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« on: Tue Jan 15, 2013 - 17:51:53 »
I am concerned for the salvation of my baptist wife for denying the importance of the trinity as a christain and reading the bible, along with church history  I see it as needed for salvation.

This post is in regard to the trinity I am not a baptist but thought the trinity was very important within baptist beliefs


Also I would like to regard that I believe this rejection of the trinity as essential has entered many non denominational brands of baptist churches

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Re: Trinity
« Reply #1 on: Wed Jan 30, 2013 - 10:24:08 »
Could you tell us what KIND of baptist she is?

There are many and they all have their distinctives.  It could be your wife's group is a oneness offshoot of mainstream baptists.

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Re: Trinity
« Reply #2 on: Wed Jan 30, 2013 - 19:17:34 »
I am concerned for the salvation of my baptist wife for denying the importance of the trinity as a Christan and reading the bible, along with church history  I see it as needed for salvation.

This post is in regard to the trinity I am not a baptist but thought the trinity was very important within baptist beliefs


Also I would like to regard that I believe this rejection of the trinity as essential has entered many non denominational brands of baptist churches

I am not sure what All Baptist churches teach. I went to a Baptist church when I was a child.    At that time, I do not remember any teachings on being born again but then I was a young child attending Sunday school mostly. Sometimes, I would stay for church, if my parents came to church.

I do know that the Trinity is very important to believe in , Father, Son and Holy Spirit are One.  There are many churches that do not teach Jesus Christ as God come in the Flesh.  This is a very important teaching.   Some people have a hard time believing in it.  I have a friend who doesn't believe like that , but He is not "saved".  If a Man gives his life to Christ. Then, the Holy Spirit will lead him into all walks of Truth.  But it is important to attend a Church that teaches the Trinity.


Jesus  answered; " Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seem me, has seen the Father. "How can you say, "Show us the Father"? Don't you believe that I am the Father, and that the Father is in me?" (   John 14:9,10)  niv
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Re: Trinity
« Reply #3 on: Fri Feb 01, 2013 - 09:34:12 »
She said its ok if I believe in the trinity but she doesn't see it as essential
She grew up southern baptist and attended a christain missionary alliance until 2 years ago.

I became a Christian in 2008 and found so many major errors that we where being taught at the Christian missionary alliance based on church history (early creeds, church father writings before 325ad)

The major one was the lack of the importance of the trinity.

So now we go to a different church that is more historically based

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« Reply #4 on: Fri Feb 01, 2013 - 11:13:23 »
Interesting.

I have had contact with the Christian Missionary Alliance and have always known them to be rather straight forward Trinitarians.  The very first line from their statement of faith on the denom. web site is this:

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Re: Trinity
« Reply #5 on: Fri Feb 01, 2013 - 15:09:46 »
I called the main office (2 years ago). And they said they had no justisdiction over individual pastors

He invented "4 element theology"
And said god was in water, oil, fire, and wood
It was very new age


I found a web site called new age deception that help us leave
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« Reply #6 on: Fri Feb 01, 2013 - 16:03:55 »
I called the main office (2 years ago). And they said they had no jurisdiction over individual pastors

Ah yes - the mostly American error of "autonomous" congregations.  No accountability whatsoever.   It is a lie from the pit of hell.


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Re: Trinity
« Reply #7 on: Fri Feb 01, 2013 - 16:10:30 »
I am concerned for the salvation of my baptist wife for denying the importance of the trinity as a christain and reading the bible, along with church history  I see it as needed for salvation.

This post is in regard to the trinity I am not a baptist but thought the trinity was very important within baptist beliefs


Also I would like to regard that I believe this rejection of the trinity as essential has entered many non denominational brands of baptist churches

The Trinity issue usually hinges upon whether a person believes Jesus is God.  Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that Jesus is really the archangel Michael, a created being and not the Creator. However, Jesus claimed to be God in John 10:30 and John 14:9. John began his Gospel account by declaring the deity of Jesus (John 1:1).  Paul confirmed this in Colossians 1:15-16 (where he said Jesus is the Creator) as did the writer of Hebrews (Hebr. 1:3)  In fact he later quoted Psalm 45:6-7 where God Himself addressed His Son as God (Hebr. 1:8).  The witness of Scripture is clear.  There is one God who manifests Himself in 3 ways as Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
 
A theological case can be made that unless Jesus is God incarnate, He couldn’t have qualified to be our redeemer and His death would not have been sufficient to purchase our pardon. But the Bible doesn’t come right out and say you have to believe Jesus is God to be saved.  It only says you have to believe He died for your sins.

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Re: Trinity
« Reply #8 on: Fri Feb 01, 2013 - 23:20:04 »
Before anyone on this web joined they had to agree with the Niecene creed which sums up basic Christian beliefs nicely

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Re: Trinity
« Reply #9 on: Fri Jan 31, 2014 - 14:32:36 »
Actually Jesus said that "except you believe that I Am(so the Greek), you will die in your sins". John 8:24 ::smile::

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Re: Trinity
« Reply #10 on: Mon Feb 03, 2014 - 07:25:47 »
The Trinity issue usually hinges upon whether a person believes Jesus is God. 

Not necessarily.

Modalists believe that Jesus is God but are not trinitarians.  They believe in One God - Jesus.  God the Father is Jesus and God the Holy Spirit is Jesus.

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Re: Trinity
« Reply #11 on: Thu Mar 31, 2016 - 19:09:11 »
I don't think we have to understand every aspect about God...or even most...to be saved.

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Re: Trinity
« Reply #12 on: Fri Apr 01, 2016 - 04:56:39 »
I don't think we have to understand every aspect about God...or even most...to be saved.
This thread has a serious layer of dust on it! The truth is, that we do not need to know one thing in order to be born of God. For all men are dead in trespasses and sins! Now, if we profess to be born of God, and deny the deity of Jesus Christ, being the I AM THAT I AM, then we reject the very cord of the gospel message, that the Son of God, (that statement making him equal with God in his Divinity) is the only propitiation for the sins of his people. Truth comes to God's children over long period of time, and even then, they are not fully converted to a knowledge that is absolutely perfect according to the teachings of the holy scriptures.  The apostles during the days of Christ were pitiful in their understanding, and even Peter at the end of his life, still found many truth hard to grasp hold of!
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2nd Peter 3:15,16~"And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction."
I have found that very few truly understand the doctrine of the Godhead, yet many of them are children of God....the one's that are not his children, are the very ones that denies Jesus' deity as the Everlasting Father of all things
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Re: Trinity
« Reply #13 on: Fri Apr 01, 2016 - 15:34:30 »
The Trinity issue usually hinges upon whether a person believes Jesus is God. 

Not necessarily.

Modalists believe that Jesus is God but are not trinitarians.  They believe in One God - Jesus.  God the Father is Jesus and God the Holy Spirit is Jesus.

Like Red said, this is a dusty thread, but I noticed this post while in the process of reading Red's latest post.

DaveW has not correctly described Modalism.   An analogy I often use to explain Modalism is to think of a series of children's toys called Transformers.   One of these toys might be changed into a handgun, or into a truck, or into a robot, all by manipulating the connected parts of a single unit. Modalists view God like this. They believe that God, a single entity, has become the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, as required and in individual succession, but never in combination.

What DaveW has described is the Oneness view.   
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