Please help to define.

[janine]

If you want to go to a worship service that fits in with the Jewish idea of "first day of the week", then any time after sundown Saturday through sundown Sunday would do.

Antiaging, if Benny Hinn was handraised by nuns, then that explains that "Flying Nun" hairstyle he wears.  Most of the Catholic-scare-stuff mentioned in this thread is a crock, you know.  I am a Catholic... christened, confirmed, converted to the Lord in a one-on-one way in the 80's, worshiping with the Restoration Movement churches of Christ, now, but I'm as much a bred-in-the-bone Catholic, still, as Paul remained a Jew...

Take my word for it.  There is not a conspiracy under every cassock.

[banished]

I'm not Catholic...  But most of my family is and all of Dh family is.  My Fil attends Saturday evening mass....  he says it's the same mass as on Sunday morning, but he likes to go on Saturday now.  A lot of Catholics are opting for the Saturday evening rather than the Sunday morning mass now. 

From what I gather the Assembly of God ministers pay a yearly fee to a regional office, then each Assembly is pretty much free to do as they please.  Out here in Northern California and Oregon they swing from "new school" Liberal all the way to "old school" Pentecostal, plus some New Age up in the Portland area.  So, each Assembly must be singled out and discussed independently from the others.  I should make it clear that the Assembly where my wife works isn't borrowing from the Catholics.  It is the "new school" liberal Catholics who have borrowed the "old school" Assembly of God hymns for their Charismatic Healing Mass.  Also, at the Vatican II Novus Ordo Catholic Mass in this diosese they sing a couple of the old Assembly hymns.  The younger generation doesn't know the difference and seem to be one in the same as long as they have their hippie guitar music?  What do you think? The only real Catholics remaining seem to be the Traditional with Gregorian Chants and the original Latin Mass.  what about Protestants?  Are there any "old school" who follow John Wesley?     

[kensington]

I see where you are going now...   Here, they report to the general Assembly and are not to just do as they please.  The congregation who has membership can also seek to have a Pastor removed who gets outside of the word of God in his teachings. 

I guess maybe the Catholics could be borrowing hymns from the AG now days...  but...  Worship is free.  Maybe they will learn to understand that side of worship that they have always pushed away.  For me... if I attend a Mass... whatever they are singing, I sing like I would anywhere else.  I sing from the heart to the LORD.  I worship God.  I don't really concern myself with how or why the guy next to me sings.

[banished]

Hello kensington,

I see a shift in the core values of American Christians.  What used to be a Catholic and Protestant Bible Base culture has now been over run by the hippies and their music.  We can not brush off this drastic change in the humanities as "I don't really concern myself with how or why the guy next to me sings."  Remember, birds of a feather flock together! The recent Kennedy Funeral is a good example of the grandeur of the upper reaches of Western Culture.  It was unmistakeably Christian. If you missed it, you can order a DVD.  And of course, many of us think that Kennedy shouldn't have been honored like that. After viewing the Kennedy Funeral, the core values that I mentioned become obvious.  The upper reaches of Western Culture are not hippies in a park and they do not play their hippie music in church as if it was a Rock Festival.  Can you still see where we are going with this?



In case you missed the Ted Kennedy Funeral Mass at Perpetual Help Basilica in Boston.  Here is Susan Graham, Mezzo Soprano singing Schubert's "Ave Maria":


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSQFc4SsdR0

Richard

[farouk]

...I find the last post hard to follow...

At our local church we try in simplicity to follow the Scriptures. Politics doesn't have anything to do with it.

[farouk]

PS: But we're not AOG, so maybe I shouldn't post here at all.

[banished]

...I find the last post hard to follow...

At our local church we try in simplicity to follow the Scriptures. Politics doesn't have anything to do with it.

I'm sorry.  I was trying to draw attention to the fact that the Kennedy Funeral did not use 1970 hippie style rock festival music, but instead used medieval prayers through out the Mass, also when Susan Graham sang "Ave Maria", which of course, is a prayer based on the greetings of Gabriel and Saint Elizabeth to the Virgin Mary, it was sung in Medieval Latin. Like it or not, that was our Western Culture, and it's in Latin. (not in hippie music)  Nothing polictal about culture, you either got one or you don't. 

In Christian Love and prayer, I must tell you that I believe the Bible prohibits us from putting tattoos on our body.  Tattoos are for heathens only, period!  Leviticus 19:28 "Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD."  Read Young's Concordance for a lot more about what God says about putting marks on our body. The Catholic Bible uses the word, "Tattoo".  The mark of Eden is another example.

[renee-1]

I was born and raised AOG. Today I am in and AOG bible college.
AOG is a movement that came from the Pentecostal church. I would suggest reading up on Azusa. Azusa street revival is what birthed the AOG movement. We are very pentecostal. But like someone else said not all pentecostals are AOG.

[TheCatholic]

......I guess maybe the Catholics could be borrowing hymns from the AG now days...  but...  Worship is free.  Maybe they will learn to understand that side of worship that they have always pushed away.........

We push away from nothing.
We teach AND embrace the FULLNESS of Cristianity

[Apostle Eric]

I was born and raised AOG. Today I am in and AOG bible college.
AOG is a movement that came from the Pentecostal church. I would suggest reading up on Azusa. Azusa street revival is what birthed the AOG movement. We are very pentecostal. But like someone else said not all pentecostals are AOG.

I was a member of the A/G called Peoples Church in California in the early 70's.
This was when the Charismatic movement was coming to its peak. Many members were from different backgrounds.

There is a mixture of many doctrines that have taken root over the last 30 years, and so produced off-shoots of independent churches just as the founding of the A/G was a branch of another church.

But the Body of Christ must now come under apostolic government I believe, for the fulness of Christ's  stature.
 
EPHESIANS 4 :13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the STATURE of the fulness of Christ:

Be blessed

In His grace

Apostle Eric

ss:  For to behold the full picture of Christ one must carry the scales of Truth given by His stewardship  

[banished]

I was born and raised AOG. Today I am in and AOG bible college.
AOG is a movement that came from the Pentecostal church. I would suggest reading up on Azusa. Azusa street revival is what birthed the AOG movement. We are very pentecostal. But like someone else said not all pentecostals are AOG.

I was a member of the A/G called Peoples Church in California in the early 70's.
This was when the Charismatic movement was coming to its peak. Many members were from different backgrounds.

There is a mixture of many doctrines that have taken root over the last 30 years, and so produced off-shoots of independent churches just as the founding of the A/G was a branch of another church.

But the Body of Christ must now come under apostolic government I believe, for the fulness of Christ's  stature.
 
EPHESIANS 4 :13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the STATURE of the fulness of Christ:

Be blessed

In His grace

Apostle Eric

ss:  For to behold the full picture of Christ one must carry the scales of Truth given by His stewardship  

Hello Eric,

That was an interesting post.  Did you mean to say, Peoples Temple, like in Jim Jones?  Sitting here wondering about what you meant by apostolic government ? What is that?  We are excommunicated Catholics, and my wife has worked for an AG private school for about 15 years now.  The church section has switched back and forth a few times, and now is more or less Charismatic with hippie style guitar music.  Truthfully, I really enjoy their Praise and Worship Service with modern music.  The old Azusa Street Mission stuff was outdated.  Anyway, apostolic government sounds interesting, what ever it is?

[Lynette_g2000]

From what I gather the Assembly of God ministers pay a yearly fee to a regional office, then each Assembly is pretty much free to do as they please.

Not so.  I am AG and there are many rules and regulations that go along with the AG credentialing.  When I became an AG member I was given the bylaws of the denomination and they are very clear and concise. Pastors answer to district presbyters and so forth.  The scriptural, and personal guidelines are very clear. 

Jimmy Swaggart was dis-fellowshipped after refusing to submit to the required restoration period (usually two years) and counseling.

This denomination is very closely governed and regulated to help weed out abuses that might happen. 

[Apostle Eric]

[quote author=banished
Hello Eric,

That was an interesting post.  Did you mean to say, Peoples Temple, like in Jim Jones?  Sitting here wondering about what you meant by apostolic government ? What is that?  We are excommunicated Catholics, and my wife has worked for an AG private school for about 15 years now.  The church section has switched back and forth a few times, and now is more or less Charismatic with hippie style guitar music.  Truthfully, I really enjoy their Praise and Worship Service with modern music.  The old Azusa Street Mission stuff was outdated.  Anyway, apostolic government sounds interesting, what ever it is?
[/quote]

Praise the Lord, banished,

Not Peoples Temple, but Peoples Church Costa Mesa Ca.
Apostolic Government, is the divine oversight of the Church by called, living apostles.
The Apostles calling is God's gift to the Church for sharing that grace to the saints giving direction and order for the new covenant priesthood which is after the order of Melchisedek and not after the Levitical priesthood.

HEBREWS 7:11
11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise AFTER THE ORDER of Melchisedec, and not be called AFTER THE ORDER of Aaron?

I hope this helps you.

In His grace

Apostle Eric

ss: The sacrifices of the Spirit seals the soul in righteousness, for God only receives the works of His Son in us

[JKblessing]

I was born and raised AOG. Today I am in and AOG bible college.
AOG is a movement that came from the Pentecostal church. I would suggest reading up on Azusa. Azusa street revival is what birthed the AOG movement. We are very pentecostal. But like someone else said not all pentecostals are AOG.

I was a member of the A/G called Peoples Church in California in the early 70's.
This was when the Charismatic movement was coming to its peak. Many members were from different backgrounds.

There is a mixture of many doctrines that have taken root over the last 30 years, and so produced off-shoots of independent churches just as the founding of the A/G was a branch of another church.

But the Body of Christ must now come under apostolic government I believe, for the fulness of Christ's  stature.
 
EPHESIANS 4 :13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the STATURE of the fulness of Christ:

Be blessed

In His grace

Apostle Eric

ss:  For to behold the full picture of Christ one must carry the scales of Truth given by His stewardship  

Paul started his letters many times as Paul an apostle, Peter would refer later to Paul as brother Paul. Peter was first a bond-servant and then an apostle in 2 peter 1. Never in the N.T. was apostle ever used for a title. In fact the apostolic (ascension gifts) were functions and never intended to be offices as many have made them. In fact Jesus was pretty clear on the issue of titles in Matt. 23:8-12 why brother Eric do you choose to put a title "apostle" in front of your name and do you live up to the apostolic qualifications of the 1st Century Church?

[Joseph shall add]

I am a member and teacher in the AOG church. Unlike some churchs we try to teach and live up to the fullness of the operationals patterns set out in the bible. We believe in the infilling of the Holy Spirit.

Jesus said it like this, if you will ask me i will ask the father and he will send you the Confortor, Helper, Teacher.  Well to ask Jesus for that you already have to be saved and know Jesus.

In the old testiment it is writen, A people who are not my people have become my people, And they shall have no need for a teacher for i shall teach them.

The Holy Spirit seals us at the time of slavation. What does he seal us with. The living waters of which Jesus spoke of to the woman at the well, This is acutally his own spirit. So the Holy Spirit seals us by pouring the spirit of Christ into our spirit man at which time we become born again and become living lights seen on high. Thus God is called the father of Lights. So we are sealed for the day of redemption by the Holy Spirit proforming a creative merical to creat a new creation. But we did not receive the Fathers spirit at that time on the inside. At that time he is with us but not in us all.
The Holy Spirit is the Fathers spirit. Some get him right up front from what we see and others do nto get him for many years, In reguard to infilling. I guess God is the one who determines when we get the infilling of the Holy Spirit. But as we can atest.

To have the son is to have the father and to have the father is to have the son. We desire that all christian mature and have the power of God to be able to do the work of God. The Holy Spirit is states to give you power when he comes upon you per the scripture. We find this to be true. There is a fire of sorts that will go pass through the pastor or preacher who is laying hands on people for healing. We also believe in the 5 offices spoke of in the bible. And we also believe in speaking in the gifts of touges.

When a christian has matured and been sancified and has the Holy Spirit and speak in tounges he can directly go to Father God in prayer. Sure helps win we do not know how to pray. Toungs us controled by the person but the Holy Spirit will give the utterence so you can't mess up. IN other words the Holy Spirits leads you as to how to speak toungs and he controls the outcome.

But it is just another gift of the Holy Spirit, And we do practice all the gifts of the Holy Spirit. We follow the whole word of God and not just parts. We may be foolish but we get healed.