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« Reply #15 on: November 28, 2008, 11:35:08 AM »

Even the least attempt to earn salvation, robs Christ of His Glory!
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« Reply #16 on: November 28, 2008, 12:27:01 PM »

Even the least attempt to earn salvation, robs Christ of His Glory!

If I sent you a million dollars by Fed Ex as a free gift, do you think having to open the box would mean that you had earnedthe money?  No I don't think you would, but that is the argument that you make about doing anything to receive the free gift of salvation.  Thinking that you earned the million dollar gift by merely opening the box is pretty silly, don't you think?
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« Reply #17 on: November 28, 2008, 12:30:00 PM »

Well grace is just favor.  So, is it possible to have salvation if God does not show favor?  No, I suppose not.  But the real work is done by us through faith.
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Grace, is one of the 'tools', God gives us freely, to help us attain to eternal life.

The Plan of Salvatiuon is based on FREE God-given power, by which human effort uses, to accomplish our own Salvation.

In other words, human efforts without Divine help will accomplish nothing.
And, the reverse is also true.

The Plan of Salvation requires the combination of God's power, and human effort.

God supplies the power, humans supply the choice to use that power, which is so freely given, to each and every individual who wants it.

Grace has been shown to us through Jesus on the cross. Grace is favor or kindness. The favor of God, or the Kindness of God.

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Rom 1:17  For in the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: "The righteous will live by faith." (NIV)

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« Reply #18 on: November 28, 2008, 12:40:05 PM »

Even the least attempt to earn salvation, robs Christ of His Glory!


Nothing robs Christ of His Glory!  His Glory doesn't depend on us.
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« Reply #19 on: November 28, 2008, 12:51:55 PM »

Resistable Grace:
2 Corinthians  6:1   We then, [as] workers together [with him], beseech [you] also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain. 

The key words here are:  'workers...together with Him'
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« Reply #20 on: November 28, 2008, 01:47:35 PM »

Even the least attempt to earn salvation, robs Christ of His Glory!

If I sent you a million dollars by Fed Ex as a free gift, do you think having to open the box would mean that you had earnedthe money?  No I don't think you would, but that is the argument that you make about doing anything to receive the free gift of salvation.  Thinking that you earned the million dollar gift by merely opening the box is pretty silly, don't you think?

No! I do no not think it silly.  I believe that taking any credit for my salvation is reprehensible!

As for your free Gift analogy...it does not work. W ::hug::hether I open the package or not...I still have the money.
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« Reply #21 on: November 28, 2008, 03:14:41 PM »

Even the least attempt to earn salvation, robs Christ of His Glory!

If I sent you a million dollars by Fed Ex as a free gift, do you think having to open the box would mean that you had earnedthe money?  No I don't think you would, but that is the argument that you make about doing anything to receive the free gift of salvation.  Thinking that you earned the million dollar gift by merely opening the box is pretty silly, don't you think?

No! I do no not think it silly.  I believe that taking any credit for my salvation is reprehensible!

As for your free Gift analogy...it does not work. W ::hug::hether I open the package or not...I still have the money.


But it is of no use to you unless you open the package and spend it.  But that is not the point.  Even if you still have the money, you have not earned it.  But you seem to think that you have.  That is the argument you are using.  An argument with by the way has nothing to do with scripture.

The whole point that Paul made in his letters was that nothing you do can earn your salvation.  That is unless of course you are perfect and keep the law perfectly.  No amount of effort will keep it from being a gift.  You can't do enough in a lifetime to keep it from being a gift.

You simply have not understood what Paul was trying to tell his readers.  He wasn't telling them that they didn't need to do anything.  He was telling them that they needed to open the box, take the money, but don't forget that it was a gift and they did not deserve it.
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« Reply #22 on: November 28, 2008, 03:17:20 PM »

Even the least attempt to earn salvation, robs Christ of His Glory!

If I sent you a million dollars by Fed Ex as a free gift, do you think having to open the box would mean that you had earnedthe money?  No I don't think you would, but that is the argument that you make about doing anything to receive the free gift of salvation.  Thinking that you earned the million dollar gift by merely opening the box is pretty silly, don't you think?

No! I do no not think it silly.  I believe that taking any credit for my salvation is reprehensible!

As for your free Gift analogy...it does not work. W ::hug::hether I open the package or not...I still have the money.


And BTW where does it say you can receive salvation without hearing or reading it?

Where does it say it is by your own merit?

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« Reply #23 on: November 28, 2008, 03:49:57 PM »

You simply have not understood what Paul was trying to tell his readers.  He wasn't telling them that they didn't need to do anything. 

How do these fit into your scenerio ?

Romans   3:31   Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law

Romans 2:13   (For not the hearers of the law [are] just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. 

Why did Paul observe the 7th day sabbath ?
Acts  17:2   And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures, 

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1 Peter  4:17   For the time [is come] that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if [it] first [begin] at us, what shall the end [be] of them that obey not the gospel of God ? 

God's 'Investigative' Judgment Day
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« Reply #24 on: November 28, 2008, 04:07:59 PM »

You simply have not understood what Paul was trying to tell his readers.  He wasn't telling them that they didn't need to do anything. 

How do these fit into your scenerio ?

Romans   3:31   Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law

Romans 2:13   (For not the hearers of the law [are] just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. 

Why did Paul observe the 7th day sabbath ?
Acts  17:2   And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures, 



They fit just fine.  Did you read what I said?  Did you understand what I said?  Go back and read it again.
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« Reply #25 on: November 28, 2008, 04:38:42 PM »

You simply have not understood what Paul was trying to tell his readers.  He wasn't telling them that they didn't need to do anything. 

How do these fit into your scenerio ?

Romans   3:31   Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law

Romans 2:13   (For not the hearers of the law [are] just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. 

Why did Paul observe the 7th day sabbath ?
Acts  17:2   And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures, 



They fit just fine.  Did you read what I said?  Did you understand what I said?  Go back and read it again.
I apologize for any misunderstanding I might have said.
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« Reply #26 on: November 28, 2008, 06:08:51 PM »

You simply have not understood what Paul was trying to tell his readers.  He wasn't telling them that they didn't need to do anything. 

How do these fit into your scenerio ?

Romans   3:31   Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law

Romans 2:13   (For not the hearers of the law [are] just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. 

Why did Paul observe the 7th day sabbath ?
Acts  17:2   And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures, 



They fit just fine.  Did you read what I said?  Did you understand what I said?  Go back and read it again.
I apologize for any misunderstanding I might have said.

Not a problem.  I just found your response strange and untypical.
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« Reply #27 on: November 29, 2008, 09:56:33 AM »

Jimmy

You said:

If I sent you a million dollars by Fed Ex as a free gift, do you think having to open the box would mean that you had earned the money?  No I don't think you would, but that is the argument that you make about doing anything to receive the free gift of salvation.  Thinking that you earned the million dollar gift by merely opening the box is pretty silly, don't you think?


Interesting illustration but it doesn't apply to the scriptural idea of works.

Ergon is any thing that you do from the building of a fortress to the slightest thought.  To open that box requires energy, energy in action is work no matter how slight.

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« Reply #28 on: November 29, 2008, 11:22:28 AM »

Jimmy

You said:

If I sent you a million dollars by Fed Ex as a free gift, do you think having to open the box would mean that you had earned the money?  No I don't think you would, but that is the argument that you make about doing anything to receive the free gift of salvation.  Thinking that you earned the million dollar gift by merely opening the box is pretty silly, don't you think?


Interesting illustration but it doesn't apply to the scriptural idea of works.

Ergon is any thing that you do from the building of a fortress to the slightest thought.  To open that box requires energy, energy in action is work no matter how slight.

GTM

 

OK, so either no one is saved, or all of us had to work somehow for our salvation?

Jesus died on the cross, how did we join in that?

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« Reply #29 on: November 29, 2008, 11:59:17 AM »

Jimmy

You said:

If I sent you a million dollars by Fed Ex as a free gift, do you think having to open the box would mean that you had earned the money?  No I don't think you would, but that is the argument that you make about doing anything to receive the free gift of salvation.  Thinking that you earned the million dollar gift by merely opening the box is pretty silly, don't you think?


Interesting illustration but it doesn't apply to the scriptural idea of works.

Ergon is any thing that you do from the building of a fortress to the slightest thought.  To open that box requires energy, energy in action is work no matter how slight.

GTM

 

OK, so either no one is saved, or all of us had to work somehow for our salvation?

Jesus died on the cross, how did we join in that?

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And love will be revealed in sacrifice.
The plan of redemption was laid in sacrifice--a sacrifice so broad and deep and high that it is immeasurable.
 Christ gave all for us, and those who receive Christ will be ready to sacrifice all for the sake of their Redeemer.
The thought of His honor and glory will come before anything else. 

     If we love Jesus, we shall love to live for Him, to present our thank offerings to Him, to labor for Him.
The very labor will be light. For His sake we shall covet pain and toil and sacrifice.

We shall sympathize with His longing for the salvation of men.
We shall feel the same tender craving for souls that He has felt. 

     This is the religion of Christ.
Anything short of it is a deception.

 No mere theory of truth or profession of discipleship will save any soul.
We do not belong to Christ unless we are His wholly.

It is by halfheartedness in the Christian life that men become feeble in purpose and changeable in desire.
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