Author Topic: Can man come to Jesus in and of their own freewill? (Read 60256 times)

Jimmy · « **Reply #705 on:** August 24, 2008, 06:57:13 PM »

Quote from: Wycliffes_Shillelagh on August 24, 2008, 06:45:16 PM

Quote from: Jimmy on August 24, 2008, 06:12:04 PM
Quote from: Wycliffes_Shillelagh on August 24, 2008, 04:16:31 PM
I agree, and would rather hear from God daily than be able to read the Bible with perfect clarity all the time.

Jarrod

The first, hearing from God, I find a bit interesting. What is the scriptural basis for expecting such a thing?
Genesis - Maps? That the Bible exists at all? Seriously, show me the Biblical book that doesn't include hearing from God. It doesn't exist, because they are all revelation.

Quote from: Jimmy on August 24, 2008, 06:12:04 PM
I am not much interested in learning from you about anything that you think you might have heard, unless you can back it up with the second.
As it should be. Although, He doesn't usually include a command to "tell Jimmy." When I get one of those, I'll let you know.

Jarrod

That the Bible exists at all is pretty much evidence of the fact that God is probably not going to speak to you directly. If God were speaking to each of us individually, there would be no need for the Bible at all.

I do agree that one of the ways that the Holy Spirit works with us and for us is to help us in our studies of the Scriptures. But that doesn't include what some refer to as the doctrine of illumination.

Christian Forums and Message Board · « **Reply #705 on:** August 24, 2008, 06:57:13 PM »

GTM · « **Reply #706 on:** August 24, 2008, 06:57:41 PM »

Wycliffes_Shillelagh,

Amen Brother

GTM

Christian Forums and Message Board · « **Reply #706 on:** August 24, 2008, 06:57:41 PM »

GTM · « **Reply #707 on:** August 24, 2008, 06:59:31 PM »

Jimmy,

I might be wrong, but I am inclined to believe that you like the fight part of this forum.

GTM

Wycliffes_Shillelagh · « **Reply #708 on:** August 24, 2008, 07:02:27 PM »

Quote from: Jimmy on August 24, 2008, 06:57:13 PM

That the Bible exists at all is pretty much evidence of the fact that God is probably not going to speak to you directly. If God were speaking to each of us individually, there would be no need for the Bible at all.

Right up to the point where someone claimed to have a revelation, but lied.

Jim, you seem to be living in Amos 8:

Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD: And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find [it].

I recommend you move your spiritual HQ to the New Testament, where God was pleased to call His name "the Word."

Jarrod

Christian Forums and Message Board · « **Reply #708 on:** August 24, 2008, 07:02:27 PM »

GTM · « **Reply #709 on:** August 24, 2008, 07:20:13 PM »

: Wycliffes_Shillelagh,

You have just received a new title. The post Master. That was a great post.

GTM

Christian Forums and Message Board · « **Reply #709 on:** August 24, 2008, 07:20:13 PM »

Wycliffes_Shillelagh · « **Reply #710 on:** August 24, 2008, 07:30:29 PM »

Jimmy · « **Reply #711 on:** August 24, 2008, 07:50:33 PM »

Quote from: Wycliffes_Shillelagh on August 24, 2008, 07:02:27 PM

Quote from: Jimmy on August 24, 2008, 06:57:13 PM
That the Bible exists at all is pretty much evidence of the fact that God is probably not going to speak to you directly. If God were speaking to each of us individually, there would be no need for the Bible at all.
Right up to the point where someone claimed to have a revelation, but lied.

Jim, you seem to be living in Amos 8:

Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD: And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find [it].

I recommend you move your spiritual HQ to the New Testament, where God was pleased to call His name "the Word."

Jarrod

And........?

Wycliffes_Shillelagh · « **Reply #712 on:** August 24, 2008, 08:02:58 PM »

And then listen for Him.

Do you want a Scriptural formula for hearing from God? Look at Jesus baptism, Matthew 3.

1. Fulfill that which you know to be righteous.
2. Determine that God knows better than you, and endeavor to change your thinking to agree with His. Drown yourself in His thinking. (ie be baptized in repentance)
3. Go. It's easier to steer a moving boat than a stationary one. Do something.
4. Watch. God shows us things - usually "what could be." Try to make your world look like what He shows you it could look like.
5. Be inspired. Spiritual impetus isn't vocal, it's compulsive. Obey the compulsions to do righteous things. Be a hand or foot in the body of Christ.
6. Listen. And ask.

There's some progression there, but also a lot of overlap.

Jarrod

GTM · « **Reply #713 on:** August 25, 2008, 02:06:49 PM »

Wycliffes_Shillelagh,

Amen

GTM

da525382 · « **Reply #714 on:** August 27, 2008, 06:59:21 AM »

Quote from: Wycliffes_Shillelagh on August 24, 2008, 08:02:58 PM

And then listen for Him.

Do you want a Scriptural formula for hearing from God? Look at Jesus baptism, Matthew 3.

1. Fulfill that which you know to be righteous.
2. Determine that God knows better than you, and endeavor to change your thinking to agree with His. Drown yourself in His thinking. (ie be baptized in repentance)
3. Go. It's easier to steer a moving boat than a stationary one. Do something.
4. Watch. God shows us things - usually "what could be." Try to make your world look like what He shows you it could look like.
5. Be inspired. Spiritual impetus isn't vocal, it's compulsive. Obey the compulsions to do righteous things. Be a hand or foot in the body of Christ.
6. Listen. And ask.

There's some progression there, but also a lot of overlap.

Jarrod

Amen.

da525382 · « **Reply #715 on:** August 27, 2008, 07:02:11 AM »

Quote from: Wycliffes_Shillelagh on August 24, 2008, 07:02:27 PM

Quote from: Jimmy on August 24, 2008, 06:57:13 PM
That the Bible exists at all is pretty much evidence of the fact that God is probably not going to speak to you directly. If God were speaking to each of us individually, there would be no need for the Bible at all.
Right up to the point where someone claimed to have a revelation, but lied.

Jim, you seem to be living in Amos 8:

Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD: And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find [it].

I recommend you move your spiritual HQ to the New Testament, where God was pleased to call His name "the Word."

Jarrod

Another "amen". .................Here's the ludicrous-ness of the whole matter: You know, God only wants the literate, that's why he transformed himself into parchment and ink. Poor illiterate fellas (of course, the massive majority of the earth's population), I feel bad that God has shut them out. But we can pat ourselves on the back, that is those of us who are literate, that God shines his face upon us.

GTM · « **Reply #716 on:** August 27, 2008, 07:03:06 AM »

da525382,

Haven't heard from you in a while. Where you been hiding?

GTM

da525382 · « **Reply #717 on:** August 27, 2008, 07:06:53 AM »

Quote from: GTM on August 27, 2008, 07:03:06 AM

da525382,

Haven't heard from you in a while. Where you been hiding?

GTM

Sorry, GTM, I've been quite busy lately, but I still tune in to read your posts. All I can say is "hoo-rah" to you, and of course, many others here, for saying things profoundly above my own head, hence my reticence to chime in much.....You guys are above my head!!

GTM · « **Reply #718 on:** August 27, 2008, 07:09:20 AM »

da525382 ,

You should join us over on another thread. It is titled, a question I would like answered. It is under theology.

GTM

da525382 · « **Reply #719 on:** August 27, 2008, 07:40:10 AM »

Quote from: GTM on August 27, 2008, 07:09:20 AM

da525382 ,

You should join us over on another thread. It is titled, a question I would like answered. It is under theology.

GTM

Sure thing...thanks.

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