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Re: can baptist be saved if they turn away from tongue talking churches
« Reply #1 on: Mon Apr 15, 2019 - 19:19:27 »
Eh????? Tongues is entirely biblical, and whether you are saved or not depends on whether you have accepted Jesus as your Lord and saviour. Makes no difference what denomination you belong to or what church you attend as long as its not a cult. 
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Re: can baptist be saved if they turn away from tongue talking churches
« Reply #2 on: Tue Apr 16, 2019 - 06:14:17 »
can any one answer this for me

I would avoid any church that is Charismatic or Word of Faith.  While I am skeptical of tongues today, AOG and other Pentecostal churches like that are typically more subdued and keep to God's Word

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Re: can baptist be saved if they turn away from tongue talking churches
« Reply #3 on: Thu Feb 06, 2020 - 00:47:22 »
can any one answer this for me

As chosenone here pointed out "Tongues is entirely biblical". But whether you are saved or not depends on whether you are in Christ Jesus or not. Whether you are a baptist or not does not really matter.

The church is not the savior, but Jesus Christ is. 

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Re: can baptist be saved if they turn away from tongue talking churches
« Reply #4 on: Thu Feb 06, 2020 - 03:14:38 »
Can any one answer this for me?

Based upon the scriptures, and the "modern day" (post 1900~Los Angeles, the city of angels devils!) tongue movement~ I would flip that question right back at you and ask you does the Spirit of God truly in dwell modern day speaking in what they called unknown tongues~my answers would be for the MOST PART no the Spirit of TRUTH does not indwell such people but another spirit that's not of God.

 
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Re: can baptist be saved if they turn away from tongue talking churches
« Reply #5 on: Thu Feb 06, 2020 - 03:27:52 »
I would avoid any church that is Charismatic or Word of Faith.  While I am skeptical of tongues today, AOG and other Pentecostal churches like that are typically more subdued and keep to God's Word
Greetings TC~not so sure about that, (being more subdued?......they seemed to be, yet in their overall doctrine, they ARE NOT) but you may be correct, I'm just basing that on my own personal observation~and observed I have carefully. While I will refrain from declaring them children of the devil for without question there are true sheep among most all sects excluding Jehovah Witnesses and the Mormon's churches (and their splinter groups)  of latter-day children of Satan, along with a few of cults whose doctrine concerning CHRIST proves them to be heretics, and they may not even belong to a well-known cults but their doctrine makes them children of the Wicked One.   

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Re: can baptist be saved if they turn away from tongue talking churches
« Reply #6 on: Thu Feb 06, 2020 - 08:54:59 »
Greetings TC~not so sure about that, (being more subdued?......they seemed to be, yet in their overall doctrine, they ARE NOT) but you may be correct, I'm just basing that on my own personal observation~and observed I have carefully. While I will refrain from declaring them children of the devil for without question there are true sheep among most all sects excluding Jehovah Witnesses and the Mormon's churches (and their splinter groups)  of latter-day children of Satan, along with a few of cults whose doctrine concerning CHRIST proves them to be heretics, and they may not even belong to a well-known cults but their doctrine makes them children of the Wicked One.

Assembly of God?  I have attended with family a few AOG congregations and never saw anything strange like Word of Faith/Prosperity Charismatical folks.  Did not witness any tongues at all, and in my opinion as a skeptical non-cessationist, there is very little reason for tongues in this day and age.  I don't believe in prayer tongues, although I know some good people that do.

There are things in AOG that I don't agree with like women preachers, but I didn't see anything I would see that would say they are teaching a heretical gospel.

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Re: can baptist be saved if they turn away from tongue talking churches
« Reply #7 on: Thu Feb 06, 2020 - 08:58:10 »
Greetings TC~not so sure about that, (being more subdued?......they seemed to be, yet in their overall doctrine, they ARE NOT) but you may be correct, I'm just basing that on my own personal observation~and observed I have carefully. While I will refrain from declaring them children of the devil for without question there are true sheep among most all sects excluding Jehovah Witnesses and the Mormon's churches (and their splinter groups)  of latter-day children of Satan, along with a few of cults whose doctrine concerning CHRIST proves them to be heretics, and they may not even belong to a well-known cults but their doctrine makes them children of the Wicked One.

My argument is that Word of Faith/Charismatics are different then Pentecostals.  Pentecostals at least believe in holiness.

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Re: can baptist be saved if they turn away from tongue talking churches
« Reply #8 on: Thu Feb 06, 2020 - 11:18:57 »
Based upon the scriptures, and the "modern day" (post 1900~Los Angeles, the city of angels devils!) tongue movement~ I would flip that question right back at you and ask you does the Spirit of God truly in dwell modern day speaking in what they called unknown tongues~my answers would be for the MOST PART no the Spirit of TRUTH does not indwell such people but another spirit that's not of God.

My sister thanks you , my mother thanks you, my father thanks you and I thank you for allowing me to grow my list... now to 5
of a growing consensus of not save at worst and/or a spirit not of God is within me.

Wonder who I should quit praying for at night for comfort and divine intervention?

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Re: can baptist be saved if they turn away from tongue talking churches
« Reply #9 on: Mon Jun 22, 2020 - 11:32:07 »
The issue with evangelical churches i think we need to address is that we need to implement the holy spirit more including requesting God's spirit and power to fall on our churches much like charismatic and pentecostal churches do. I had this problem many years ago of leaving my church to follow the charismatic faith and ended up with 7 of the loneliest years of my life. I would recommend implementation rather than visitation as it's time we change our churches rather than thinking we need to switch to another "else.' I was a tongue speaker in the churches of christ however for years and came to the conclusion what my tongues were were not real. I don't negate tongues however. I do think on one occasion i spoke in a definite language when i was so full of the spirit i could do nothing else. Language is key here as most of what i practiced was glossalalia. I do believe tongues have a purpose for God if there is a nation or tribe needing the gospel and the Lord needs for them to hear it. To exclude yourself as a christian for not speaking in tongues is not a good idea. My baptism of the holy spirit caused me to speak boldly in the name of the Lord when it came upon me. I don't think i'm not a christian for my experience. Furthermore, a 90 year old woman who gets saved and receives the holy spirit is probably not going to be "drunk as it is only 9 oclock in the monring" (this from acts). The spirit will be as he defines it in our lives not as what the consensus is.

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Re: can baptist be saved if they turn away from tongue talking churches
« Reply #10 on: Thu Mar 03, 2022 - 08:11:36 »
can any one answer this for me

Where is it written, "speak tongues and be saved?"

According to Acts and Corinthians the manifestation of tongues is a spiritual utterance.  Paul provided a strict guideline for its appropriate use - which is generally ignored by Pentacostal congregations.

Far too much importance is attributed to tongues and far too much rhetoric is misdirected against it by others.

I've attended a few rare services where the manifestation of tongues glorified God NOT THE SPEAKER, which is unfortunately most often NOT the case in Pentacostal congregations.    I've attended far too many Pentacostal worship services where tongues were abused as a sort of spiritual PRIDE by one or two members (including the pastor).

Fake tongues proliferate in a congregation that's lacking in spiritual maturity.  Somehow it becomes the focus of spiritual life even as the more important issues are ignored.   They ALWAYS begin with the fake word SHUNDA.   

SHUNDA blah blah blah blah and so forth.  After a minute or two of this rubbish the pastor or some other 'spiritually superior' person will sound forth with an interpretation - usually just as fake as the fake tongues. 

Next time I attend a service like this I'll shout out the Shema in Hebrew - SHEMA YISRAEL, ADONAI ELOHENU, ADONAI ECHAD.   (english = Hear O Israel the Lord our God.  The Lord is one.) Deut. 6:4  I wonder what the interpretation will be.   What do you think?

From my perspective the gift of tongues is rare indeed.  It still happens and on appropriate occasions it glorifies God.   The word rare means not often.   More often than not it is inappropriately used to glorify the speaker's pride rather than to glorify the Lord of Hosts.

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Re: can baptist be saved if they turn away from tongue talking churches
« Reply #11 on: Thu Mar 03, 2022 - 08:16:27 »
My sister thanks you , my mother thanks you, my father thanks you and I thank you for allowing me to grow my list... now to 5
of a growing consensus of not save at worst and/or a spirit not of God is within me.

Wonder who I should quit praying for at night for comfort and divine intervention?

Pray for Mr. Putin - that God will not strike him dead in his tracks as he deserves.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...

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Re: can baptist be saved if they turn away from tongue talking churches
« Reply #12 on: Fri Mar 04, 2022 - 09:03:08 »
Pray for Mr. Putin - that God will not strike him dead in his tracks as he deserves.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...

For what earthly or Godly purpose would I want this scum polluting the earth unless he will lead to the finalizing of end times?

Your prayers for Osama bin Laden kept him alive longer then those tortured by him wanted. No, God did not strike him dead either.... He used a US Marine. And was executed more mercifully then he deserved.

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Re: can baptist be saved if they turn away from tongue talking churches
« Reply #13 on: Fri Mar 04, 2022 - 09:46:41 »
Pray for Mr. Putin - that God will not strike him dead in his tracks as he deserves.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...

God's own words: Gen 9:6  "Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed, for God made man in his own image. There is no doubt whatsoever, that Putin has shed the blood of man, thousands of men.  By God's own edict, we should find one or more who could actually carry out God's orders.
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Re: can baptist be saved if they turn away from tongue talking churches
« Reply #14 on: Thu Sep 08, 2022 - 02:43:14 »
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Assembly of God?  I have attended with family a few AOG congregations and never saw anything strange like Word of Faith/Prosperity Charismatical folks.  Did not witness any tongues at all, and in my opinion as a skeptical non-cessationist, there is very little reason for tongues in this day and age.  I don't believe in prayer tongues, although I know some good people that do.

There are things in AOG that I don't agree with like women preachers, but I didn't see anything I would see that would say they are teaching a heretical gospel.

My wife and I were members of an AOG church from 2003 to 2011.  Perhaps not all their churches are dogmatic or adamant about tongues, but I know, as fact, having taken many courses through their Berean School of the Bible that their entire doctrine is wrapped in tongues just as a fillet mignon steak is wrapped in bacon.  Some people are Pentecostals with a small p.  Some have a huge capital P.  Outside of the tongues and other gifts issue, the AOG is mostly sound.  Unfortunately, they have a tendency to think that nothing is happening or God isn't working if there is no message in tongues and people aren't falling out at the altar every Sunday.  At least, that came to be the issue at our church and it's why we left.  You were second tier members if you didn't speak in tongues.  The entire lynch pin of Pentecostal doctrine is that the indwelling of the Holy Spirit is manifested in the speaking of tongues.

Yes, Charismatics are a whole different breed.

 

     
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