in the first year.
B) Regardless the time it took you to decide, the "yes" document was correct from the start
C) The "yes" document was available from the onset.
D) Imagine in the ten years someone decides to write a document called "maybe". Would you blame the author of the "yes" document for allowing that to happen?
E) Now that you and your like minded people have decided, not only a defense of your choice is logical...it becomes a necessity.

Your question is moot because the simple fact that a decision is made, demands the presence of a defense.
Without the defense the decision would be subjective and accuracy would be lost.

Simple no?

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Re: Why Defend the Accuracy of the Bible?
« Reply #7 on: Fri Jan 23, 2015 - 23:48:22 »
You kinda miss the point, don't you. The church survived, nay, THRIVED, for 400 years before any consensus was made on which documents were "sanctioned", and that wasn't even for the purpose of developing a set of doctrines, it was to "approve" what was read in church (remember the people were illiterate so all they got was what was read to them), and then it took hundreds of years for that canon to be widely used in the church. There simply was no "accuracy" with regard to what the Christians could use to develop doctrine, and there was no unified doctrine on much of anything. Bishops were free to improvise and improvise they did. They could quote any source they wanted, with impunity. So again I ask, what's the point in defending the "accuracy" of the bible when we don't even know if all 66 books we have are what God wanted in our bible or that he even wanted us to have a bible and not what they had for the first 400 years which was everyone had his own collection of favorite writings?

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« Reply #8 on: Sat Jan 24, 2015 - 00:18:44 »
Krsto, you're right, in that the church thrived in those years, and history has even shown us she got weaker and less influential, for lack of a better term, after Nicaea. But I wouldn't so much as say it's in regards to the Scriptures themselves as much as it regards the very structure of that church. The more men took control, the less God demonstrated himself, and the council of Nicaea is but another symptom of that flawed structure, the very fact they felt they needed a meeting to decide a standardized canon of Scripture.

But with that said, the Scriptures are still good and has a level of power and authority within them. I've had a strong spiritual experience myself with a KJV bible, and I in no way call that the greatest translation or even the purest origin. Nonetheless... It does show Truth, and even in erred manuscripts God will use evil for good and show His people the Truth among errors. If anything, it's that very Truth that is to be defended, and no other thing we have is as complete in the collection of such as our bibles are.

Paul wrote that we are to be able to defend the reason of our faith, but surely he meant more than just proving the validity and accuracy of the Scriptures. How valid can you actually show the Scriptures are among a heathen world when it's simply considered another religious text among many?
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Re: Why Defend the Accuracy of the Bible?
« Reply #9 on: Sat Jan 24, 2015 - 00:28:21 »
Yeah, I agree. Once we realize our faith is not on a book, but on Christ, as was the early church, then we can start to have the "faith that was once and for all delivered to the saints." Also, if we can just admit the bible has contradictions, fables, a non-scientifically accurate portrayal of beginnings, etc., then we can spread the Christian faith rather than some modern invention called Evangelicalism. It no longer matters if the earth was created in 6 literal 24 hour days or the author of Genesis borrowed on some motifs from ancient Babylonian paganism to teach spiritual truths they agreed with.

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Re: Why Defend the Accuracy of the Bible?
« Reply #10 on: Sat Jan 24, 2015 - 05:10:04 »
If you're OK with errors in what you defend then great because he didn't give us a perfect bible any more than he gave us a perfect interpreter such as the Catholics claim.

IF you dont think the Bible is reliable then your whole faith is on very shaky ground. Gods word is 'powerful and active and sharper than any 2 edged sword'  There is real power in the Word of God. It is as God wanted it.

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Re: Why Defend the Accuracy of the Bible?
« Reply #11 on: Sat Jan 24, 2015 - 05:49:11 »
Why do we find it so important to defend the accuracy of the bible

No Christian feels that he has to defend the word of God, to be God's testimony to us concerning truth~the reason being, is that, it comes down to faith, and faith is not something that any man has the power to give to another person.....faith is a gift from God to his children. 

Philippians 1:29

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when the early churches didn't have all of the writings we call the New Testament

Pure assumption on your part, and cannot be proven!  The scriptures said otherwise:

2 Peter 3:16

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"As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction."

 Peter said that Paul's epistles were already part of the holy scriptures!

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considered some writings authoritative that we don't have in our bibles, didn't preserve manuscripts so we would always have a 100% accurate text to base our translations on,

How do you know that to be true?  WHERE you there?  Of course not, yet you believe that to be so, yet do not have faith to believe that we have the word of God, in our own language, as other nations do in their, at least most do, and the ones that God wanted them to have the scriptures, do have them. 

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God didn't provide for perfect translations (as if that's even possible)

All scriptures are nothing more than handed down translations made ready for us by scribes, since Moses first gave them to Israel.....yet, no where do we ever read where Jesus, or the apostles, ever mention that we did not have the word of God, just as God gave them to Moses and prophets of old.  The apostles went forth from Jerusalem and reason out of THE SCRIPTURES, things concerning JESUS, and never doubted if what they were using was NOT the word of God.  God's children have always trusted what they had to be the word of God.  You are nothing more than a mocker, that has nothing more than pure assumptions, and speculations guiding him, which will cause you to wander in darkness, not ever knowing any truth. 

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a perfect way to interpret what we do have


You do not, but God's children do~because we KNOW that God has kept his promises to us, in protecting his word from men like you!  (Psalm 12)  By FAITH we believe this to be so~sorry you lack the faith of God's elect.

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what's the point in saying the bible, in their original manuscripts is inerrant when we don't have those

Well, praise God, you are totally correct with that statement.  That why I have always said: "I care less what the original said, since no man has ever seen them, and will never see them"..we have the God's word in our own language, and by faith we must trust God, that we do indeed.  It is a matter of FAITH.  Sooner or later, a blind hog will find an acorn. 

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what we do have we admit to being flawed and we admit there are so many issues with translation

I have never seen one~care to point them out?

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even more issues with interpretation

This has not one thing to do with whether or not, we have the word of God in our own tongue, not one thing.  Same problem in Jesus' day when he was opposed many times over with his truth being different than the Pharisees and others.  Your prove not one thing with this weak arugment.

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If we don't have perfection all along the way what's the point in having perfection in the first step (assuming we even know which writings are the perfect ones)?

Children of FAITH know the truth, and that truth sets them free from mockers like you.

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Yeah, I agree. Once we realize our faith is not on a book, but on Christ

First, we cannot, nor do we desire to do so, separate the scriptures from Christ, and Christ from the scriptures~that's impossible.  Try another fiery dart. 
 
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« Reply #12 on: Sat Jan 24, 2015 - 06:34:39 »
You kinda miss the point, don't you. The church survived, nay, THRIVED, for 400 years before any consensus was made on which documents were "sanctioned", and that wasn't even for the purpose of developing a set of doctrines, it was to "approve" what was read in church (remember the people were illiterate so all they got was what was read to them), and then it took hundreds of years for that canon to be widely used in the church. There simply was no "accuracy" with regard to what the Christians could use to develop doctrine, and there was no unified doctrine on much of anything. Bishops were free to improvise and improvise they did. They could quote any source they wanted, with impunity. So again I ask, what's the point in defending the "accuracy" of the bible when we don't even know if all 66 books we have are what God wanted in our bible or that he even wanted us to have a bible and not what they had for the first 400 years which was everyone had his own collection of favorite writings?

So what? For thousands of years the Jews didn't dispute the accuracy of the Torah and the Prophets.
You didn't see Jesus going around disputing the accuracy of these books.

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Re: Why Defend the Accuracy of the Bible?
« Reply #13 on: Sat Jan 24, 2015 - 07:08:26 »
If you're OK with errors in what you defend then great because he didn't give us a perfect bible any more than he gave us a perfect interpreter such as the Catholics claim.

IF you dont think the Bible is reliable then your whole faith is on very shaky ground. Gods word is 'powerful and active and sharper than any 2 edged sword'  There is real power in the Word of God. It is as God wanted it.


Agreed, the Bible is our literary source of the written word of God, we don't need to verify it's contents to have faith in it's accuracy. By loosely accepting scripture as fallible, where does one gain a clear understanding of God's creations, promises, plan,....?

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Re: Why Defend the Accuracy of the Bible?
« Reply #14 on: Sat Jan 24, 2015 - 08:52:09 »
If you're OK with errors in what you defend then great because he didn't give us a perfect bible any more than he gave us a perfect interpreter such as the Catholics claim.

IF you dont think the Bible is reliable then your whole faith is on very shaky ground. Gods word is 'powerful and active and sharper than any 2 edged sword'  There is real power in the Word of God. It is as God wanted it.


Agreed, the Bible is our literary source of the written word of God, we don't need to verify it's contents to have faith in it's accuracy. By loosely accepting scripture as fallible, where does one gain a clear understanding of God's creations, promises, plan,....?

I agree with you both. I have never understood those that call themselves Christians who are bent on proving the Word to be false, incomplete, a man made book, etc. ::shrug::

Without it, we have no foundation in our relationship with God.

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« Reply #15 on: Sat Jan 24, 2015 - 09:02:14 »
So what? For thousands of years the Jews didn't dispute the accuracy of the Torah and the Prophets. You didn't see Jesus going around disputing the accuracy of these books.

Amen, and neither do God fearing men and women.

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« Reply #16 on: Sat Jan 24, 2015 - 09:05:47 »
If you're OK with errors in what you defend then great because he didn't give us a perfect bible any more than he gave us a perfect interpreter such as the Catholics claim.

IF you dont think the Bible is reliable then your whole faith is on very shaky ground. Gods word is 'powerful and active and sharper than any 2 edged sword'  There is real power in the Word of God. It is as God wanted it.


Agreed, the Bible is our literary source of the written word of God, we don't need to verify it's contents to have faith in it's accuracy. By loosely accepting scripture as fallible, where does one gain a clear understanding of God's creations, promises, plan,....?

The contents of the Bible is sufficient to demonstrate its truth and accuracy.  Why else would God devote so much time and energy with His prophets and apostles to provide it to us?  If that is not the case, if the Bible is not sufficient in itself to demonstrate its truth and accuracy, then we are all on very flimsy footing.

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« Reply #17 on: Sat Jan 24, 2015 - 11:05:36 »
If you're OK with errors in what you defend then great because he didn't give us a perfect bible any more than he gave us a perfect interpreter such as the Catholics claim.

IF you dont think the Bible is reliable then your whole faith is on very shaky ground. Gods word is 'powerful and active and sharper than any 2 edged sword'  There is real power in the Word of God. It is as God wanted it.


Agreed, the Bible is our literary source of the written word of God, we don't need to verify it's contents to have faith in it's accuracy. By loosely accepting scripture as fallible, where does one gain a clear understanding of God's creations, promises, plan,....?

The contents of the Bible is sufficient to demonstrate its truth and accuracy.  Why else would God devote so much time and energy with His prophets and apostles to provide it to us?  If that is not the case, if the Bible is not sufficient in itself to demonstrate its truth and accuracy, then we are all on very flimsy footing.


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« Reply #18 on: Tue Jan 27, 2015 - 12:42:39 »
Once we realize our faith is not on a book, but on Christ, as was the early church, then we can start to have the "faith that was once and for all delivered to the saints." Also, if we can just admit the bible has contradictions, fables, a non-scientifically accurate portrayal of beginnings, etc., then we can spread the Christian faith rather than some modern invention called Evangelicalism. It no longer matters if the earth was created in 6 literal 24 hour days or the author of Genesis borrowed on some motifs from ancient Babylonian paganism to teach spiritual truths they agreed with.
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As to why Biblical Infallibility is still maintained and defended... it appears to be a problem of education. 

People have been taught that if the Bible is not 100% accurate in all aspects, then it must be completely false in everything it says.  Of course that doesn't hold up to 2 seconds if you use any logic...

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Re: Why Defend the Accuracy of the Bible?
« Reply #19 on: Thu Jan 29, 2015 - 13:48:16 »
If you're OK with errors in what you defend then great because he didn't give us a perfect bible any more than he gave us a perfect interpreter such as the Catholics claim.

IF you dont think the Bible is reliable then your whole faith is on very shaky ground. Gods word is 'powerful and active and sharper than any 2 edged sword'  There is real power in the Word of God. It is as God wanted it.


Agreed, the Bible is our literary source of the written word of God, we don't need to verify it's contents to have faith in it's accuracy. By loosely accepting scripture as fallible, where does one gain a clear understanding of God's creations, promises, plan,....?

The contents of the Bible is sufficient to demonstrate its truth and accuracy.  Why else would God devote so much time and energy with His prophets and apostles to provide it to us?  If that is not the case, if the Bible is not sufficient in itself to demonstrate its truth and accuracy, then we are all on very flimsy footing.

I agree.

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« Reply #20 on: Fri Jan 30, 2015 - 16:04:51 »
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« Reply #21 on: Fri Jan 30, 2015 - 18:43:50 »
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If we don't have perfection all along the way what's the point in having perfection in the first step (assuming we even know which writings are the perfect ones)?

Precisely.

That is the crux of the issue -- IF we don’t have “perfection.”  However, we do indeed have “perfection,” which then renders many other assumptions forfeit.

You’ve been lied to; you’ve been sold a bill of goods by the most cunning merchandiser himself, Satan.

Firstly, God could not care less about any translations per se. The Holy Bible itself chronicles for us several translations (Moses’ second set of tablets; scrolls tossed into the fire; etc.). God has no use for any "originals," otherwise he would have made certain that we had them today. Rather, the question remains, has God kept his promise? It’s NEVER been about the translators. This is why many have a problem, a disjunction between inspiration and preservation. It’s not about any translation; it’s about whether or not we believe that God has kept his promise to preserve his inspired words for ever (Psa. 12:6. 7). Presently, virtually everyone here has a fear of man, a fear of standing on the word of God they would profess to love and agreeing with God that it is inspired -- here, now, today, and not “lost” and dependent on fallible men to guide us to their “version” of it. As we’re reading this right here, right now, the majority can’t tell me that they believe they have the inspired word of God available to them, NOW, as God has promised. What a miserable state to be caught in; men will ALWAYS supplant us if we look to them to define what God’s words are.

If wanna-bee scholars could shift the burden from God's "inspired," "pure" and "preserved for ever" words to man's intellect, then they could proceed to build their ivory towers.  B. B. Warfield's fellow associates were the first to put this new “originals-only” heresy in print at the Niagara Conference in 1878 (via his novel Sola Autographa).

Secondly, another problem is that people do not understand what "inspiration" means. They’ve been taught by the world that it means God inspired men to write, etc. But that’s not what the scripture says; there’s no mention of man anywhere in that verse. It says all scripture is given by inspiration of God, by his Spirit. It’s not about man in any manner. God did not inspire any men, although this is the diversionary worldly playground that the scholars are working so hard to convince you to visit. The scripture means what it says: The word of God is alive; it is spirit (a mere breath is neither). Yes, God has indeed kept his promise to preserve HIS pure words for ever (ala Psalm 12:6, 7). We do have it. The question today is, which "words" are it, i.e. which Bible is the real deal?

Still, many of you believe, in error, that God inspired men to write God's words and, therefore, 'we better make certain we have "scholars" and "credentialed" "EXPERTS" doing the writing.'

The wanna-be scholars push for bigger and better bibles that come highly recommended and they offer 'updates' to their yes-men. It's why those modern versions of the Holy Bible must be copyrighted -- they are not an inspired work of God but works of men who claim owner$hip of them.

Let’s take a look at the relevant passage:

And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. 2 Tim. 3:15-17 AV

We see that even a child understands the holy scriptures -- no middlemen wanna-bee ‘scholars’ required!

We also see that it is God who gives scripture -- not man. Man does not even feature in this verse.

Notice that the purpose of God giving to man God’s inspired scripture is so "that the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works."

Notice how God gives scripture -- by inspiration. Nowhere does it say that God inspired men. "All scripture is given by inspiration of God." God’s Spirit (i.e. inspiration) is the vehicle with which God ‘gives all scripture’ -- God does not give scripture via any man, or by inspiring any man, or by any other means. Thus, God’s scripture has life -- it is alive, it is the living Spirit-filled words of God. Conversely, man does not have life; outside of God, man is dead. Yes, man has breath, but mere breath is not life; God’s Spirit is life. The words of men are mere breaths; whereas God’s words are Life itself. The reality of the inspiration of scripture has no connection with any efforts of man.

Obviously, these men do not know the truth about inspiration. They have not discerned and cannot discern, from their so-called bibles, the meaning and significance of the inspiration of God’s word. The reality of inspiration seriously bothers these guys, and they don’t understand why. Mention preservation, and their blood pressure kicks up even higher.

If you tell them the word of God is inspired, they’re forced to redefine the definition of the word of God to match their un-belief in inspiration. The un-inspired inventions of un-saved men is their playground. Such men and their scholarly icons can be found hiding behind the ”originals only” heresy.

Don’t let the wanna-bee scholars deceive you by their attempts to shift the inspiration of God’s living Spirit-filled words to man’s mere breath. So the next time you hear, “only the ‘Hebrew and Greek’ is the inspired text,” you’ll know the truth of the matter.

Did you not expect that these times would be as they are? The word of God has been under attack since Satan changed a single word back in the garden. Satan doesn’t change a game plan that works. Satan does not have to kill you outright to neuter your walk; he can simply flood the marketplace with 600+ modern counterfeit bibles and accomplish the same feat more easily.

Accuracy is God's end, not ours or the textual critics’ or their "versions" of it. It's not always easy to shake firmly held deceptions e.g. the "originals-only" heresy. Rather, do you believe God when he says that his words are pure and inspired, and that he has preserved his pure inspired words for ever (Psa 12)?  Do you possess his pure inspired preserved words? I do.

BTW, the “KJVO debate” is a red herring, a new arrival in the arsenal of the ‘textual critics’ -- those whose fun is in criticizing the word of God. God’s domain is a little bit larger than the “KJVO debate...”

A little leaven leavens the whole lump. Touch not the unclean thing; pass not by it. AVOID IT like the plague it is. I will set no wicked thing before mine eyes.

Sorry, critics, but the KJB text-type is not to be confused with today's KJ Bible. Today, as the vernacular Bible it is, the KJB is a relatively new arrival - not some forgone conclusion from antiquity i.e. it wasn't the 1611 KJB that "was translated by Greek & Hebrew scholars into the English language of their day." Thus, it shares no connection with men's copyrighted counterfeit "modern versions" of today.  The KJV text-type has been used historically by the church since before A.D. 360.

This is about believing that God has kept his promise to preserve his pure inspired words for ever (Psalm 12:6, 7). That pure inspired preserved for ever vernacular Bible for English speakers today happens to be the Authorized Version.

[Lest anyone scream plagiarism, this is MY post and I've posted various parts of it on other sites under my other nic's.]
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Re: Why Defend the Accuracy of the Bible?
« Reply #22 on: Mon Dec 23, 2019 - 08:20:43 »
  The "Psalm 12:6-7 thingie" is FALSE, & here's **PROOF**!

  The AV 1611, the ORIGINAL KJV, has this marginal note for the 2nd them in V.7. It reads, "Heb. him, I. Euery one of them." This shows the AV makers knew this verse is about PEOPLE.

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Re: Why Defend the Accuracy of the Bible?
« Reply #23 on: Mon Dec 23, 2019 - 20:07:24 »
  The "Psalm 12:6-7 thingie" is FALSE, & here's **PROOF**!

  The AV 1611, the ORIGINAL KJV, has this marginal note for the 2nd them in V.7. It reads, "Heb. him, I. Euery one of them." This shows the AV makers knew this verse is about PEOPLE.

More precisely, from the NET notes:

"tn The third person plural pronominal suffix on the verb is masculine, referring back to the 'oppressed' and 'needy' in v. 5 (both of those nouns are plural in form), suggesting that the verb means 'protect' here. The suffix does not refer to אִמֲרוֹת (ʾimarot, 'words') in v. 6, because that term is feminine gender."


But... Why are we resurrecting this zombie thread that's been in Sheol for almost five years?

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Re: Why Defend the Accuracy of the Bible?
« Reply #24 on: Tue Dec 24, 2019 - 07:04:22 »
I like the point someone made that the Bible we have is what God desired us to have. One truth is certain. Translations cannot be perfect, but the Word of God contained within the translation is!

 

     
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