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« on: September 16, 2009, 07:22:20 PM »

so whats this all about ?  don't you believe  church and state are  to remain seperate?
And any comments about the pastors sermons prayers etc would also be of interest in understanding funda indepen baptist beliefs.
also isnt fred phillips church also  -------a independent fundamental baptist church? i guess what i am asking .Is this stuff kinda A
shock and awe sorta  Baptist way to draw people through free news and then hope they will want to learn   more about independent  baptist churches in hopes of more membership?

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http://www.talk2action.org/story/2009/9/1/125513/4972/Front_Page/In_2nd_Death_Prayer_Sermon_Pastor_Declares_quot_Somebody_Should_Abort_Obama_quot_
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« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2009, 09:23:37 PM »

ex c:

1) I think you have an adenda.

2) The way to promote an agenda is to find an extreme example and then try to portray it as somehow representative.


so whats this all about ?  don't you believe  church and state are  to remain seperate?
And any comments about the pastors sermons prayers etc would also be of interest in understanding funda indepen baptist beliefs.
also isnt fred phillips church also  -------a independent fundamental baptist church? i guess what i am asking .Is this stuff kinda A
shock and awe sorta  Baptist way to draw people through free news and then hope they will want to learn   more about independent  baptist churches in hopes of more membership?

 Thanks  



http://www.talk2action.org/story/2009/9/1/125513/4972/Front_Page/In_2nd_Death_Prayer_Sermon_Pastor_Declares_quot_Somebody_Should_Abort_Obama_quot_
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« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2009, 11:50:21 PM »

ex c:

1) I think you have an adenda.

2) The way to promote an agenda is to find an extreme example and then try to portray it as somehow representative.


so whats this all about ?  don't you believe  church and state are  to remain seperate?
And any comments about the pastors sermons prayers etc would also be of interest in understanding funda indepen baptist beliefs.
also isnt fred phillips church also  -------a independent fundamental baptist church? i guess what i am asking .Is this stuff kinda A
shock and awe sorta  Baptist way to draw people through free news and then hope they will want to learn   more about independent  baptist churches in hopes of more membership?

 Thanks  



http://www.talk2action.org/story/2009/9/1/125513/4972/Front_Page/In_2nd_Death_Prayer_Sermon_Pastor_Declares_quot_Somebody_Should_Abort_Obama_quot_

I take it you dont want to talk about it . Pondering Beating a dead horse




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« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2009, 11:52:49 PM »

ex c:

1) I think you have an adenda.

2) The way to promote an agenda is to find an extreme example and then try to portray it as somehow representative.


so whats this all about ?  don't you believe  church and state are  to remain seperate?
And any comments about the pastors sermons prayers etc would also be of interest in understanding funda indepen baptist beliefs.
also isnt fred phillips church also  -------a independent fundamental baptist church? i guess what i am asking .Is this stuff kinda A
shock and awe sorta  Baptist way to draw people through free news and then hope they will want to learn   more about independent  baptist churches in hopes of more membership?

 Thanks   



http://www.talk2action.org/story/2009/9/1/125513/4972/Front_Page/In_2nd_Death_Prayer_Sermon_Pastor_Declares_quot_Somebody_Should_Abort_Obama_quot_

So by saying they are extreme  .  You think it gets fundimental independent baptist's off the hook so to speak? especialy if a lutheran asks hinting that  their is no love loss between baptist and lutherans .

that would  work if one is already a  independent fundemental baptist perhaps  . But what about those that are not baptist or lutheran
The rest of the world who would  like to know more. But I cant make any one tell any one else  about their religion .



If you are going to equate this guy and Fred Phelps as standard bearers for Independent Fundamentalist Baptists, would it be okay if I equate practicing homosexual clergy with all Lutherans?
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« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2009, 01:57:38 AM »

ex c:

1) I think you have an adenda.

2) The way to promote an agenda is to find an extreme example and then try to portray it as somehow representative.


so whats this all about ?  don't you believe  church and state are  to remain seperate?
And any comments about the pastors sermons prayers etc would also be of interest in understanding funda indepen baptist beliefs.
also isnt fred phillips church also  -------a independent fundamental baptist church? i guess what i am asking .Is this stuff kinda A
shock and awe sorta  Baptist way to draw people through free news and then hope they will want to learn   more about independent  baptist churches in hopes of more membership?

 Thanks  



http://www.talk2action.org/story/2009/9/1/125513/4972/Front_Page/In_2nd_Death_Prayer_Sermon_Pastor_Declares_quot_Somebody_Should_Abort_Obama_quot_

So by saying they are extreme  .  You think it gets fundimental independent baptist's off the hook so to speak? especialy if a lutheran asks hinting that  their is no love loss between baptist and lutherans .

that would  work if one is already a  independent fundemental baptist perhaps  . But what about those that are not baptist or lutheran
The rest of the world who would  like to know more. But I cant make any one tell any one else  about their religion .



If you are going to equate this guy and Fred Phelps as standard bearers for Independent Fundamentalist Baptists, would it be okay if I equate practicing homosexual clergy with all Lutherans?

fred phelps not  southern baptist, he does not claim to be primitive baptist .

didnt he claim to be  a independent fundamental baptist?Confused

i hate to tell ya this but

i dont think the  elca homosexual bunch would think to kindly of you placing them amoungst  us confessional  lutherans after all even they have some scruppels. they dont want to hang around a bunch of sinner's.



on the other hand i thought baptist preacher Fred  Phillips liked and was proud of the label indepent fundamental baptist




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« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2009, 08:57:44 AM »

ex c:

1) I think you have an adenda.

2) The way to promote an agenda is to find an extreme example and then try to portray it as somehow representative.


so whats this all about ?  don't you believe  church and state are  to remain seperate?
And any comments about the pastors sermons prayers etc would also be of interest in understanding funda indepen baptist beliefs.
also isnt fred phillips church also  -------a independent fundamental baptist church? i guess what i am asking .Is this stuff kinda A
shock and awe sorta  Baptist way to draw people through free news and then hope they will want to learn   more about independent  baptist churches in hopes of more membership?

 Thanks   



http://www.talk2action.org/story/2009/9/1/125513/4972/Front_Page/In_2nd_Death_Prayer_Sermon_Pastor_Declares_quot_Somebody_Should_Abort_Obama_quot_

So by saying they are extreme  .  You think it gets fundimental independent baptist's off the hook so to speak? especialy if a lutheran asks hinting that  their is no love loss between baptist and lutherans .

that would  work if one is already a  independent fundemental baptist perhaps  . But what about those that are not baptist or lutheran
The rest of the world who would  like to know more. But I cant make any one tell any one else  about their religion .



If you are going to equate this guy and Fred Phelps as standard bearers for Independent Fundamentalist Baptists, would it be okay if I equate practicing homosexual clergy with all Lutherans?

fred phelps not  southern baptist, he does not claim to be primitive baptist .

didnt he claim to be  a independent fundamental baptist?Confused

i hate to tell ya this but

i dont think the  elca homosexual bunch would think to kindly of you placing them amoungst  us confessional  lutherans after all even they have some scruppels. they dont want to hang around a bunch of sinner's.



on the other hand i thought baptist preacher Fred  Phillips liked and was proud of the label indepent fundamental baptist






The conservative Lutherans may not like me pointing to homosexual clergy as their standard bearers any more than many Independent Fundamentalist Baptists would appreciate your insinuation that Phelps is the standard bearer for their type of church.
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« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2009, 01:35:51 PM »

ex c:

1) I think you have an adenda.

2) The way to promote an agenda is to find an extreme example and then try to portray it as somehow representative.


so whats this all about ?  don't you believe  church and state are  to remain seperate?
And any comments about the pastors sermons prayers etc would also be of interest in understanding funda indepen baptist beliefs.
also isnt fred phillips church also  -------a independent fundamental baptist church? i guess what i am asking .Is this stuff kinda A
shock and awe sorta  Baptist way to draw people through free news and then hope they will want to learn   more about independent  baptist churches in hopes of more membership?

 Thanks   



http://www.talk2action.org/story/2009/9/1/125513/4972/Front_Page/In_2nd_Death_Prayer_Sermon_Pastor_Declares_quot_Somebody_Should_Abort_Obama_quot_

So by saying they are extreme  .  You think it gets fundimental independent baptist's off the hook so to speak? especialy if a lutheran asks hinting that  their is no love loss between baptist and lutherans .

that would  work if one is already a  independent fundemental baptist perhaps  . But what about those that are not baptist or lutheran
The rest of the world who would  like to know more. But I cant make any one tell any one else  about their religion .



If you are going to equate this guy and Fred Phelps as standard bearers for Independent Fundamentalist Baptists, would it be okay if I equate practicing homosexual clergy with all Lutherans?

fred phelps not  southern baptist, he does not claim to be primitive baptist .

didnt he claim to be  a independent fundamental baptist?Confused

i hate to tell ya this but

i dont think the  elca homosexual bunch would think to kindly of you placing them amoungst  us confessional  lutherans after all even they have some scruppels. they dont want to hang around a bunch of sinner's.



on the other hand i thought baptist preacher Fred  Phillips liked and was proud of the label indepent fundamental baptist






The conservative Lutherans may not like me pointing to homosexual clergy as their standard bearers any more than many Independent Fundamentalist Baptists would appreciate your insinuation that Phelps is the standard bearer for their type of church.


yet this is what people see when they look at baptists or lutherans . They dont stop and concider any group that wants to can call them selves Lutheran or baptist can call them selves that -------- since the names are not copy writted .
so since people see Lutherans  all lumped together under the big umbrella of lutheran and also the same with  baptist. You would think instead of being uncomfortable with things  like .

"hey Luther was anti-semetic, I read what he said about  the jews and there lies'
we would have researched all about it and answered it so many times . It would be come very comfortable to us to answer such things.

Instead of getting upset.

a simple yea fred phillips church has labeled and identified them selves as fundemental independent baptist .

now let me tell ya what my fundamental  independent baptist church teaches . about how one such treat sinners who also need Jesus.


when challanged about Luther's  anti-semetism  . Rather than bring up all the nasty  facts about why luther became so angry .

it seems To get peoples attention better and draw them in to a conversation about the reason  Jesus came  .
to reply

yes luther and those jews  bore real and true sins did they not? And its a good thing to.

 Because  God does not save imaginerary sinners.

We must be honest and bold about our  sins AND LET OUR TRUST IN Jesus his  FORGIVNES BE EVEN Stronger Than our sin.s.

now if God could save some one as evil as  Luther dont you think he could save just as easly a dirty rotten rat like me and you the very same way?

Gods blessings and

get to like answering comfortably the uncomfortable questions because God has not put us here to fill our own church pews down here but heaven up their.





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