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Re: Christmas vs pagan traditions.
« Reply #35 on: Tue Dec 18, 2012 - 14:04:15 »
What about the needless waste of electricity? Polluting the air? Burning down homes? There's a host of things on the list.  The disappointment of children.

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« Reply #36 on: Tue Dec 18, 2012 - 14:21:12 »
What about the needless waste of electricity? Polluting the air? Burning down homes? There's a host of things on the list.  The disappointment of children.

Well that there is a different argument, although I don't get the dissapointment point?  My children would be dissapointed if we could not put up a tree, as would my wife and I. 

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« Reply #37 on: Tue Dec 18, 2012 - 14:22:06 »
What about the needless

what about them?

 
waste of electricity?

Oh my...Christmas is not the only time electricity is wasted...that is just silly!

Polluting the air?

No more than that Mercedes pollutes every time you drive it...just sayin'

Burning down homes?

Homes burn that don't have trees in them too, you know?

There's a host of things on the list.
Not really...just fear...what ifs and grasping at straws.  You don't have to have one! But, please know that you don't have to keep trying to justify why...

  The disappointment of children.

Kids need to learn how to have coping skills.  If they are disappointed, it won't kill them...

though..I've no idea why a tree would make them disappointed...other than not getting to have one, that is.

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« Reply #38 on: Tue Dec 18, 2012 - 14:57:47 »
But it's a 180 mph car that gets 33 mpg ;-)  My wife's car gets 40 mpg.  My truck /460 cu gets 10 but I have to have the hi-boy to get my boats in and out.

Not observing Mass and I  save a bundle ;-)              So, I don't observe Yule and put statues out in the yard. And I miss the great pumpkin too.  That day was Reformation day before they turned it to Halloween.                        So, the great pumpkin and satan claus can visit you.   I'll stick with my skeet thrower and stay in practice.   Ain't no haint breaking in on me in the middle of the night...... and to all a good night.   It's a hoot.  Kids get sucker punched but maybe more than kids.

What does santa smoke in that pipe anyway.     Like the lion in the wizzard of oz.....  I believe dr. oz, I, oh, succotash.   All those clothes packed in the sleigh so he can take a swim in HI.

Better not cry I'm telling you....... off the list.  That's right - I'm building a big fire in the fireplace.                 

It's your choice: lie to your kids and teach them fables and myths if you want. No one is going to stop you.  But forgive me for having fun over idiocy.  It is a hoot to watch the foolishness.

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« Reply #39 on: Tue Dec 18, 2012 - 15:02:30 »
But it's a 180 mph car that gets 33 mpg ;-)  My wife's car gets 40 mpg.  My truck /460 cu gets 10 but I have to have the hi-boy to get my boats in and out.

Not observing Mass and I  save a bundle ;-)              So, I don't observe Yule and put statues out in the yard. And I miss the great pumpkin too.  That day was Reformation day before they turned it to Halloween.                        So, the great pumpkin and satan claus can visit you.   I'll stick with my skeet thrower and stay in practice.   Ain't no haint breaking in on me in the middle of the night...... and to all a good night.   It's a hoot.  Kids get sucker punched but maybe more than kids.

What does santa smoke in that pipe anyway.     Like the lion in the wizzard of oz.....  I believe dr. oz, I, oh, succotash.   All those clothes packed in the sleigh so he can take a swim in HI.

Better not cry I'm telling you....... off the list.  That's right - I'm building a big fire in the fireplace.                 

It's your choice: lie to your kids and teach them fables and myths if you want. No one is going to stop you.  But forgive me for having fun over idiocy.  It is a hoot to watch the foolishness.

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Re: Christmas vs pagan traditions.
« Reply #40 on: Tue Dec 18, 2012 - 15:14:57 »
Trust me: I did it in that manner for a purpose.    Folks, you can keep your Yule tide season,  satan claus, frosty and tinker bella, bunny rabbits, baby chickens, colored eggs, statues and sun rise worship.

I'll serve the true and living God.  Mid-week service (Wednesday) is to observe a risen Lord for the sacrifice He made on that day.  One should observe everyday as a day of worship.    I do.

The sea was wet as wet could be,
The sands were dry as dry.
You could not see a cloud, because
No cloud was in the sky:
No birds were flying overhead --
There were no birds to fly.

The Walrus and the Carpenter
Were walking close at hand:
They wept like anything to see
Such quantities of sand:
'If this were only cleared away,'
They said, 'it would be grand.'

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« Reply #41 on: Tue Dec 18, 2012 - 15:19:20 »
Christmas vs pagan traditions

Christ mass is pagan traditions.

Mass is the ritualistic sacrifice made to kill the victim for the forgiveness of sin originated by the pagans.  They ritually kill Jesus daily and then invented the word christmas from Christ's Mass.

Is it really the kids that are getting sucker punched?

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« Reply #42 on: Tue Dec 18, 2012 - 15:32:21 »
Trust me: I did it in that manner for a purpose.    Folks, you can keep your Yule tide season,  satan claus, frosty and tinker bella, bunny rabbits, baby chickens, colored eggs, statues and sun rise worship.

I'll serve the true and living God. 
There you go again...insinuating that people that have a little fun aren't serving the true and Living God...otherwise why even add it.

All you need to say is, "I don't agree its right, but you are free to do as you feel convicted" FULL stop! Hold the holier than thou back patting "I'll serve the true and living God"


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« Reply #43 on: Tue Dec 18, 2012 - 15:32:55 »
Mid-week service (Wednesday) is to observe a risen Lord for the sacrifice He made on that day.  One should observe everyday as a day of worship.    I do.


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« Reply #44 on: Tue Dec 18, 2012 - 15:43:51 »
Trust me: I did it in that manner for a purpose.    Folks, you can keep your Yule tide season,  satan claus, frosty and tinker bella, bunny rabbits, baby chickens, colored eggs, statues and sun rise worship.

I'll serve the true and living God. 
There you go again...insinuating that people that have a little fun aren't serving the true and Living God...otherwise why even add it.

All you need to say is, "I don't agree its right, but you are free to do as you feel convicted" FULL stop! Hold the holier than thou back patting "I'll serve the true and living God"



 Yes very arrogant and self righteous. We ALL serve the living God, I have for 40 years, and yes, I still like Christmas. I love to remember what Jesus did for me coming as a little baby to be my Lord and Saviour. I think its amazing what He did, and definately something worth celebrating. ::clappingoverhead::

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« Reply #45 on: Tue Dec 18, 2012 - 15:44:14 »
Everybody on the planet knows that Thursday was an high day - it was High Holy Sabbath.  That week was High Holy Sabbath on Thursday and regular Sabbath on Saturday.

When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
 
31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
John 19:30-31 (KJV)

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« Reply #46 on: Tue Dec 18, 2012 - 15:47:48 »
Good, Chosenone,

Do as you will. Many have a good spirit about them and the right intentions.  Most of my friends do.

I'm more with CH Spurgeon on this.  I'll post his sermon if I can find it.

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« Reply #47 on: Tue Dec 18, 2012 - 15:52:07 »
CH Spurgeon on Christmas

“We have no superstitious regard for times and seasons. Certainly we do not believe in the present ecclesiastical arrangement called Christmas: first, because we do not believe in the mass at all, but abhor it, whether it be said or sung in Latin or in English; and, secondly, because we find no Scriptural warrant whatever for observing any day as the birthday of the Savior; and, consequently, its observance is a superstition, because not of divine authority.” (Charles Spurgeon, Sermon on Dec. 24, 1871).

“When it can be proved that the observance of Christmas, Whitsuntide, and other Popish festivals was ever instituted by a divine statute, we also will attend to them, but not till then. It is as much our duty to reject the traditions of men, as to observe the ordinances of the Lord. We ask concerning every rite and rubric, “Is this a law of the God of Jacob?” and if it be not clearly so, it is of no authority with us, who walk in Christian liberty.” (from Charles Spurgeon’s Treasury of David on Psalm 81:4.)

Good advise.

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« Reply #48 on: Tue Dec 18, 2012 - 18:12:30 »
CH Spurgeon on Christmas

“We have no superstitious regard for times and seasons. Certainly we do not believe in the present ecclesiastical arrangement called Christmas: first, because we do not believe in the mass at all, but abhor it, whether it be said or sung in Latin or in English; and, secondly, because we find no Scriptural warrant whatever for observing any day as the birthday of the Savior; and, consequently, its observance is a superstition, because not of divine authority.” (Charles Spurgeon, Sermon on Dec. 24, 1871).

“When it can be proved that the observance of Christmas, Whitsuntide, and other Popish festivals was ever instituted by a divine statute, we also will attend to them, but not till then. It is as much our duty to reject the traditions of men, as to observe the ordinances of the Lord. We ask concerning every rite and rubric, “Is this a law of the God of Jacob?” and if it be not clearly so, it is of no authority with us, who walk in Christian liberty.” (from Charles Spurgeon’s Treasury of David on Psalm 81:4.)

Good advise.

Just an opinion of a man...
I like this writing about Christmas much better!

Luke 2:8-14

 8In the same region there were some shepherds staying out in the fields and keeping watch over their flock by night. 9And an angel of the Lord suddenly stood before them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them; and they were terribly frightened. 10But the angel said to them, “Do not be afraid; for behold, I bring you good news of great joy which will be for all the people; 11for today in the city of David there has been born for you a Savior, who is Christ the Lord. 12“This will be a sign for you: you will find a baby wrapped in cloths and lying in a manger.” 13And suddenly there appeared with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God and saying,

14“Glory to God in the highest,
         And on earth peace among men with whom He is pleased.”


Who cares what day it fell upon?! (Can you imagine the wackos that would think they were "God's gift" if their birthday happened to fall on the known birth day of Christ?)

What is clear is that the Heavens celebrated the brith of our Savior who is Christ our Lord! If the angels said it was good news, and then sang in praise and celebration...its not wrong for us to do the same! 
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« Reply #49 on: Wed Dec 19, 2012 - 05:16:34 »
I do. The scriptures are correct.  And they tell us not to follow the traditions of man.   Folks have to lie and convince children about santa and they are not that dumb. The start out knowing there is no santa.

Yule season is occultist and satanists culminating into pagan religionist.         Nothing Christian about it.    If churches want to celebrate the Lord Jesus Christ's birth; then be sensible about it.

Look around, see what's going on. Admit it, you were sucker punched by the catholics with their deception of Christ's Mass.  Be concerned abou the truth......   Celebrate Jesus' birth in September without statues and trees.    DEC 25th is for the pagan christ Tammuz.  Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. 22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. 23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. 25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things. 26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.
John 4:21-26 (KJV)

Whereunto I am appointed a preacher, and an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles. 12 For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day. 13 Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus. 14 That good thing which was committed unto thee keep by the Holy Ghost which dwelleth in us.
2 Tim 1:11-14 (KJV)

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« Reply #50 on: Wed Dec 19, 2012 - 08:14:07 »
I do. The scriptures are correct.  And they tell us not to follow the traditions of man.   Folks have to lie and convince children about santa and they are not that dumb. The start out knowing there is no santa.

Yule season is occultist and satanists culminating into pagan religionist.         Nothing Christian about it.    If churches want to celebrate the Lord Jesus Christ's birth; then be sensible about it.

Look around, see what's going on. Admit it, you were sucker punched by the catholics with their deception of Christ's Mass.  Be concerned abou the truth......   Celebrate Jesus' birth in September without statues and trees.    DEC 25th is for the pagan christ Tammuz.  Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. 22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. 23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. 25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things. 26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.
John 4:21-26 (KJV)

Whereunto I am appointed a preacher, and an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles. 12 For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day. 13 Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus. 14 That good thing which was committed unto thee keep by the Holy Ghost which dwelleth in us.
2 Tim 1:11-14 (KJV)

Just go about your life not celebrating, but please do not feel you must justify why you choose not to.  There is no reason to try and convice others they are wrong for doing so either.

And, seriously, if you're not gonna down your candy cane, can I have it?
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« Reply #51 on: Wed Dec 19, 2012 - 08:38:44 »
Memyself and now I,  sure I am in remembrance of Jesus' birth in September and occasionally throughout the year.  It causes me to be humble and seek my prayer closet and shed tears.

Jesus said, the foxes have holes, the birds nest, but the son of man hath not where to lay his head.  We are a people of shame and arrogance.   Jesus entered into a life under the shadow of a Roman cross, was spit upon, beaten, despised and hated. I do not see ChristMass as an act of humility.

My candy cane: I get mine at the bank and other places that hand them out --- go get your own.  ;-)

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« Reply #52 on: Wed Dec 19, 2012 - 08:41:06 »
I do not see ChristMass as an act of humility.

so, for you, its not right to celebrate! I have no issue with that! Go in peace...

but...

likewise let others whose convictions differ from yours, celebrate in peace

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« Reply #53 on: Thu Dec 20, 2012 - 05:35:56 »
The goof-ball of Nikolaos ---- he never existed; only myth.  Look at all the one's claiming that from all the different countries - hint that it's a lie.

Whether or not the Nicolas in Acts who was a deacon started the Nicolations is irrelevant.

He was long dead before the Saint Nicolas (Nikolaos of Myra) was ever born - that being March 15, 270 ad. 

What is your proof that " ... he never existed?"

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« Reply #54 on: Thu Dec 20, 2012 - 08:31:09 »
I do not see ChristMass as an act of humility.

so, for you, its not right to celebrate! I have no issue with that! Go in peace...

but...

likewise let others whose convictions differ from yours, celebrate in peace

thanks!

Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. 3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. 4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not. 5 They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good. 6 Forasmuch as there is none like unto thee, O Lord; thou art great, and thy name is great in might. 7 Who would not fear thee, O King of nations? for to thee doth it appertain: forasmuch as among all the wise men of the nations, and in all their kingdoms, there is none like unto thee. 8 But they are altogether brutish and foolish: the stock is a doctrine of vanities.

I am but a man.  My Lord lived under the shadow of death, so I seek to be humble.  No parties; only prayer.   No parties either at Passover time when my Lord was crucified.       I choose not to follow the tradition of men.   I do not dictate to anyone nor can tell them what they have to do.
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« Reply #55 on: Thu Dec 20, 2012 - 09:19:37 »
I do not see ChristMass as an act of humility.

so, for you, its not right to celebrate! I have no issue with that! Go in peace...

but...

likewise let others whose convictions differ from yours, celebrate in peace

thanks!

Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. 3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. 4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not. 5 They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good. 6 Forasmuch as there is none like unto thee, O Lord; thou art great, and thy name is great in might. 7 Who would not fear thee, O King of nations? for to thee doth it appertain: forasmuch as among all the wise men of the nations, and in all their kingdoms, there is none like unto thee. 8 But they are altogether brutish and foolish: the stock is a doctrine of vanities.

I am but a man.  My Lord lived under the shadow of death, so I seek to be humble.  No parties; only prayer.   No parties either at Passover time when my Lord was crucified.       I choose not to follow the tradition of men.   I do not dictate to anyone nor can tell them what they have to do.
Jer 10:2-8 (KJV)

Seriously!  You don't follow any traditions of man?  Honest?

I highly doubt it..just this one that you've decided is sin is all.

Have you not also read Colossians 2:16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.
Don't you know Romans 14 says there will be differences in convictions and to show grace.  You aren't going to change my mind. I'm not going to change yours.

Have a wonderful day next Monday and Tuesday, though!

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« Reply #56 on: Mon Dec 24, 2012 - 07:27:11 »
It is my understanding the temple shepherds kept a lambing stable in the caves and that would probably be where Jesus was born. I doubt a camel showed up until he was several months old when the wise men came to the house his parents had moved into.  I don't know where the pope got the idea  there were no animals. And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger. Luke 2:12  I wonder what he thinks a manger is????   I have no scripture  to back the cave theory, but study of life at that time, gives the cave creedence.
Since Bethlehem is near Jerusalem (presently they abut) but not right in Jerusalem, it is very unlikely that it was used as a stockyard for the Temple.  That would have been closer.

And if the fall people are correct (which I think they are) HE was born during the feast of Sukkot/tabernacles in which case it is very possible he was born in a sukkah.

The word "manger" is φάτνη which means an eating place. (it is also translated 'stall' in Luke 13.15) Interesting since the name of the town was Bethlehem which translated is 'House of Bread.' (or possibly 'House of Life') 

I hate to correct you, but yes Bethelem countryside was used to raise the sheep for the temple.

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« Reply #57 on: Wed Dec 26, 2012 - 19:10:25 »
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Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. 3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. 4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not. 5 They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good. 6 Forasmuch as there is none like unto thee, O Lord; thou art great, and thy name is great in might. 7 Who would not fear thee, O King of nations? for to thee doth it appertain: forasmuch as among all the wise men of the nations, and in all their kingdoms, there is none like unto thee. 8 But they are altogether brutish and foolish: the stock is a doctrine of vanities.

I am but a man.  My Lord lived under the shadow of death, so I seek to be humble.  No parties; only prayer.   No parties either at Passover time when my Lord was crucified.       I choose not to follow the tradition of men.   I do not dictate to anyone nor can tell them what they have to do.
Jer 10:2-8 (KJV)

Seriously!  You don't follow any traditions of man?  Honest?


I highly doubt it..just this one that you've decided is sin is all.

Have you not also read Colossians 2:16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.
Don't you know Romans 14 says there will be differences in convictions and to show grace.  You aren't going to change my mind. I'm not going to change yours.

Have a wonderful day next Monday and Tuesday, though!

I know of no traditions (pagan) of men (try to do the traditional thing and go to church), that I do.    ::announcment::  I've never watched a football game.   ::playingguitar::   ::tippinghat::    ::shrug::
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Re: Christmas vs pagan traditions.
« Reply #58 on: Thu Dec 27, 2012 - 09:02:17 »
It is my understanding the temple shepherds kept a lambing stable in the caves and that would probably be where Jesus was born. I doubt a camel showed up until he was several months old when the wise men came to the house his parents had moved into.  I don't know where the pope got the idea  there were no animals. And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger. Luke 2:12  I wonder what he thinks a manger is????   I have no scripture  to back the cave theory, but study of life at that time, gives the cave creedence.
Since Bethlehem is near Jerusalem (presently they abut) but not right in Jerusalem, it is very unlikely that it was used as a stockyard for the Temple.  That would have been closer.

And if the fall people are correct (which I think they are) HE was born during the feast of Sukkot/tabernacles in which case it is very possible he was born in a sukkah.

The word "manger" is φάτνη which means an eating place. (it is also translated 'stall' in Luke 13.15) Interesting since the name of the town was Bethlehem which translated is 'House of Bread.' (or possibly 'House of Life') 

I hate to correct you, but yes Bethelem countryside was used to raise the sheep for the temple.
Not saying you are wrong, but you just might want to research that one a bit.  Those temple sheep got some pretty esoteric handling and treatment.... right from birth.
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Re: Christmas vs pagan traditions.
« Reply #59 on: Thu Dec 27, 2012 - 09:17:31 »
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Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. 3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. 4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not. 5 They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good. 6 Forasmuch as there is none like unto thee, O Lord; thou art great, and thy name is great in might. 7 Who would not fear thee, O King of nations? for to thee doth it appertain: forasmuch as among all the wise men of the nations, and in all their kingdoms, there is none like unto thee. 8 But they are altogether brutish and foolish: the stock is a doctrine of vanities.

I am but a man.  My Lord lived under the shadow of death, so I seek to be humble.  No parties; only prayer.   No parties either at Passover time when my Lord was crucified.       I choose not to follow the tradition of men.   I do not dictate to anyone nor can tell them what they have to do.
Jer 10:2-8 (KJV)

Seriously!  You don't follow any traditions of man?  Honest?


I highly doubt it..just this one that you've decided is sin is all.

Have you not also read Colossians 2:16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.
Don't you know Romans 14 says there will be differences in convictions and to show grace.  You aren't going to change my mind. I'm not going to change yours.

Have a wonderful day next Monday and Tuesday, though!

I know of no traditions (pagan) of men (try to do the traditional thing and go to church), that I do.    ::announcment::  I've never watched a football game.   ::playingguitar::   ::tippinghat::    ::shrug::

You post on a message board.  Tradition of man. 

Not watching a football game is also a tradition...but of women. ::giggle::


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Re: Christmas vs pagan traditions.
« Reply #60 on: Thu Dec 27, 2012 - 09:54:30 »
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Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. 3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. 4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not. 5 They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good. 6 Forasmuch as there is none like unto thee, O Lord; thou art great, and thy name is great in might. 7 Who would not fear thee, O King of nations? for to thee doth it appertain: forasmuch as among all the wise men of the nations, and in all their kingdoms, there is none like unto thee. 8 But they are altogether brutish and foolish: the stock is a doctrine of vanities.

I am but a man.  My Lord lived under the shadow of death, so I seek to be humble.  No parties; only prayer.   No parties either at Passover time when my Lord was crucified.       I choose not to follow the tradition of men.   I do not dictate to anyone nor can tell them what they have to do.
Jer 10:2-8 (KJV)

Seriously!  You don't follow any traditions of man?  Honest?


I highly doubt it..just this one that you've decided is sin is all.

Have you not also read Colossians 2:16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.
Don't you know Romans 14 says there will be differences in convictions and to show grace.  You aren't going to change my mind. I'm not going to change yours.

Have a wonderful day next Monday and Tuesday, though!

I know of no traditions (pagan) of men (try to do the traditional thing and go to church), that I do.    ::announcment::  I've never watched a football game.   ::playingguitar::   ::tippinghat::    ::shrug::

You post on a message board.  Tradition of man. 

Not watching a football game is also a tradition...but of women. ::giggle::

Oh SNAP.... rofl

Manna for that one. ::smile::

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Re: Christmas vs pagan traditions.
« Reply #61 on: Thu Dec 27, 2012 - 09:57:25 »
Oh SNAP.... rofl

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Re: Christmas vs pagan traditions.
« Reply #62 on: Thu Dec 27, 2012 - 12:44:20 »
 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. 12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
Matt 5:11-12 (KJV)

Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering; 13 Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye. 14 And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.
Col 3:12-14 (KJV)

 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2 Tim 4:2 (KJV)

Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. 17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him? 18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth. 19 And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him.
 
20 For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things. 21 Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God. 22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
 
23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
1 John 3:16-24 (KJV)

 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Matt 7:15-20 (KJV)

“We have no superstitious regard for times and seasons. Certainly we do not believe in the present ecclesiastical arrangement called Christmas: first, because we do not believe in the mass at all, but abhor it, whether it be said or sung in Latin or in English; and, secondly, because we find no Scriptural warrant whatever for observing any day as the birthday of the Savior; and, consequently, its observance is a superstition, because not of divine authority.” (Charles Spurgeon, Sermon on Dec. 24, 1871).

“When it can be proved that the observance of Christmas, Whitsuntide, and other Popish festivals was ever instituted by a divine statute, we also will attend to them, but not till then. It is as much our duty to reject the traditions of men, as to observe the ordinances of the Lord. We ask concerning every rite and rubric, “Is this a law of the God of Jacob?” and if it be not clearly so, it is of no authority with us, who walk in Christian liberty.” (from Charles Spurgeon’s Treasury of David on Psalm 81:4.)

Good advise.