southern baptist's

[ex cathedra]

how much of the bible teachings do southern baptist pastors and there congregations  insist upon before they declaire   religious fellowshp with a pastor or a lay  person that wants to join the denomination?

[Joker]

I am not sure I understand your question.

Every church is independent.   

Here is the SBC website.   www.sbc.net

This fact page may help you better understand what the SBC is and is not.

http://www.sbc.net/aboutus/faqs.asp#3

[ex cathedra]

I am not sure I understand your question.

Every church is independent.    

Here is the SBC website.   www.sbc.net

This fact page may help you better understand what the SBC is and is not.

http://www.sbc.net/aboutus/faqs.asp#3

Read it and this seems to be the theme. of sbc


Once again, because of the autonomous nature of SBC churches, there is no policy within the Convention that addresses these matters.  Each church directs its own affairs apart from outside intervention, deciding for itself how to deal with such matters.
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very different than confessional lutherans


from the formula concord epitome //// You can read the rest here  http://bookofconcord.org/fc-ep.php ---------------------------------


solid   decloration  #1

1] 1. We believe, teach, and confess that the sole rule and standard according to which all dogmas together with [all] teachers should be estimated and judged are the prophetic and apostolic Scriptures of the Old and of the New Testament alone, as it is written Ps. 119:105: Thy Word is a lamp unto my feet and a light unto my path. And St. Paul: Though an angel from heaven preach any other gospel unto you, let him be accursed, Gal. 1:8.

[JohnDB]

I have been in SBC churchs since I was a week old.

So I guess I know a little something about them.

Once upon a time membership in some churchs was tentative upon successfully completing new member classes....and there was an oral exam at the end of it.

You had to be able to speak what we believed and why...classes took about a year.

There is a story of one poor fellow who was from a rather poor house...his father had left his mother penniless. He went to classes and failed them his first year.

So he went back to take them again...poor poor Dwight. The church even took up a collection so he could have decent clothes to wear on Sundays...

But today Dwight L. Moody is a standard in his own right of theology classes.

But for the most part there is a book called "What Baptists believe...or maybe it is the Baptist Faith and Message commentary written by Herschal Hobbs that will give you a clue to see if you are going to be comfortable in a Baptist congregation.

Some congregations are Calvinistic in nature. (reformed...grace doctrine) Most are not though. Nor are they Arminian...they are Baptist which isn't like those other two.

Kinda strange to explain...cause you can't without writing a book...as if that would really cover the subject at hand.

So...generally speaking if you have enjoyed a "Believer's Baptism" by complete immersion into water. (one of their biggies) then you can usually join any SBC church you happen to like.

[ex cathedra]

I have been in SBC churchs since I was a week old.

So I guess I know a little something about them.

Once upon a time membership in some churchs was tentative upon successfully completing new member classes....and there was an oral exam at the end of it.

You had to be able to speak what we believed and why...classes took about a year.

There is a story of one poor fellow who was from a rather poor house...his father had left his mother penniless. He went to classes and failed them his first year.

So he went back to take them again...poor poor Dwight. The church even took up a collection so he could have decent clothes to wear on Sundays...

But today Dwight L. Moody is a standard in his own right of theology classes.

But for the most part there is a book called "What Baptists believe...or maybe it is the Baptist Faith and Message commentary written by Herschal Hobbs that will give you a clue to see if you are going to be comfortable in a Baptist congregation.

Some congregations are Calvinistic in nature. (reformed...grace doctrine) Most are not though. Nor are they Arminian...they are Baptist which isn't like those other two.

Kinda strange to explain...cause you can't without writing a book...as if that would really cover the subject at hand.

So...generally speaking if you have enjoyed a "Believer's Baptism" by complete immersion into water. (one of their biggies) then you can usually join any SBC church you happen to like.

how can a calvanist and arminians  Be OF  one mind in Christ?             1 Corinthians 1:10

 Dont both  give some financial support  to the sbc?
would it not be better the ones who believed Gods word Taught  calvanist and the ones who beloved Gods word taught  arminian .
stayed away  from each other religiously---------romans 16:17
does not seem right to support financial  and defend the others error ------john 14:23

does it?

[ex cathedra]

I have been in SBC churchs since I was a week old.

So I guess I know a little something about them.

Once upon a time membership in some churchs was tentative upon successfully completing new member classes....and there was an oral exam at the end of it.

You had to be able to speak what we believed and why...classes took about a year.

There is a story of one poor fellow who was from a rather poor house...his father had left his mother penniless. He went to classes and failed them his first year.

So he went back to take them again...poor poor Dwight. The church even took up a collection so he could have decent clothes to wear on Sundays...

But today Dwight L. Moody is a standard in his own right of theology classes.

But for the most part there is a book called "What Baptists believe...or maybe it is the Baptist Faith and Message commentary written by Herschal Hobbs that will give you a clue to see if you are going to be comfortable in a Baptist congregation.

Some congregations are Calvinistic in nature. (reformed...grace doctrine) Most are not though. Nor are they Arminian...they are Baptist which isn't like those other two.

Kinda strange to explain...cause you can't without writing a book...as if that would really cover the subject at hand.

So...generally speaking if you have enjoyed a "Believer's Baptism" by complete immersion into water. (one of their biggies) then you can usually join any SBC church you happen to like.

the most famous southern Baptist OF THEM ALL ---------------- Dr Billy Graham on INFANT BAPTISM

“I do believe that something happens at the baptism of an infant....We cannot fully understand the mysteries of God, but I believe a miracle can happen in these children so that they are regenerated, that is, made Christian, through infant baptism. If you want to call that baptismal regeneration, that’s all right with me”  Billy Graham, Oct. 10, 1961

[farouk]

Ex c:

As you will know, the gentleman you mentioned does not necessarily always speak for the Scriptures. When he does do so, it is good.

I have been in SBC churchs since I was a week old.

So I guess I know a little something about them.

Once upon a time membership in some churchs was tentative upon successfully completing new member classes....and there was an oral exam at the end of it.

You had to be able to speak what we believed and why...classes took about a year.

There is a story of one poor fellow who was from a rather poor house...his father had left his mother penniless. He went to classes and failed them his first year.

So he went back to take them again...poor poor Dwight. The church even took up a collection so he could have decent clothes to wear on Sundays...

But today Dwight L. Moody is a standard in his own right of theology classes.

But for the most part there is a book called "What Baptists believe...or maybe it is the Baptist Faith and Message commentary written by Herschal Hobbs that will give you a clue to see if you are going to be comfortable in a Baptist congregation.

Some congregations are Calvinistic in nature. (reformed...grace doctrine) Most are not though. Nor are they Arminian...they are Baptist which isn't like those other two.

Kinda strange to explain...cause you can't without writing a book...as if that would really cover the subject at hand.

So...generally speaking if you have enjoyed a "Believer's Baptism" by complete immersion into water. (one of their biggies) then you can usually join any SBC church you happen to like.

the most famous southern Baptist OF THEM ALL ---------------- Dr Billy Graham on INFANT BAPTISM

“I do believe that something happens at the baptism of an infant....We cannot fully understand the mysteries of God, but I believe a miracle can happen in these children so that they are regenerated, that is, made Christian, through infant baptism. If you want to call that baptismal regeneration, that’s all right with me”  Billy Graham, Oct. 10, 1961

[ex cathedra]

Ex c:

As you will know, the gentleman you mentioned does not necessarily always speak for the Scriptures. When he does do so, it is good.

I have been in SBC churchs since I was a week old.

So I guess I know a little something about them.

Once upon a time membership in some churchs was tentative upon successfully completing new member classes....and there was an oral exam at the end of it.

You had to be able to speak what we believed and why...classes took about a year.

There is a story of one poor fellow who was from a rather poor house...his father had left his mother penniless. He went to classes and failed them his first year.

So he went back to take them again...poor poor Dwight. The church even took up a collection so he could have decent clothes to wear on Sundays...

But today Dwight L. Moody is a standard in his own right of theology classes.

But for the most part there is a book called "What Baptists believe...or maybe it is the Baptist Faith and Message commentary written by Herschal Hobbs that will give you a clue to see if you are going to be comfortable in a Baptist congregation.

Some congregations are Calvinistic in nature. (reformed...grace doctrine) Most are not though. Nor are they Arminian...they are Baptist which isn't like those other two.

Kinda strange to explain...cause you can't without writing a book...as if that would really cover the subject at hand.

So...generally speaking if you have enjoyed a "Believer's Baptism" by complete immersion into water. (one of their biggies) then you can usually join any SBC church you happen to like.

the most famous  Baptist OF THEM ALL ---------------- Dr Billy Graham on INFANT BAPTISM

“I do believe that something happens at the baptism of an infant....We cannot fully understand the mysteries of God, but I believe a miracle can happen in these children so that they are regenerated, that is, made Christian, through infant baptism. If you want to call that baptismal regeneration, that’s all right with me”  Billy Graham, Oct. 10, 1961

if you want to make your own most famous southern baptist preacher of them all out to be a heritic ,some one who cant be trusted to tell the truth , that your bussiness i guess
I dont know about every thing billy graham says.

 I only know
billy graham DID NOT LIE THIS TIME AND agreed with scripture on oct 10,1961

TITUS CHAPTER 3

4But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared, 5he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, 6whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7so that, having been justified by his grace, we might become heirs having the hope of eternal life


wow  truly amazing that  billy Graham the  formost  baptist preacher of all time, was able to grasp Gods very SIMPLE  GOSPEL  message IN THE BOOK OF TITUS
ABOUT BAPTISMAL REGENERATION WHO WOULD OF THUNK A BAPTIST could read and think AND EVEN COMPEHEND CORRECTLY SUCH A SIMPLE MESSAGE AS IN  TITUS 3:4-7 .
i guess only Lutherans could give A BAPTIST PREACHER  so much credit TO EVEN HAVE A COMPREHENDING BRAIN..

[JohnDB]

most baptist churchs do not baptize babies...baby dedications yes, baptize no.

But the thing is is that no one speaks for the other churchs...there is no central voice or authority whatsoever except God.

IT is the baptist way...Leadership exists solely in each Church.

The SBC is mostly an organization to help build churchs everywhere in the world.

North AMerican missions and International Missions and complete with literature to teach people what the Bible says.

Some are exclusively scripture interprets scripture...some look to history, anthropology, geography, and geology to assist...but creeds, catechisms and that sort of thing are always left out for Baptists.

The only thing that we all have in common is the fact that we are evangelical.

[caldwelljr11]

how can a calvanist and arminians  Be OF  one mind in Christ?             1 Corinthians 1:10

Calvinism and Arminianism are not biblical doctrine.  They are theological systems used to understand biblical doctrine.  

Most Baptist churches I’ve attended include members who hold various theological beliefs, but are united and of one mind in Scripture and Christ.  We have to remember that theology is not limited to Scripture alone but incorporates reason and human understanding.  The Calvinist and Arminianism can both support their views scripturally.  One view is definitely incorrect, but both could be.

I may be willing to die for Christ and the gospel, but I’d probably only accept a splinter (small splinter) in defense of my theological opinions.  

[Stucky]

Dear ex cathedra
You used this scripture to justify infant baptism as necessary for salvation:

TITUS CHAPTER 3

4But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared, 5he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, 6whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7so that, having been justified by his grace, we might become heirs having the hope of eternal life

Let's put those verses in their full context:

Titus 3 (New International Version)

Doing What is Good

3At one time we too were foolish, disobedient, deceived and enslaved by all kinds of passions and pleasures. We lived in malice and envy, being hated and hating one another. 4But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared, 5he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, 6whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7so that, having been justified by his grace, we might become heirs having the hope of eternal life. 8This is a trustworthy saying. And I want you to stress these things, so that those who have trusted in God may be careful to devote themselves to doing what is good. These things are excellent and profitable for everyone.

Now, Mr. cathedra, please explain to this old country boy how any of that scripture specifically speaks of  any kind of baptism, much less infant baptism?

[Bonnie]

Not all Baptist churches belong to the Southern Baptist Conference. There's only one in our town that does.

[caldwelljr11]

Most of the Baptist churches where I live are Southern Baptist.
 
Of course, the SBC doesn’t dictate any beliefs or form authority of the churches, it is an organization for churches who hold to the views of the SBC.  Each church is independent.  The primary reason I attend southern Baptist churches is that I do subscribe to their beliefs and I know if I go to a southern Baptist church I will agree with most of their theological views (with a few exceptions). 

[ex cathedra]

Dear ex cathedra
You used this scripture to justify infant baptism as necessary for salvation:

TITUS CHAPTER 3

4But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared, 5he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, 6whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7so that, having been justified by his grace, we might become heirs having the hope of eternal life

Let's put those verses in their full context:

Titus 3 (New International Version)

Doing What is Good

3At one time we too were foolish, disobedient, deceived and enslaved by all kinds of passions and pleasures. We lived in malice and envy, being hated and hating one another. 4But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared, 5he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, 6whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7so that, having been justified by his grace, we might become heirs having the hope of eternal life. 8This is a trustworthy saying. And I want you to stress these things, so that those who have trusted in God may be careful to devote themselves to doing what is good. These things are excellent and profitable for everyone.

Now, Mr. cathedra, please explain to this old country boy how any of that scripture specifically speaks of  any kind of baptism, much less infant baptism?

Be most happy to Stucky
 There is no other washing except water baptism that Jesus HIM SELF instructs his christian church to use .  Thats  how we know.
 Now let me ask you some thing stucky

How can a baptist pastor perform believers baptism when he can't see into the heart and know if the one being baptized is a true believer or not?


 

GOD's word

Jeremiah 9:5

THE LORD SAYS .

 5 Friend deceives friend,
       and no one speaks the truth.
       They have taught their tongues to lie;
       they weary themselves with sinning.



 
Numbers 23:19
God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?





notice also the Bible text  below that it  does not say believe and "then be" baptised . It says believe and be.---  a simutaneous action.  .
Does God  speak and not act? Does he promise and not  fullfill?
Acts 2:38-39

 38Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call."



Acts 13:48
When the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and honored the word of the Lord; and all who were appointed for eternal life believed.

 Does God speak in the text above  and not act? does God  promise and not fullfill?

Gods blessings stucky.

[debra]

Once upon a time membership in some churchs was tentative upon successfully completing new member classes....and there was an oral exam at the end of it.

You had to be able to speak what we believed and why...classes took about a year.

They still do that here. I am still searching for a church, to be baptized, learn about God, and have researched every church in my small town. I felt I was being led to this southern baptist church, and I met with the minister twice before I attended a service. I went forward to accept Jesus and be baptized.

A few days later I received a letter informing me that I am required to do these classes, which last 3-4 hours per class, before I can join their church and be baptized. I phoned the minister and he confirmed this requirement.

For most it is not likely a problem, but for me, I have physical problems which prevents me from any 3-4 hour class.

I didn't go back nor have I heard back from them.

I am praying for God to lead me where He wants me to go.