Catholic Priests on a mission

[Bro Sam]

For many years I've watched Baptist forums.  Always, the Catholics target the Baptist.  We know the Baptist are ~300 years older than the Catholics and that they were rejected by two NT churches at the counsel of Nicaea in 321 AD.   We know they came out of Egypt with their doctrine.

They know the forum rules and try to stay within them.  They target and question everything and take an innocent pretense.   Sure, it is possible a Catholic may have an honest question.   They mock our KJV Bible.  They come in many disguises under many names; beware of them.

Jesus was Baptized by John the Baptist and the Baptist continued to baptize.  They were first called Christians at Antioch where Peter was Bishop.   

The Catholics implemented the Inquisition killing millions of Christians.  A Catholics Cardin in NYC was asked by a reporter:, "is it true that the Catholic church has killed 36,000,000 Baptist"?   The Cardinal say, "everybody makes mistakes"       

At the Counsel of Trent in 1546 the presiding Cardinal said that had not the Baptist been grievously cut off with the knife for the past 1200 years they would flourish more in numbers than all.    Note the 1200 yr period putting their inception at Constantine.   Catholism is a man made religion formed under King Constantine.   All Christians should know this.

Anyway: I was noticing the amount of Catholics on this Baptist forum and wondering how many are aware of this.  My God bless; Sam

[Red Baker]

Sam,

I agree that Catholicism is a false religion, but, so are most Baptist churches~both are part of Mystery Babylon, the great.  I would agree, that God has his elect among some Baptist of the past, some of the present, but, for the most part, they have apostatized from the truth.  Why not just be called: a Christian, or a believer, instead of being called by a name that is associated with so much corruption, as Baptist churches are in our day?

Red Baker   

[Bro Sam]

Very good points Red.     Far too many have gone Ecumenical.  In Baptist or so-called Baptist churches you see an Ecumenical flag on one side and an American flag on the other and a Roman cross.   Some even have images of what they think Jesus looks like and so on. True, some have egg hunts and bunny rabbits to commemorate Tammuz and a X Mass tree and even gift giving.

But, there are many good Baptist churches still that hold true to scripture.  I think most Christians are aware of the problems.  Near 2000 yrs has the name Baptist stood and has been associated with good deeds and Christianity.

[tinker]

For many years I've watched Baptist forums.  Always, the Catholics target the Baptist.  We know the Baptist are ~300 years older than the Catholics and that they were rejected by two NT churches at the counsel of Nicaea in 321 AD.   We know they came out of Egypt with their doctrine.

They know the forum rules and try to stay within them.  They target and question everything and take an innocent pretense.   Sure, it is possible a Catholic may have an honest question.   They mock our KJV Bible.  They come in many disguises under many names; beware of them.

Jesus was Baptized by John the Baptist and the Baptist continued to baptize.  They were first called Christians at Antioch where Peter was Bishop.   

The Catholics implemented the Inquisition killing millions of Christians.  A Catholics Cardin in NYC was asked by a reporter:, "is it true that the Catholic church has killed 36,000,000 Baptist"?   The Cardinal say, "everybody makes mistakes"       

At the Counsel of Trent in 1546 the presiding Cardinal said that had not the Baptist been grievously cut off with the knife for the past 1200 years they would flourish more in numbers than all.    Note the 1200 yr period putting their inception at Constantine.   Catholism is a man made religion formed under King Constantine.   All Christians should know this.

Anyway: I was noticing the amount of Catholics on this Baptist forum and wondering how many are aware of this.  My God bless; Sam

Agree with your take about this forum,most of the moderator with the exception of a few are pro the false religion called Roman Catholicism.Romanism is an anti-Christ religion as it tries to draw Christians away from worshipping God by teaching its believers to pray to Mary,Saints and Angels.What did Lord Jesus teach? Joh 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
Joh 14:14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
Do not be deceive by this anti-Christ religion,and as for eucemenism and joining Roman Catholicism,I say over my dead body.

[neophyte]

Bro Sam, Tinker, the image of a Spanish Inquisition burnings hundreds of thousands of Protestant heretics has no  fact— there were few if any Protestants in Spain.especially no Baptists .In fact the number you claim murdered far exceeds the population of that area at that time. In order to meet your numbers every citizen including Catholics in Spain, Portugal would have had to be killed, your false far-fetched facts are plain Protestant errant history.
As described in the papal apology of Pope John Paul II at the beginning of the New Millennium, "Men of the church, in the name of faith and morals, have sometimes used methods not in keeping with the Gospels in the solemn duty of defending truth." The Inquisition is classic proof that the Church includes sinners who do sinful things, and that good people can make wrong decisions. It is also a classic example of what happens when those who represent the Church are caught up in the norms and ethics of the society in which they live. They can far too easily judge the Gospel with the eyes of culture, rather than the culture by the Gospel.That said, it also has to be remembered that the Inquisition as presented in the Catholic urban legend is far from the reality of history. It is unfair to use it as a cudgel against contemporary Catholic positions, and it is pure bigotry to present it as a defining element of Catholic faith, yesterday or today.

[Bro Sam]

Neo;  you make the point clear on what I said. You are catholic so why bother with a Baptist forum illegally.  In 1546 at the counsel of Trend one of you own Cardinals said that if the Baptist had not been previously cut off with the knife(sword) fro the past 1200 years they would swarm in numbers.      Note the 1200 years and when he said it. He recognized the catholic inception of ~321AD.   

Catholicism is the re-birth of the Babylonian religions to every whit.  A catholic point blank told me that the priest only can forgive sin (Mtr Teresa said the same thing). I asked about the 18% wine and what if the priest was a sodomite.  The Catholic priest said that if a priest was drunk and a sodomite he still could forgive sin.

For a fact the Inquisition happened as the catholic church recognizes as well as government.  Their torture chambers are known and the devices that only a sick perverted mind can produce are still in existence.   And the catholics are still killing Christians today.   

Please leave this Baptist forum.

[neophyte]

I am leaving ,my mistake. Please start that info on another thread about the supposed early Baptist before the 16th century and please give the name of that Catholic Cardinal at the Council of Trent. Thank You

[Bro Sam]

Here is what neo wanted to know. I have the entire statement in the original language.  But this is what it says in a nutshell.

Baptists have been hounded and slaughtered through the centuries because
they would not compromise their convictions concerning salvation and baptism. 
During the Dark Ages, including the Crusades and the Inquisition, it is estimated
that up to 50 million believers were martyred, most of whom were Baptists or
held Baptist views.

1. Roman Catholic Cardinal Hosius, an enemy of the Baptists, and President
of the Council of Trent, (1546) said: "Were it not that the Baptists have
been greviously tormented and cut off with the knife  during the past
twelve hundred years, they would swarm in greater number than all the
Reformers."

2. Later, in 1560, Cardinal Hosius wrote these words: "If the truth of religion
were to be judged by the readiness and cheerfulness which a man in any
sect shows in suffering, then the opinion and persuasion of no sect can be
truer and surer than that of the Anabaptists, since there have been none
for these twelve hundred years past, that have been more generally
punished, or that have more cheerfully and steadily undergone and even
offered themselves to the most cruel sorts of punishment than these
people."

Please note that so many Baptist today dropped the Ana from Baptist.  For example the Southern Baptist were Anabaptist.  Ana (re) Baptist (doctrine of baptism)....       
Anabaptist means to re baptize.    Early on Baptist were being infiltrated by the catholics. Since the catholics would not be re-baptized, this was a means to ensure wolves weren't coming in to disrupt and break up the congregation.   You see it here with the catholics infiltrating to cause confusion.

[neophyte]

Bro Sam, I asked you politely to start another tread, but I feel as you have baited me over to this Baptist site. You are not being fair with me, because you knew that as a defender of Christ's Christianity I would take your bait.

 Bro Sam your wrong on both counts. First, the Catholic Church never killed the number you randomly submit, the pop. at that part of the world was not even 50 Million.
Anyone who claims that there was a line of doctrinally Protestant people going back through history to Jesus doesn't know Church history. Second, while some groups, such as the Baptists, sometimes make this claim, they claim descent from heretical groups such as the Montanists (a false-prophecy movement that said the New Jerusalem would descend in Phrygia, on Montanus's home town), the Donatists (who said sacraments are efficacious only if they are administered by someone in a state of grace), and the Albigensians (who said there are two gods, a good god who loves us and an evil god who made the world). There is simply no way that these groups were Baptists under a different name. Also incorrect is the notion, seriously offered by some Baptists, that the Baptists are descended from John the Baptist--otherwise, why else would they sport his title? (This argument is analogous to the one given by ministers of the Protestant denomination that calls itself the Church of Christ. They say theirs must be the original Church because the name of the Church founded by Christ could be nothing other than "the Church of Christ." Naturally enough, this argument has not found favor with people who do not belong to that denomination.) The Baptists are a late offshoot of the English Reformation. Their denomination was started in 1609 by a British man named John Smyth, who was living in Holland at the time. He and his congregation of expatriate Englishmen began the first Baptist church, which later relocated to England, which is why all the early Baptist confessions were drawn up in that country. Incidentally, the original Baptists practiced baptism by pouring (affusion) instead of dunking (immersion), although most of them today vigorously deny the validity of baptism by pouring. The founder of the Baptist Church in America, Roger Williams, finding no one qualified to baptize him, decided to baptize himself in 1639.

Please note , I can easily refute your other malarky and lies, sorry, misinformation on the Ansbaptists and Inqusition. But right now I don't understand the procedure to start a new thread, you Bro could do that so we could continue ,unless your afraid of being exposed as wrong.

[Bro Sam]

Please: 1.) Baptist are not Protestant.  2.) Catholics are Catholics; not Christian. Nor have they been since their inception in the fourth century.

You have not been baited! If you wish to discuss the plan of salvation, then mail me.

Your made-up history is worst than most. You should be concerned with, "call no man father".   And, Jesus, "I am the way".  The Eucharist is Satanic.

Why is the Catholic church under the Hexagram? And follow Saturn?  With the S T U R following the pope with his up-side-down cross denoting Antichrist because Stur is the ancient name of Saturn and follows: But ye have borne the tabernacle of your Moloch and Chiun your images, the star of your god, which ye made to yourselves.
Amos 5:26 (KJV)             Stur of Chiun, ancient Chaldean language is --- S=60 U=400 U=6 R=200   add up to 666 just like the hexagram = 666. These are iconic symbols of the Catholic church.    Better be concerned for you soul and where you'll spend eternity.

[Bro Sam]

As demonstrated: Catholics are on a mission.  They have their orders.   All should read the Jesuit oath. They will kill you if they could.  I have had them tell me they will kill me.

Catholics come on a Baptist form to disrupt and argue their trite doctrine and make snide remarks; nothing more.

[Carey]

Neo;  you make the point clear on what I said. You are catholic so why bother with a Baptist forum illegally. .....Please leave this Baptist forum.

That is not quite how it works around here. Neo is allowed to be here and challenge your assertions.

[Ladonia]

For many years I've watched Baptist forums.  Always, the Catholics target the Baptist.  We know the Baptist are ~300 years older than the Catholics and that they were rejected by two NT churches at the counsel of Nicaea in 321 AD.   We know they came out of Egypt with their doctrine.

They know the forum rules and try to stay within them.  They target and question everything and take an innocent pretense.   Sure, it is possible a Catholic may have an honest question.   They mock our KJV Bible.  They come in many disguises under many names; beware of them.

Jesus was Baptized by John the Baptist and the Baptist continued to baptize.  They were first called Christians at Antioch where Peter was Bishop.   

The Catholics implemented the Inquisition killing millions of Christians.  A Catholics Cardin in NYC was asked by a reporter:, "is it true that the Catholic church has killed 36,000,000 Baptist"?   The Cardinal say, "everybody makes mistakes"       

At the Counsel of Trent in 1546 the presiding Cardinal said that had not the Baptist been grievously cut off with the knife for the past 1200 years they would flourish more in numbers than all.    Note the 1200 yr period putting their inception at Constantine.   Catholism is a man made religion formed under King Constantine.   All Christians should know this.

Anyway: I was noticing the amount of Catholics on this Baptist forum and wondering how many are aware of this.  My God bless; Sam

You mean the Founding Fathers of the Church were Baptists? The guys that figured out the basic christian doctrines that we all believe were Baptists? The folks that called all the various councils to proclaim the truth against herisies were Baptists? Gee, and I thought that they were  all Bishops, members in good standing of the One Universal (Catholic) Church. Wow, that's all news to me.

[Bro Sam]

That's OK Ladonia; God can forgive you.     No; I mean Jesus the Christ is the cornerstone and it was not build upon man's doings. They called no counsels.  They set up local Christians three centuries before the inception of the catholic church.   

Catholics come on Baptist sites to mock and cause confusion in an ill spirit.  But, you know that.

[neophyte]

The Baptists are a late offshoot of the English Reformation. Their denomination was started in 1609 by a British man named John Smyth, who was living in Holland at the time. He and his congregation of expatriate Englishmen began the first Baptist church, which later relocated to England, which is why all the early Baptist confessions were drawn up in that country. Incidentally, the original Baptists practiced baptism by pouring (affusion) instead of dunking (immersion), although most of them today vigorously deny the validity of baptism by pouring. The founder of the Baptist Church in America, Roger Williams, finding no one qualified to baptize him, decided to baptize himself in 1639.

Baptist professor and historian James Edward McGoldrick adds, "Perhaps no other body of professing Christians has had as much difficulty in discerning its historical roots as have the Baptists. A survey of conflicting opinions might lead a perceptive observer to conclude that Baptists suffer from an identity crisis" (ibid., 1).

Bro Sam, this is for you;- "Brothers and sisters, I want to announce to you all that we've just had 20 people saved up here. Keep on coming!I see folks in the back, let them through. Sister Pearl, can you make your way to the piano [ Piano also invented by Baptists at the Council ] and play "Onward Christian Soldiers". Thank you Sister Pearl. "
Baptists at the Council of Nicea?I don't think so Bro Sam. The idea would be funny if it weren't so sad that some people such as you and a few others actually believe it.
 
Bro Sam you should encourage your friends to continue studying the Bible [ with only the True one interpretation ] along with history of Christianity by the writings of the Church Fathers. As Newman [ Catholic Convert ] said in his "Essay on the Development of Christian Doctrine,' "To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant." [ or ,in your case Baptist ] Of cause Baptist is Protestant because it mocks Christ's Universal [ Catholic ] Church, any body who is against the Catholic Church is a Protester or Protestant including you as a man-made Baptist.

[Adamski]

The Catholics implemented the Inquisition killing millions of Christians.  A Catholics Cardin in NYC was asked by a reporter:, "is it true that the Catholic church has killed 36,000,000 Baptist"?   The Cardinal say, "everybody makes mistakes"       

I have studied the 100 year war and the reformation

As a practicing catholic I would say this is 100% accurate
But I would like

I will give a very brief run down of the major conflict
1- catholic nun turns Anabaptsit and gains following in Germany after Lutheranism
Starts
2-her followers kill many Lutherans and Catholics for not
Getting rebaptized (eph 4:5)
3-Lutheran lords have little power to stop this militarily so they call on the catholic lords of France, southern Germany and Italy (the Vatican is never involved)
4- many probably closer to 2000 thousand Anabaptsit are killed many by drowning.


On a side note Anglicans killed many baptist also


Sadly all are at fault and religion was probably used as a political tool by all sides as the enemy does today.

God bless you all

[Carey]

Yup, the longer one goes back into history, the more skeletons one finds in the closet, I don't care who ya are.  Catholicism is an ideal target, as it has a long history.  Our pasts are past, our God one of second chances, forgiveness, and grace.  The high ground from which to judge is elusive to man.

[winsome]

For many years I've watched Baptist forums.  Always, the Catholics target the Baptist.  We know the Baptist are ~300 years older than the Catholics

1522. The foundation of the Anabaptists was laid down by Conrad Grebel, Menno Simons, Thomas Munzer and others.
1609. The foundation of the Baptists in Holland was laid down by John Smyth.
1639. The foundation of the Baptists in America was laid down by Roger Williams.
1827. The foundation of the Primitive Baptist was laid down by men. It is considered the strictest of all Baptists.
1845. The foundation of the American Baptist Churches was laid down by several men.
1845. The foundation of the Southern Baptist Convention, the largest non-Catholic denomination, was laid down by several men.
1852. The foundation of the Baptist General Conference was laid down by Gustaf Palmquist.
1895. The foundation of the National Baptist Convention U.S.A., was laid down by many black Baptists.
1961. The foundation of the Progressive National Baptist Convention was laid down by Martin Luther King Jr.

[winsome]

As demonstrated: Catholics are on a mission.  They have their orders.   All should read the Jesuit oath. They will kill you if they could.  I have had them tell me they will kill me.

Catholics come on a Baptist form to disrupt and argue their trite doctrine and make snide remarks; nothing more.

The so called “Jesuit Oath” is a fabrication with no factual basis. According to the Catholic Encyclopedia this oath was the product of the imagination of the forger Robert Ware (mid to late 1600’s).

[winsome]

The Catholics implemented the Inquisition killing millions of Christians.  A Catholics Cardin in NYC was asked by a reporter:, "is it true that the Catholic church has killed 36,000,000 Baptist"?   The Cardinal say, "everybody makes mistakes" 

Please can you provide evidence for this.     

At the Counsel of Trent in 1546 the presiding Cardinal said that had not the Baptist been grievously cut off with the knife for the past 1200 years they would flourish more in numbers than all.

Please can you provide evidence for this.

  Note the 1200 yr period putting their inception at Constantine.   Catholism is a man made religion formed under King Constantine.   All Christians should know this./

Constantine was an Emperor not a king. Your history is very flaky.

Perhaps you are thinking of King Kong

[Godbeatsantichrist]

This is making me mad.

[DaveW]

The Catholics implemented the Inquisition killing millions of Christians.  A Catholics Cardin in NYC was asked by a reporter:, "is it true that the Catholic church has killed 36,000,000 Baptist"?   The Cardinal say, "everybody makes mistakes" 

While I am sure that many protestants in general and Baptists in particular got caught up in the inquisition; they were not the target - WE WERE. 

The inquisition started in Spain in the wake of the 1492 forced expulsion of Jews from Spain and Portugal and was intended to get the Jews out of the catholic church. Even the ones who were truly New Testament believers.

[winsome]

 According to the New World Enclopedia the Black Death in the 14^th century, the most devastating pandemic of the Middle Ages,  killed between one third & two thirds of the Population of Europe.
 
The total deaths from the Black Death across Europe, Middle East, India and China was 75 million people. Wikipedia puts the total deaths at between 75-100 million.
 
It took 150 years for the population of Europe to recover.
 
Before the Black Death wiped out around half the population of Europe is estimated at about 100 million.
 
 The idea that the Catholic Church killed 36 million Baptists is utter nonsense