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Baptist Split?
« on: Thu Apr 04, 2013 - 18:56:27 »
I have heard about the Armenian and Calvinistic viewpoint (Which should really be credited to St. Augustine, but anyway).
I attended Armenian Baptists type churches for a while when I was a kid and my parents still do. My cousin seems to slant toward Calvinistic Monergistic beliefs.

There are already mainstream Baptists and Freewill Baptists, Northern and Southern Baptists, etc.

My question is, if history is any indicator, do Baptists and associated groups, see an upcoming denominational split between Armenian and Calvinistic Baptists?

I ask as a non-Baptist.

Thank you.
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Re: Baptist Split?
« Reply #1 on: Mon Apr 08, 2013 - 18:24:51 »
I have heard about the Armenian and Calvinistic viewpoint (Which should really be credited to St. Augustine, but anyway).
I attended Armenian Baptists type churches for a while when I was a kid and my parents still do. My cousin seems to slant toward Calvinistic Monergistic beliefs.

There are already mainstream Baptists and Freewill Baptists, Northern and Southern Baptists, etc.

My question is, if history is any indicator, do Baptists and associated groups, see an upcoming denominational split between Armenian and Calvinistic Baptists?

I ask as a non-Baptist.

Thank you.

As a "non-Baptist" will you acknowledge how many splits there are within your own group?  It's a relevant question since your group has historically targeted the Baptists, in general. 

To answer the question, I know about the SBC.  As far as I know there has always been this "split" within the SBC community and it is more evident since Al Mohler, a Calvinist, took over the Southern Baptist Seminary.  Southern Baptists may have their "splits" but they don't doom each other to damnation over such things as sitting vs. standing while taking communion and instrumental vs. non-instrumental worship as does another group with which I was once a member. 

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Re: Baptist Split?
« Reply #2 on: Fri Apr 12, 2013 - 19:50:15 »
I have heard about the Armenian and Calvinistic viewpoint (Which should really be credited to St. Augustine, but anyway).
I attended Armenian Baptists type churches for a while when I was a kid and my parents still do. My cousin seems to slant toward Calvinistic Monergistic beliefs.

There are already mainstream Baptists and Freewill Baptists, Northern and Southern Baptists, etc.

My question is, if history is any indicator, do Baptists and associated groups, see an upcoming denominational split between Armenian and Calvinistic Baptists?

I ask as a non-Baptist.

Thank you.

As a "non-Baptist" will you acknowledge how many splits there are within your own group?  It's a relevant question since your group has historically targeted the Baptists, in general. 

To answer the question, I know about the SBC.  As far as I know there has always been this "split" within the SBC community and it is more evident since Al Mohler, a Calvinist, took over the Southern Baptist Seminary.  Southern Baptists may have their "splits" but they don't doom each other to damnation over such things as sitting vs. standing while taking communion and instrumental vs. non-instrumental worship as does another group with which I was once a member. 
You misunderstand me, but I'm glad you responded. I don't mean this in anyway as a criticism. I am sincerely intrigued. I agree that it's wrong to doom others over sitting vs. standing  and instrumental vs. non-instrumental. Do you think this philosophical split will lead to a denominational split?

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« Reply #3 on: Sat Apr 20, 2013 - 08:30:06 »
Southern Baptists may have their "splits" but they don't doom each other to damnation over such things as sitting vs. standing while taking communion and instrumental vs. non-instrumental worship as does another group with which I was once a member. 

I thought I had heard of all the reasons given for splits but sitting vs standing is a new one for me. Who thinks they have to stand during communion?

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Re: Baptist Split?
« Reply #4 on: Sun Apr 21, 2013 - 04:57:45 »
Southern Baptists may have their "splits" but they don't doom each other to damnation over such things as sitting vs. standing while taking communion and instrumental vs. non-instrumental worship as does another group with which I was once a member. 

I thought I had heard of all the reasons given for splits but sitting vs standing is a new one for me. Who thinks they have to stand during communion?
I've never heard of it, personally.

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Re: Baptist Split?
« Reply #5 on: Thu Apr 25, 2013 - 10:15:59 »
I thought I had heard of all the reasons given for splits but sitting vs standing is a new one for me. Who thinks they have to stand during communion?

We stand.

That said, there have been splits over such things as the time signature on the music.  Back in the 1600s there was a group that insisted all church music had to be in a three beat (3/8, 3/4) to signify the trinity and even came up with a version of the violone (string bass viol) with only 3 strings - commonly called a "church bass."

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« Reply #6 on: Thu Apr 25, 2013 - 14:34:33 »
I thought I had heard of all the reasons given for splits but sitting vs standing is a new one for me. Who thinks they have to stand during communion?

We stand.

 

Why? Is it custom or is it something you think you have to do?

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« Reply #7 on: Thu Apr 25, 2013 - 16:01:20 »
There are over 50 different flavor of Baptists.

Reformed Baptists or "Doctrines of Grace Baptists" are your Calvinistic ones.

Traditional SBC baptists are neither Armenian nor Calvinistic. (Yes there is a third position)

Despite the Calvinistic leanings of one Seminary president and then the Dispensationalist leanings of another Seminary traditional SBC baptists are neither.

Inside the Convention there is actually one position in the SBC that all these different factions want control of. (The one with the money)

And where the different groups throw up a fuss every now and then it truly is a "good ol boy" network when it comes to that one position. Unless you truly are a Traditional undefinable Southern Baptist you can't have that job. And it infuriates all the different factions to no end.

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« Reply #8 on: Sun Apr 28, 2013 - 16:14:46 »
I thought I had heard of all the reasons given for splits but sitting vs standing is a new one for me. Who thinks they have to stand during communion?
We stand.
Why? Is it custom or is it something you think you have to do?

It is our custom.  That is all.

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« Reply #9 on: Sun Apr 28, 2013 - 21:53:53 »
I thought I had heard of all the reasons given for splits but sitting vs standing is a new one for me. Who thinks they have to stand during communion?
We stand.
Why? Is it custom or is it something you think you have to do?

It is our custom.  That is all.

As a custom, I kind of like the idea. Customs are things that bind us together as families.

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Re: Baptist Split?
« Reply #10 on: Fri May 03, 2013 - 19:54:11 »
There are over 50 different flavor of Baptists.

Reformed Baptists or "Doctrines of Grace Baptists" are your Calvinistic ones.

Traditional SBC baptists are neither Armenian nor Calvinistic. (Yes there is a third position)

Despite the Calvinistic leanings of one Seminary president and then the Dispensationalist leanings of another Seminary traditional SBC baptists are neither.

Inside the Convention there is actually one position in the SBC that all these different factions want control of. (The one with the money)

And where the different groups throw up a fuss every now and then it truly is a "good ol boy" network when it comes to that one position. Unless you truly are a Traditional undefinable Southern Baptist you can't have that job. And it infuriates all the different factions to no end.
Fascinating, thank you.

 

     
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