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Baptists endorse gay marriage? It's coming
« on: Fri Feb 08, 2013 - 12:02:31 »
In my 70 years I never thought I'd see a woman preaching from the pulpit of a Baptist church as the Elder/Pastor of the church.  It is happening now, but do they have a right to the name "Baptist"?  There was agitation for years to have this development.  Read the agitation among Baptists heading toward gay marriage.  Check the website of AWAB, Association of Welcoming and Affirming Baptists.  Now, males married to males even happened in Paul's day.  Remember, Nero lived when Paul wrote Romans 1:26,27; 1 Corinthians 6:9 and 1 Timothy 1:10.  So, what sort of 'gay marriage' did the Apostle Paul see?  We have the historical record as I'll quote below.  It can be found on the web if you wish to search for it.

"Suetonius: NERO XXVII-XXIX
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 XXVII. Little by little, however, as his vices grew stronger, he dropped jesting and secrecy and with no attempt at disguise openly broke out into worse crime. He prolonged his revels from midday to midnight, often livening himself by a warm plunge, or, if it were summer, into water cooled with snow. Sometimes too he closed the inlets and banqueted in public in the great tank, in the Campus Martius, or in the Circus Maximus, waited on by harlots and dancing girls from all over the city. Whenever he drifted down the Tiber to Ostia, or sailed about the Gulf of Baiae, booths were set up at intervals along the banks and shores, fitted out for debauchery, while bartering matrons played the part of innkeepers and from every hand solicited him to come ashore. He also levied dinners on his friends, one of whom spent four million sesterces for a banquet at which turbans were distributed, and another a considerably larger sum for a rose dinner.

 XXVIII. Besides abusing freeborn boys and seducing married women, he debauched the vestal virgin Rubria. The freedwoman Acte he all but made his lawful wife, after bribing some ex-consuls to perjure themselves by swearing that she was of royal birth. He castrated the boy Sporus and actually tried to make a woman of him; and he married him with all the usual ceremonies, including a dowry and a bridal veil, took him to his house attended by a great throng, and treated him as his wife. And the witty jest that someone made is still current, that it would have been well for the world if Nero s father Domitius had had that kind of wife. This Sporus, decked out with the finery of the empresses and riding in a litter, he took with him to the assizes and marts of Greece, and later at Rome through the Street of the Images, fondly kissing him from time to time. That he even desired illicit relations with his own mother, and was kept from it by her enemiess who feared that such a relationship might give the reckless and insolent woman too great infiuence, was notorious, especially after he added to his concubines a courtesan who was said to look very like Agripinina. Even before that, so they say, whenever he rode in a litter with his mother, he had incestuous relations with her, which were betrayed by the stains on his clothing.

 XXIX. He so prostituted his own chastity that after defiling almost every part of his body, he at last devised a kind of game, in which, covered with the skin of some wild animal, he was let loose from a cage and attacked the private parts of men and women, who were bound to stakes, and when he had sated his mad lust, was dispatched by his freed man Doryphorus; for he was even married to this man in the same way that he himself had married Sporus, going so far as to imitate the cries and lamentations of a maiden being deflowered. I have heard from some men that it was his unshaken conviction that no man was chaste or pure in any partof his body, but that most of them concealed their vices and cleverly drew a veil over them; and that therefore he pardoned all other faults in those who confessed to him their lewdness."

If one has seen a so-called "Gay Pride Parade" and the associated events, we see a repeat of what we read about the pervert Nero above.  Gay marriage is already in some apostate denominations, how long before it is in some groups claiming the name "Baptist"?  NOTE!  I am not attacking those who are of same-gender orientation and live their situation in life biblically, but no one can escape seeing that the record of Nero recorded above is what Paul seems to have in mind, by the Holy Spirit, as he wrote.  Remember, Scripture was not written in a vacuum, it has a historical context. 

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Baptists endorse gay marriage? It's coming
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Re: Baptists endorse gay marriage? It's coming
« Reply #1 on: Fri Feb 08, 2013 - 12:23:12 »
Glenn - what kind of "Baptist" you talking about?

Southern Baptist?
American Baptist?
General Baptist?
Bible Baptist?
Fundamentalist Baptist?
Free Will Baptist?
National Baptist?

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Re: Baptists endorse gay marriage? It's coming
« Reply #2 on: Fri Feb 08, 2013 - 13:22:48 »
DaveW, I do not see the future details, but if I guess by how women in the pulpits developed, it will start with the American Baptist Churches USA, then later followed by the liberal wing of the SBC... who knows how fast the cancer would spread.  I find the ABC USA the most liberal group of Baptists.  Do you see it coming in years ahead?  If so, how do you see it developing?  The mainline churches already have it so I consider them already apostate as I understand the faith.

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« Reply #3 on: Tue Feb 12, 2013 - 11:00:32 »
I doubt the fundamental Baptists or the Fundamentalist Baptists (2 separate groups) would ever go that way.  Both think that even the most conservative of SBC are the great apostasy.

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Re: Baptists endorse gay marriage? It's coming
« Reply #4 on: Tue Feb 12, 2013 - 11:35:46 »
I find it very offensive that a woman using her God given gifts is compared with gay marriage.

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« Reply #5 on: Tue Feb 12, 2013 - 11:39:46 »
I find it very offensive that a woman using her God given gifts is compared with gay marriage.

They are usually the biggest supporters of gay marriage.

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Re: Baptists endorse gay marriage? It's coming
« Reply #6 on: Tue Feb 12, 2013 - 13:05:57 »
For Lee,
   In my post I said nothing opposing "a woman using her God given gifts" in which I "compared with gay marriage."  I spoke of women in the Pulpits acting as Elder/Pastor.  God-given gifts are by the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit inspired Scripture regulates where and how those God-given gifts are to be used and it is not in the Assembly as Pastor/Elder/Bishop. 

“I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor.” (1Ti 2:12-14 ESV)

For a historic Baptist view, I quote from Dr. John Gill:

Ver. 12. But I suffer not a woman to teach, &c,] They may teach in private, in their own houses and families; they are to be teachers of good things, #Tit 2:3. They are to bring up their children in the nurture and admonition of the Lord; nor is the law or doctrine of a mother to be forsaken, any more than the instruction of a father; see #Pr 1:8 31:1-4. Timothy, no doubt, received much advantage, from the private teachings and instructions of his mother Eunice, and grandmother Lois; but then women are not to teach in the church; for that is an act of power and authority, and supposes the persons that teach to be of a superior degree, and in a superior office, and to have superior abilities to those who are taught by them:

nor to usurp authority over the man; as not in civil and political things, or in things relating to civil government; and in things domestic, or the affairs of the family; so not in things ecclesiastical, or what relate to the church and government of it; for one part of rule is to feed the church with knowledge and understanding; and for a woman to take upon her to do this, is to usurp an authority over the man: this therefore she ought not to do,

but to be in silence; to sit and hear quietly and silently, and learn, and not teach, as in #1Ti 2:11.

May God's peace be upon us all!