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« on: August 19, 2008, 08:34:45 AM »

Resistible Grace

That this grace of God is the beginning, continuance, and accomplishment of all good, even to the extent that the regenerate man himself, without prevenient or assisting, awakening, following and cooperative grace, can neither think, will, nor do good, nor withstand any temptations to evil; so that all good deeds or movements that can be conceived must be ascribed to the grace of God in Christ. But with respect to the mode of the operation of this grace, it is not irresistible, since it is written concerning many, that they have resisted the Holy Spirit (Acts 7, and elsewhere in many places).

Yes, no, or maybe so?
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« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2008, 09:28:33 AM »

Resistible Grace

That this grace of God is the beginning, continuance, and accomplishment of all good, even to the extent that the regenerate man himself, without prevenient or assisting, awakening, following and cooperative grace, can neither think, will, nor do good, nor withstand any temptations to evil; so that all good deeds or movements that can be conceived must be ascribed to the grace of God in Christ. But with respect to the mode of the operation of this grace, it is not irresistible, since it is written concerning many, that they have resisted the Holy Spirit (Acts 7, and elsewhere in many places).

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God's grace in drawing someone to salvation is resistible to everyone except sheep. Their master and Shepard promises that they will "hear and follow."
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« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2008, 10:12:50 AM »

To resist means to strive against, to oppose, to withstand.  If it is not offered, there is nothing to oppose.  If I have not offered to give you a million dollars, you cannot oppose my giving it to you.

Resisting grace if it is not offered is not resisting anything.  Resisting grace that is not offered is an oxymoron. 
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« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2008, 10:27:11 PM »

Resistible Grace

That this grace of God is the beginning, continuance, and accomplishment of all good, even to the extent that the regenerate man himself, without prevenient or assisting, awakening, following and cooperative grace, can neither think, will, nor do good, nor withstand any temptations to evil; so that all good deeds or movements that can be conceived must be ascribed to the grace of God in Christ. But with respect to the mode of the operation of this grace, it is not irresistible, since it is written concerning many, that they have resisted the Holy Spirit (Acts 7, and elsewhere in many places).

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What do you think of  1 Corinthians  6:1   We then, [as] workers together [with him], beseech [you] also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain. 
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« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2008, 12:02:04 PM »

Resistible Grace

That this grace of God is the beginning, continuance, and accomplishment of all good, even to the extent that the regenerate man himself, without prevenient or assisting, awakening, following and cooperative grace, can neither think, will, nor do good, nor withstand any temptations to evil; so that all good deeds or movements that can be conceived must be ascribed to the grace of God in Christ. But with respect to the mode of the operation of this grace, it is not irresistible, since it is written concerning many, that they have resisted the Holy Spirit (Acts 7, and elsewhere in many places).

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Would you agree,that apart from Grace, no one is saved?
If your answer is... Yes you do agree tell me why Grace is indispensible.
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« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2008, 12:13:04 PM »

Resistible Grace

That this grace of God is the beginning, continuance, and accomplishment of all good, even to the extent that the regenerate man himself, without prevenient or assisting, awakening, following and cooperative grace, can neither think, will, nor do good, nor withstand any temptations to evil; so that all good deeds or movements that can be conceived must be ascribed to the grace of God in Christ. But with respect to the mode of the operation of this grace, it is not irresistible, since it is written concerning many, that they have resisted the Holy Spirit (Acts 7, and elsewhere in many places).

Yes, no, or maybe so?

Would you agree,that apart from Grace, no one is saved?
If your answer is... Yes you do agree tell me why Grace is indispensible.
Without Grace...no one could keep any or all of God's commandments, which is a requirement for gaining eternal life.

Romans  1:5   By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name: 
  1:6   Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:
 
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« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2008, 11:21:01 PM »

Well grace is just favor.  So, is it possible to have salvation if God does not show favor?  No, I suppose not.  But the real work is done by us through faith.
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« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2008, 11:15:50 AM »

Well grace is just favor.  So, is it possible to have salvation if God does not show favor?  No, I suppose not.  But the real work is done by us through faith.
Yes,
Grace, is one of the 'tools', God gives us freely, to help us attain to eternal life.

The Plan of Salvatiuon is based on FREE God-given power, by which human effort uses, to accomplish our own Salvation.

In other words, human efforts without Divine help will accomplish nothing.
And, the reverse is also true.

The Plan of Salvation requires the combination of God's power, and human effort.

God supplies the power, humans supply the choice to use that power, which is so freely given, to each and every individual who wants it.

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« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2008, 09:24:17 AM »

Well grace is just favor.  So, is it possible to have salvation if God does not show favor?  No, I suppose not.  But the real work is done by us through faith.

 from Ephesians 2:8 and it reads: "By grace are ye saved, through faith and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God."
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« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2008, 10:42:44 PM »

That's pretty much what I said, isn't it?

Because of Gods favor we are able to be saved, by means of faith.  I could talk on that verse all day.
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« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2008, 01:59:28 PM »

That's pretty much what I said, isn't it?

Because of Gods favor we are able to be saved, by means of faith.  I could talk on that verse all day.

1 Cor 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may know the things freely given to us by God,
  1 Cor 2:13 which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words.
  1 Cor 2:14 But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.
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« Reply #11 on: November 19, 2008, 06:16:18 PM »

That's pretty much what I said, isn't it?

Because of Gods favor we are able to be saved, by means of faith.  I could talk on that verse all day.

1 Cor 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may know the things freely given to us by God,
  1 Cor 2:13 which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words.
  1 Cor 2:14 But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.

I see nothing but harmony here with what I said.
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« Reply #12 on: November 20, 2008, 04:14:43 PM »

Well grace is just favor.  So, is it possible to have salvation if God does not show favor?  No, I suppose not.  But the real work is done by us through faith.
Yes,
Grace, is one of the 'tools', God gives us freely, to help us attain to eternal life.

The Plan of Salvatiuon is based on FREE God-given power, by which human effort uses, to accomplish our own Salvation.

In other words, human efforts without Divine help will accomplish nothing.
And, the reverse is also true.

The Plan of Salvation requires the combination of God's power, and human effort.

God supplies the power, humans supply the choice to use that power, which is so freely given, to each and every individual who wants it.



3AM, This sounds dangerously close to Pelagianism or semi-Pelgianism, and contradicts Paul, who wrote to the Galatians:

Did you receive the Spirit by observing the law, or by believing what you heard? (3:2)

And wrote to the Ephesians:

For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast. (2:8-9)

When Paul uses "law," in that specific instance he meant the Law of Moses, but by extension he also meant ANY attempt to be saved and justified by works of any kind. That's why the translators render it "law" with a lower-case l.

God's grace is not just favor, but unmerited favor. It is not a "tool" whereby we work to save ourselves. It is God's free gift of salvation to all those who call upon  the name of the Lord.

The "Plan of Salvation" is Jesus death, burial and resurrection. The only "effort" required of us is belief in Christ and calling upon his name. (See Romans 10)

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« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2008, 08:50:31 PM »


The "Plan of Salvation" is Jesus death, burial and resurrection. The only "effort" required of us is belief in Christ and calling upon his name. (See Romans 10)

Pax.

What do you think is meant by "calling upon his name"?
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« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2008, 05:18:03 PM »


The "Plan of Salvation" is Jesus death, burial and resurrection. The only "effort" required of us is belief in Christ and calling upon his name. (See Romans 10)

Pax.

What do you think is meant by "calling upon his name"?
There are conditions to that.

 The negative is.....

Isaiah  59:2   But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid [his] face from you, that he will not hear. 

Proverbs  28:9   He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer [shall be] abomination. 


So the positive is simply the reverse of those Bible verses, right ?
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