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Re: Can man come to Jesus in and of their own freewill?
« Reply #705 on: August 24, 2008, 06:57:13 PM »
I agree, and would rather hear from God daily than be able to read the Bible with perfect clarity all the time.

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The first, hearing from God, I find a bit interesting.  What is the scriptural basis for expecting such a thing?
Genesis - Maps?  That the Bible exists at all?  Seriously, show me the Biblical book that doesn't include hearing from God.  It doesn't exist, because they are all revelation.

I am not much interested in learning from you about anything that you think you might have heard, unless you can back it up with the second.
As it should be.  Although, He doesn't usually include a command to "tell Jimmy."  When I get one of those, I'll let you know.

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That the Bible exists at all is pretty much evidence of the fact that God is probably not going to speak to you directly.  If God were speaking to each of us individually, there would be no need for the Bible at all. 

I do agree that one of the ways that the Holy Spirit works with us and for us is to help us in our studies of the Scriptures.  But that doesn't include what some refer to as the doctrine of illumination.

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« Reply #706 on: August 24, 2008, 06:57:41 PM »
Wycliffes_Shillelagh,

 Amen Brother

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« Reply #707 on: August 24, 2008, 06:59:31 PM »
Jimmy,

  I might be wrong, but I am inclined to believe that you like the fight part of this forum.

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Re: Can man come to Jesus in and of their own freewill?
« Reply #708 on: August 24, 2008, 07:02:27 PM »
That the Bible exists at all is pretty much evidence of the fact that God is probably not going to speak to you directly.  If God were speaking to each of us individually, there would be no need for the Bible at all. 
Right up to the point where someone claimed to have a revelation, but lied.

Jim, you seem to be living in Amos 8:

Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD: And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find [it].

I recommend you move your spiritual HQ to the New Testament, where God was pleased to call His name "the Word."

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« Reply #709 on: August 24, 2008, 07:20:13 PM »
: Wycliffes_Shillelagh,

    You have just received a new title. The post Master. That was a great post.

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« Reply #711 on: August 24, 2008, 07:50:33 PM »
That the Bible exists at all is pretty much evidence of the fact that God is probably not going to speak to you directly.  If God were speaking to each of us individually, there would be no need for the Bible at all. 
Right up to the point where someone claimed to have a revelation, but lied.

Jim, you seem to be living in Amos 8:

Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD: And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find [it].

I recommend you move your spiritual HQ to the New Testament, where God was pleased to call His name "the Word."

Jarrod

And........?

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Re: Can man come to Jesus in and of their own freewill?
« Reply #712 on: August 24, 2008, 08:02:58 PM »
And then listen for Him.

Do you want a Scriptural formula for hearing from God?  Look at Jesus baptism, Matthew 3.

1.  Fulfill that which you know to be righteous.
2.  Determine that God knows better than you, and endeavor to change your thinking to agree with His.  Drown yourself in His thinking.  (ie be baptized in repentance)
3.  Go.  It's easier to steer a moving boat than a stationary one.  Do something.
4.  Watch.  God shows us things - usually "what could be."  Try to make your world look like what He shows you it could look like.
5.  Be inspired.  Spiritual impetus isn't vocal, it's compulsive.  Obey the compulsions to do righteous things.  Be a hand or foot in the body of Christ.
6.  Listen.  And ask.

There's some progression there, but also a lot of overlap.

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« Reply #713 on: August 25, 2008, 02:06:49 PM »
Wycliffes_Shillelagh,

 Amen


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Re: Can man come to Jesus in and of their own freewill?
« Reply #714 on: August 27, 2008, 06:59:21 AM »
And then listen for Him.

Do you want a Scriptural formula for hearing from God?  Look at Jesus baptism, Matthew 3.

1.  Fulfill that which you know to be righteous.
2.  Determine that God knows better than you, and endeavor to change your thinking to agree with His.  Drown yourself in His thinking.  (ie be baptized in repentance)
3.  Go.  It's easier to steer a moving boat than a stationary one.  Do something.
4.  Watch.  God shows us things - usually "what could be."  Try to make your world look like what He shows you it could look like.
5.  Be inspired.  Spiritual impetus isn't vocal, it's compulsive.  Obey the compulsions to do righteous things.  Be a hand or foot in the body of Christ.
6.  Listen.  And ask.

There's some progression there, but also a lot of overlap.

Jarrod

Amen.

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Re: Can man come to Jesus in and of their own freewill?
« Reply #715 on: August 27, 2008, 07:02:11 AM »
That the Bible exists at all is pretty much evidence of the fact that God is probably not going to speak to you directly.  If God were speaking to each of us individually, there would be no need for the Bible at all. 
Right up to the point where someone claimed to have a revelation, but lied.

Jim, you seem to be living in Amos 8:

Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD: And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find [it].

I recommend you move your spiritual HQ to the New Testament, where God was pleased to call His name "the Word."

Jarrod

Another "amen". .................Here's the ludicrous-ness of the whole matter:  You know, God only wants the literate, that's why he transformed himself into parchment and ink.  Poor illiterate fellas (of course, the massive majority of the earth's population), I feel bad that God has shut them out.  But we can pat ourselves on the back, that is those of us who are literate, that God shines his face upon us.

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Re: Can man come to Jesus in and of their own freewill?
« Reply #716 on: August 27, 2008, 07:03:06 AM »
da525382,

  Haven't heard from you in a while. Where you been hiding?

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« Reply #717 on: August 27, 2008, 07:06:53 AM »
da525382,

  Haven't heard from you in a while. Where you been hiding?

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Sorry, GTM, I've been quite busy lately, but I still tune in to read your posts.  All I can say is "hoo-rah" to you, and of course, many others here, for saying things profoundly above my own head, hence my reticence to chime in much.....You guys are above my head!!

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« Reply #718 on: August 27, 2008, 07:09:20 AM »
da525382 ,

 You should join us over on another thread. It is titled, a question I would like answered. It is under theology.

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« Reply #719 on: August 27, 2008, 07:40:10 AM »
da525382 ,

 You should join us over on another thread. It is titled, a question I would like answered. It is under theology.

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Sure thing...thanks.