Jimmy said the structure in the Catholic heirarchy is not anything to do with what either Jesus or the apostles presented. I proved he was wrong. We have three levels of pastors, just as they do in Acts. We have bishops, just like Timothy was a bishop.
You proved no such thing. The passage in Acts 20 makes reference to elders . In that passage (Acts 20:17-28) Paul is speaking and references those men in terms of all of those designations. They are designations of the same men, the same office, only different functions of that office.
Act 20:17 From Miletus he sent to Ephesus and called to him the elders [presbuteros also translated as bishop] of the church.
Act 20:28 "Be on guard for yourselves and for all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers[episkopos], to shepherd [poimaino]the church of God which He purchased with His own blood.
All three, [presbuteros], [episkopos], and [poimaino] interchangeable insofar as the men and the office is concerned. There is really no other way to interpret this.
No other way to interpret this? That means it is perspisuous.
The man who concocted the doctrine sola scriptura and the first to declare that scripture is perspicuous would have decalred you heretical for this assertion.
Kinda funny, aint it?
Why would I give a hoot what he would have declared? You guys pay more attention to what one of your popes or priests of some ancient writers think and say than you do to what the Bible says. And therein lies the source of so much of what you seem to have gotten wrong.
How do you know for certain what the Bible means? Luther declared that scripture perspicuously teaches sola fide
, and Luther's main antagonist until he ws declared heretical, Johann Eck, asserted that both scripture and tradition showed that sola fide
was at best a novel formula that must be retracted because of the consequences inherent in it and at worst an arch-heresy (the difference being Luther's intent and stubborness to promote his pet concoction).
Who was correct in that dispute, and how do you know?
How do you know what comprises the canon of scripture?
The problem is that you, without allowing yourself to see what it means, make yourself infallible in your readings of the Bible, which canon you inherited from the English Reformation which took Luther's canon.
Multiply your fierce pride in your Bible reading and interpeting skills and your largely anti-historical solipsism by many individuals equally certain they know what the Bible means, and you will understand how and why sola scriptura
led inevitably to proliferating Protestant denominations - to chaos of choice and the very antithesis of unity.
The word 'heresy' comes from what?