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Where have all the Baptist gone???
« on: Tue Dec 04, 2012 - 10:39:24 »
Hello,
I don't see any recent posts from Baptists.  Where are you?

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Re: Where have all the Baptist gone???
« Reply #1 on: Tue Dec 04, 2012 - 10:47:16 »
Where have all the Baptist gone???
Long time passing.
Where have all the Baptist gone???
Long time ago ....

Sorry. I couldn't resist.  ::smile:: ::playingguitar::

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Re: Where have all the Baptist gone???
« Reply #2 on: Tue Dec 04, 2012 - 12:54:21 »
There aren't many Baptists on this board.

You will have to excuse Dave there...he is definitely not a baptist in any sense of the denomination.

But rest assured that I have been SBC since I was born practically. I remember my youth being filled with such things as Sunday School, Training Union and RA's.

Most of the Pseudo Baptists here have been caught up in things like Calvinism and have been busy promoting that sort of theology to come into this forum and discuss SBC matters.
But for whatever reason all those Calvinists have been busy with theology and made it supreme over coming into this forum and discussing SBC matters that are relevant to today's SBC.

As if convincing the whole world that Calvin was right (to those that are already believers in Jesus) is more important than trying to figure out how the best methods of training those that believe in Jesus to reach a lost and dying world.

I don't know why some of the old literature has been done away with for this new "Lifeway" stuff that I ain't exactly fond of. It tends to be light on scripture and heavy into morality lessons. Most people don't even know scripture any longer that haven't been raised in Church their whole life. (and older ones at that)

I know there are now AWANA programs to help rectify that. But I am not so sure they are effective.

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Re: Where have all the Baptist gone???
« Reply #3 on: Tue Dec 04, 2012 - 13:15:10 »
Hello,
I don't see any recent posts from Baptists.  Where are you?

grandma

Hi Grandma. Maybe God has handed you the ball and is telling you to run with the word He has given you.

You will find a sound defense in opposition to you, "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." Eph 6:12.

But we have been given power from on high and Romans 8:37 tells us, "Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us."
Let's see what you've got left dear sister in Jesus' name.  ::clappingoverhead::

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Re: Where have all the Baptist gone???
« Reply #4 on: Wed Dec 05, 2012 - 18:53:59 »
I was raised SBC and preached my first sermon in a Baptist church at 13.  Then at 20 I became a member of the one true church.  Relax John you know my background its a joke.  Now I attend a house church and am just a member of the spiritual kingdom of God.  Love my Baptist brothers and sisters as I do all Gods children regardless of their tribe.

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Re: Where have all the Baptist gone???
« Reply #5 on: Fri Dec 07, 2012 - 07:57:28 »
Dave,
That song was going through my mind when I wrote the subject!  ::playingguitar::
to all: I am a Free Will Baptist and I know there are several different branches of Baptist, but as children of God we should all be believing the same thing.  Jesus Christ should be out total focus. I love talking about the Word and our Lord, but I won't get into arguments that are nitpicking at each other. I do like to discuss the difference in our beliefs. I will respect yours and I expect you to respect mine.    Love to everyone.

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Re: Where have all the Baptist gone???
« Reply #6 on: Fri Dec 14, 2012 - 18:41:02 »
There are few Baptist for sure. John the Baptist was Baptist; Jesus was Baptist. But we were fist called Christians at Antioch where Peter was Bishop.

Too many Baptist have gone into error and put Ecumenical flags (the 1897 so-called Christian flag) on the left and USA flag on the right and have crosses and such displayed like the Catholics.  However the same flag in Cathoic churches also have the Janus go on them.

Also Ecumenical teaching is predominant in the services.  More and more are rejecting this.

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Re: Where have all the Baptist gone???
« Reply #7 on: Sun Dec 16, 2012 - 08:39:01 »
Many Baptist get chopped off via the Catholic Priest in disguise on here.  They interrupt and argue and debate and escalate to a point.  Then issues are raised and Catholicism in finally brought in to play and when one says something about their false doctrine, they get reported by the cronies and whamo the Baptist is gone.

Most all Catholic Priest are very knowledgeable. They are skilled and versed in their attacks and have an agenda.  Many fall prey to their tactics.  On the so-call Christian flag (created in 1897 - same year the Rothschild hexagram flag was use in Palestine) which was created at an odd time and is a symbol for Ecumenicism.  The Catholics use the same flag but with their Janus god in the white area.  Deception is a way of life for them.

All Baptist owe it to themselves to read the Jesuit oath.  They have vowed to destroy you.

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Re: Where have all the Baptist gone???
« Reply #8 on: Mon Jan 14, 2013 - 20:50:54 »
I'm a Baptist. :)


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Re: Where have all the Baptist gone???
« Reply #9 on: Tue Jan 15, 2013 - 08:00:47 »
Only satan and a few of his misguided people hate Christ's One Holy Universal [ Catholic ] Apostolic Church.

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Re: Where have all the Baptist gone???
« Reply #10 on: Wed Jan 30, 2013 - 01:02:46 »
I'm Baptist..:)

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Re: Where have all the Baptist gone???
« Reply #11 on: Wed Jan 30, 2013 - 05:52:04 »
I'm Baptist..:)

I am a Baptist in the same sense that John was a Baptist~I believe in FULL IMMERSION in water, for those who want to be obedience to the faith, by bringing forth works meet for repentance~other than that, I prefer to be called a believer/Christian.  I reject that the Baptist Churches can trace their name back to the apostles.  There is NO outward church today that has a name, that can trace their church back to the apostles.  The ONLY ONES that can, is those believers, who DOCTRINE and practice can be supported by the scriptures in the NT; they, and they alone are accepted before God, as following the Acts of the apostles, in doctrine and true worship. Most likely, you will not find them in a outward temple built by men! Even though, some very few made be there, most are not! 


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Re: Where have all the Baptist gone???
« Reply #12 on: Wed Jan 30, 2013 - 08:24:31 »
Greetings!  I am a new member here on Grace Centered.  I chose to read first the Baptist forum, since I am a Baptist.  I adhere to the Baptist distinctives of believer's immersion baptism, full separation of church and State, soul liberty, priesthood of the believer, and a Holy Spirit gathered congregational membership based on the New Covenant teachings.  I notice here that JohnDB speaks of the SBC, is this an SBC forum?  If so I will not fit here because I embrace the 1644 First London Confession of Baptists as best expressing my understanding of Scripture.  I'm 70 and I have before me my grandfather's 1890 Edition of The Standard Manual for Baptist Churches by Edward T. Hiscox, D.D. and on page 57 it reads:  "That known  as the New Hampshire Confession is commonly used by the churches North, East and West; while that known as the Philadelphia Confession is very generally in use in the South and Southwest...American Baptists are decidedly Calvinistic as to substance of doctrine, but moderately so, being midway between the extremes of Arminianism and Antinomianism. Though diversities of opinion may incline to either extreme, the 'general atonement' view is for the most part held, while the 'particular atonement' theory is maintained by not a few."  I of course would be a 'Particular Baptist', understanding the atonement as definite for God's elect alone.  So, if this is an SBC forum, I should go to a more general Christian forum for I am not of the Southern Baptists.  May God's peace be on you all.

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Re: Where have all the Baptist gone???
« Reply #13 on: Wed Jan 30, 2013 - 10:37:44 »
Greetings!  I am a new member here on Grace Centered.  I chose to read first the Baptist forum, since I am a Baptist.  I adhere to the Baptist distinctives of believer's immersion baptism, full separation of church and State, soul liberty, priesthood of the believer, and a Holy Spirit gathered congregational membership based on the New Covenant teachings.  I notice here that JohnDB speaks of the SBC, is this an SBC forum?  If so I will not fit here because I embrace the 1644 First London Confession of Baptists as best expressing my understanding of Scripture.  I'm 70 and I have before me my grandfather's 1890 Edition of The Standard Manual for Baptist Churches by Edward T. Hiscox, D.D. and on page 57 it reads:  "That known  as the New Hampshire Confession is commonly usedo by the churches North, East and West; while that known as the Philadelphia Confession is very generally in use in the South and Southwest...American Baptists are decidedly Calvinistic as to substance of doctrine, but moderately so, being midway between the extremes of Arminianism and Antinomianism. Though diversities of opinion may incline to either extreme, the 'general atonement' view is for the most part held, while the 'particular atonement' theory is maintained by not a few."  I of course would be a 'Particular Baptist', understanding the atonement as definite for God's elect alone.  So, if this is an SBC forum, I should go to a more general Christian forum for I am not of the Southern Baptists.  May God's peace be on you all.

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« Reply #14 on: Thu Jan 31, 2013 - 07:57:19 »
Greetings!  I am a new member here on Grace Centered.  I chose to read first the Baptist forum, since I am a Baptist.  I adhere to the Baptist distinctives of believer's immersion baptism, full separation of church and State, soul liberty, priesthood of the believer, and a Holy Spirit gathered congregational membership based on the New Covenant teachings.  I notice here that JohnDB speaks of the SBC, is this an SBC forum?  If so I will not fit here because I embrace the 1644 First London Confession of Baptists as best expressing my understanding of Scripture.  I'm 70 and I have before me my grandfather's 1890 Edition of The Standard Manual for Baptist Churches by Edward T. Hiscox, D.D. and on page 57 it reads:  "That known  as the New Hampshire Confession is commonly used by the churches North, East and West; while that known as the Philadelphia Confession is very generally in use in the South and Southwest...American Baptists are decidedly Calvinistic as to substance of doctrine, but moderately so, being midway between the extremes of Arminianism and Antinomianism. Though diversities of opinion may incline to either extreme, the 'general atonement' view is for the most part held, while the 'particular atonement' theory is maintained by not a few."  I of course would be a 'Particular Baptist', understanding the atonement as definite for God's elect alone.  So, if this is an SBC forum, I should go to a more general Christian forum for I am not of the Southern Baptists.  May God's peace be on you all.


No...it is not an SBC forum. This forum is for all Baptists mostly
LOL...for that you have to go to a lifeway website of some kind...not even sure they got one.


But if the Southern Baptist Convention types give you any grief on this forum just send me a PM and I will fix it.


The Calvinists though got their own forum. They may or may not be Baptist...but they do seem to want to take the SBC over.


The "Seventh Day Baptists" though are a unique case. We tend to send them to the SDA forum.
We haven't had any of them yet....but I ain't exactly looking for them either.

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« Reply #15 on: Thu Jan 31, 2013 - 08:06:04 »
Greetings!  I am a new member here on Grace Centered.  I chose to read first the Baptist forum, since I am a Baptist.  I adhere to the Baptist distinctives of believer's immersion baptism, full separation of church and State, soul liberty, priesthood of the believer, and a Holy Spirit gathered congregational membership based on the New Covenant teachings.  I notice here that JohnDB speaks of the SBC, is this an SBC forum?  If so I will not fit here because I embrace the 1644 First London Confession of Baptists as best expressing my understanding of Scripture.  I'm 70 and I have before me my grandfather's 1890 Edition of The Standard Manual for Baptist Churches by Edward T. Hiscox, D.D. and on page 57 it reads:  "That known  as the New Hampshire Confession is commonly used by the churches North, East and West; while that known as the Philadelphia Confession is very generally in use in the South and Southwest...American Baptists are decidedly Calvinistic as to substance of doctrine, but moderately so, being midway between the extremes of Arminianism and Antinomianism. Though diversities of opinion may incline to either extreme, the 'general atonement' view is for the most part held, while the 'particular atonement' theory is maintained by not a few."  I of course would be a 'Particular Baptist', understanding the atonement as definite for God's elect alone.  So, if this is an SBC forum, I should go to a more general Christian forum for I am not of the Southern Baptists.  May God's peace be on you all.

Welcome Glenn~you and I should agree on much, being from the same generation.
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« Reply #16 on: Thu Feb 07, 2013 - 08:40:21 »
In a day when there seem to be hundreds of groups calling themselves Baptist, it is imperative that we have some semblance of a definition of what is a Baptist. It surely cannot be based solely on immersion as true baptism.  Our brethren in the Eastern Orthodox Church have always immersed down through the centuries and they'd smack you for calling them a 'Baptist'.  Smile.   In this day the non-Christian cults of Mormons and the Jehovah's Witnesses immerse but they are not Baptist, not even Christians as seen in light of the ecumenical creeds such as the Nicene Creed.  I refuse to accept as Christian, anyone who denies the orthodox doctrine of the Trinity; One God existing as three eternal persons: Father, Son & Holy Spirit.  Sometimes it may be necessary to define what kind of Baptist we are.  I've wasted a lot of time visiting 'Baptist' churches not knowing what type of Baptist they are.  The Christian sister, Grandma, who started this thread said she is a Freewill Baptist, so I understand her views.  I am a Particular Baptist holding to the 1644/1646 First London Confession of Baptists and am postmillienniel in eschatology.  I read there is a SBC member here.  I appreciate clarity and when I see a church sign that reads:  "Fundamental, Independent, Dispensational" under the name Baptist, I know what to expect there.  Admittedly, with my beliefs it is difficult to find a suitable Baptist church home and it has been so far impossible in my location in Florida.  Of course, as individual believers, we follow Romans 14 and accept, tolerate, be patient with and love each other in spite of our variations.  Hmmm, I cant even find unanimous views on eschatology within my immediate family, having a Dispensationalist, an Amil and me a Postmil.  The old Baptist confessions gave great latitude on prophetic beliefs and understandings except Dispensationalism is quite a stretch to fit.   rofl

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« Reply #17 on: Thu Feb 07, 2013 - 18:15:36 »
This is great! I am glad to see not all Baptist sit in the back pew! ::giggle::  I look forward to talking to you.  I am 67 years old and I still attend the small country church my parents took us to many years ago.  I have attended church in CA, KC, and OKC and there was nothing so sweet as coming home and feeling God's presence when I walked in the door. ::smile::

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Re: Where have all the Baptist gone???
« Reply #18 on: Thu Feb 07, 2013 - 19:23:37 »
Where have all the Baptist gone???
Long time passing.
Where have all the Baptist gone???
Long time ago ....

Sorry. I couldn't resist.  ::smile:: ::playingguitar::

 rofl  You old hippie you.

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Re: Where have all the Baptist gone???
« Reply #19 on: Sat Feb 09, 2013 - 18:47:45 »
I went to a Baptist church, when I was a child mostly to Sunday school, but sometimes I would stay for morning service, when my parents came to church. Otherwise my father would pick me and my brother up. Later when I was 14, my mother got "Saved" by the grace of God, when she went to a Pentecostal church and I went there with her and God "Saved" me too!. It was years later my father got "Saved" and then He and my mother went to the Nazarene church. I was grown and left home by then.
I have relatives in different demoninations.  The main thing is that you are "Saved" because going to church does not save anyone, Jesus does.

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« Reply #20 on: Sat Feb 09, 2013 - 18:50:41 »
I went a Baptist church when I was a child up until age 14 and my mother got "Saved" by the grace of God when she went to a Pentecostal church and I went there with her and God "Saved" me as well. It was years later my father got "Saved" and then He and my mother went to the Nazarene church.
I have relatives in different demoninations.  The main thing is that you are "Saved" because going to church does not save You, Jesus does.

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Re: Where have all the Baptist gone???
« Reply #21 on: Sun Feb 10, 2013 - 03:45:24 »
“Therefore let us leave the elementary doctrine of Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, and of instruction about washings, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment.” (Heb 6:1-2 ESV)

The Baptist Greek scholar A.T. Robertson observed on the biblical process of "being saved" (1 Cor. 1:18), the following:   "This present passive participle is again timeless.  Salvation is described by Paul as a thing done in the past, "we were saved" (#Ro 8:24), as a present state, "ye have been saved" (#Ep 2:5), as a process, "ye are being saved" (#1Co 15:2), as a future result, "thou shalt be saved" (#Ro 10:9)."

As a Baptist I take God's judgment on ancient Jews quite seriously:

“My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge; because you have rejected knowledge, I reject you from being a priest to me. And since you have forgotten the law of your God, I also will forget your children.” (Ho 4:6 ESV)

In the past, Baptists were known for being dedicated students of Scripture and knew why they were Baptists and I hope we can carry on the search for knowledge of God to our preservation and in this way help prove to be true Baptists.  I can say that since I am a Baptist in a Baptist forum, for Baptists. ::smile::

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Re: Where have all the Baptist gone???
« Reply #22 on: Sun Feb 10, 2013 - 07:09:13 »
Being a Catholic I follow Jesus along with the" Fullness of the Faith" only found in His One True Church of [Matt.16:15-19 ] along with the One True Interpretation of the Bible, and the Holy Bible says the following, I am already saved (Rom. 8:24, Eph. 2:5-8), but I’m also being saved (1 Cor. 1:8, 2 Cor. 2:15, Phil. 2:12), and I have the hope that I will be saved (Rom. 5:9-10, 1 Cor. 3:12-15). Like the apostle Paul, I am working out my salvation in fear and trembling (Phil. 2:12), with hopeful confidence in the promises of Christ (Rom. 5:2, 2 Tim. 2:11-13).


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« Reply #23 on: Mon Feb 11, 2013 - 07:56:30 »
Glenn,
I can't speak for the others, but I believe in the Trinity; complete immersion;Jesus Christ is the Son of God and the living God; the Bible is his word and holds no contradictions. Where I may differ from others is I believe we have free will to accept Christ and live for him or reject Christ and doom ourselves to hell.

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« Reply #24 on: Mon Feb 11, 2013 - 09:13:37 »
To Sister Dolittle, and others of differing Baptist persuasions.  In my understanding of Baptist history, from the beginning there have been General Baptists and Particular Baptists and I suppose there are hardly any Particular Baptists in this day who hold to the 1644/1646 Baptist Confession.  I understand the Freewill Baptists are the spiritual descendants of the General Baptists.  Sister Dolittle, is there any Freewill Baptist confession or do Freewill Baptists tend to shun such documents as man-made?  My problem with the name "Baptist" is how any zealot with a Bible under his arm seems to find it his right to claim the name "Baptist" to the point even where I saw someone refer to a "Oneness Baptist".  I find that absurd as well as the label "Full Gospel Baptist".  Be honest, they are Pentecostals, not Baptists.  Adding some labels to the historic name "Baptist" can become an oxymoron.  I was raised in a GARBC affiliated church, 1950s and my local church adopted the New Hampshire Confession of Faith with a total rewrite of the section on eschatology to fit dispensationalism.  The odd situation I find myself in today, I may have to return to a GARBC congregation, or consider a conservative Presbyterian assembly because there are no Baptists close to my beliefs within reasonable driving distance.  So, thanks Sister Dolittle for speaking forth your Baptist beliefs so we all understand you in this Baptist Forum. 

May God's mercy and grace by the Holy Spirit be with us.

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« Reply #25 on: Mon Feb 11, 2013 - 09:55:54 »
Sister Dolittle, I have another observation to add.  I find that most Baptists today believe in "freewill" even though they do not claim to be Freewill Baptists.  What I find odd is this, they believe they became Christian by their freewill to believe and exercise faith... but then they reject this same freewill to reject the faith and lose their salvation so they cling doggedly to "once saved always saved" based on some event in their past no matter how they live today.  It seems they see no contradiction that if salvation is by freewill, equally that freewill can lose their salvation.  It is my understanding that Freewill Baptists do teach one can lose their salvation through willful rejection of their faith and Christ.  Please correct me if I am wrong on that. 

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« Reply #26 on: Mon Feb 11, 2013 - 10:07:14 »
Sister Dolittle, I have another observation to add.  I find that most Baptists today believe in "freewill" even though they do not claim to be Freewill Baptists.  What I find odd is this, they believe they became Christian by their freewill to believe and exercise faith... but then they reject this same freewill to reject the faith and lose their salvation so they cling doggedly to "once saved always saved" based on some event in their past no matter how they live today.  It seems they see no contradiction that if salvation is by freewill, equally that freewill can lose their salvation.  It is my understanding that Freewill Baptists do teach one can lose their salvation through willful rejection of their faith and Christ.  Please correct me if I am wrong on that.

Glenn, I have to disagree with you here.  IMHO free will is your allowance, by God, to either choose to believe in Jesus as your Saviour or not.  Freewill has nothing to do with OSAS.  When a person believes, the Holy Spirit seals that believer so that "What the Father has put into my hands I cannot lose."  I cant answer for Freewill Baptists (a denomination) but I can answer for myself and what I learned when I was a Southern Baptist.

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Re: Where have all the Baptist gone???
« Reply #27 on: Mon Feb 11, 2013 - 10:30:51 »
To Sister Dolittle, and others of differing Baptist persuasions.  In my understanding of Baptist history, from the beginning there have been General Baptists and Particular Baptists and I suppose there are hardly any Particular Baptists in this day who hold to the 1644/1646 Baptist Confession.  I understand the Freewill Baptists are the spiritual descendants of the General Baptists.  Sister Dolittle, is there any Freewill Baptist confession or do Freewill Baptists tend to shun such documents as man-made?  My problem with the name "Baptist" is how any zealot with a Bible under his arm seems to find it his right to claim the name "Baptist" to the point even where I saw someone refer to a "Oneness Baptist".  I find that absurd as well as the label "Full Gospel Baptist".  Be honest, they are Pentecostals, not Baptists.  Adding some labels to the historic name "Baptist" can become an oxymoron.  I was raised in a GARBC affiliated church, 1950s and my local church adopted the New Hampshire Confession of Faith with a total rewrite of the section on eschatology to fit dispensationalism.  The odd situation I find myself in today, I may have to return to a GARBC congregation, or consider a conservative Presbyterian assembly because there are no Baptists close to my beliefs within reasonable driving distance.  So, thanks Sister Dolittle for speaking forth your Baptist beliefs so we all understand you in this Baptist Forum. 

May God's mercy and grace by the Holy Spirit be with us.



Greetings Glenn,

There are many Particular Baptist  (Don Fortner, KY.  use Google) left, more in England than in America.  There are many Reformed (?) Baptist, that would adhere to the same confession of  faith of the first London confession of faith in and around 1647.  Here in the south, there many Primitive Baptist churches, that are very strong on the doctrines of Grace.  Who are more in line with John Gill, Samuel Richardson, (who signed the first confession, if I am not mistaken)  John Brine, etc. 

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Re: Where have all the Baptist gone???
« Reply #28 on: Mon Feb 11, 2013 - 12:02:51 »
Hi Bro. Stucky... I wondered where your quote came from:  "What the Father has put into my hands I cannot lose."  Also, you seemed to distance yourself from Freewill Baptists and referred to the Southern Baptists as being past tense for you, so do you claim any Baptist identity or association?  Maybe you are more an individualist or freelancer in the faith?  I'd like to understand your position better so as to know you better.

Hello Bro Red Baker...  I have been seeking web pages such as Fortner's in order to find a list of churches.  I know many sites will list similar churches and because not all churches have an Internet presence, it is hard to find them.  I find this very difficult in this day because so many churches that I agree with largely on doctrines, I find to be so connected to the 'right wing' activists in politics I am put off by them.  In other words, I'm a Tea Party sympathizer minus the social issue activism.  I am a firm believer that the Holy Spirit has indwelt and taught the saints through the centuries, and when it comes to current social issue hot button type things, I find the 'right wingers' not in full agreement with God's men of old.  Maybe I will make a post of those matters one day.   ::smile::

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Re: Where have all the Baptist gone???
« Reply #29 on: Mon Feb 11, 2013 - 12:30:06 »
Hi Bro. Stucky... I wondered where your quote came from:  "What the Father has put into my hands I cannot lose."  Also, you seemed to distance yourself from Freewill Baptists and referred to the Southern Baptists as being past tense for you, so do you claim any Baptist identity or association?  Maybe you are more an individualist or freelancer in the faith?  I'd like to understand your position better so as to know you better.

God bless his people in all ways He sees fit!

John 10:29  "What my Father has given me is greater than all else, and no one can snatch it out of the Father’s hand."  Read 22-30 for the context.

I know nothing of the Freewill Baptists and left the SBC because, in my opinion, they were befinning to place more emphasis on doctrine than on the Gospel.

I am a Christian, Glenn, nothing more, nothing less.

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Re: Where have all the Baptist gone???
« Reply #30 on: Mon Feb 11, 2013 - 15:36:16 »
Stucky, I'm not sure how you understand the gospel if you do not like doctrine or teaching.  But, aside from that, your reply to me is why I find Bible discussion such a benefit.  Your quote of John 10:29 really jumped off the page at me and I needed to check to see the version you used.  You used the NRSV which I will repeat here:

“What my Father has given me is greater than all else, and no one can snatch it out of the Father’s hand.” (Joh 10:29 NRSV)

The NRSV makes what is given to be that which is greater, not God the Father.  I scanned my available translations and found only one that agrees with that:

“That which my Father hath given me is greater than all: and no one can snatch them out of the hand of my Father.” (Joh 10:29 Douay)

I found the comments by the old Baptist, Dr. John Gill on this to be of importance here:

"... the Vulgate Latin version, and so some of the ancients read, "what my Father gave to me, is greater than all"; meaning, that the church given to him, and built on him, is stronger than all its enemies:..."

I have checked the new Roman Catholic Bibles: New Jerusalem Bible and the New American Bible and they have reverted back to the more standard rendering.

“My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.” (Joh 10:29 ESV)

and the NAB has:  "My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all,* and no one can take them out of the Father’s hand."

I would reply though to our discussion, no one can take them out of the Father's hand, but one by freewill can jump out and reject the faith.  I find it difficult to assign freewill to a man who is in sin's bondage, yet he has lost freewill to change his mind after exercising faith and having liberty.   Smile.

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Re: Where have all the Baptist gone???
« Reply #31 on: Wed Mar 20, 2013 - 08:54:29 »
The church were I attend worship services is a member of the SBC but they really go out of their way to not mention that they are a member of the SBC.  I think this is a general trend.  As any local Yellow Pages directory will attest, there are many Southern Baptist congregations, but speaking for what I see in my local area, upstarts of new congregations do not mention that they are "Baptist."  The pastors where I attend services tend to be more Calvinist than in some other SBC congregations I am aware of.  At the other extreme, I know a pastor of a SBC congregation who is a graduate of Rhema Bible Institute.  He slipped in through the back door.  :-)

Since Al Mohler took over the Southern Baptist Seminary and became so influential in the SBC there has been a definite trend toward Calvinistic doctrine.  Many of the professors at Southern were fired because of their doctrinal stance that was not in agreement with Mohler's.  I think Al Mohler is a good man with good intentions but in this case I think his measures were extreme. 

I believe there are more flavors of Baptists than flavors of Baskin-Robbins ice cream.  There probably should be sub-forums for Baptists and have a separate SBC section, for example.  Right now I suppose that doesn't seem justified with the number of posters that come to this Baptist forum. 

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Re: Where have all the Baptist gone???
« Reply #32 on: Fri Mar 29, 2013 - 09:40:54 »
Sister Dolittle, I have another observation to add.  I find that most Baptists today believe in "freewill" even though they do not claim to be Freewill Baptists.  What I find odd is this, they believe they became Christian by their freewill to believe and exercise faith... but then they reject this same freewill to reject the faith and lose their salvation so they cling doggedly to "once saved always saved" based on some event in their past no matter how they live today.  It seems they see no contradiction that if salvation is by freewill, equally that freewill can lose their salvation.  It is my understanding that Freewill Baptists do teach one can lose their salvation through willful rejection of their faith and Christ.  Please correct me if I am wrong on that. 

Glenn,
I am sorry for not getting back to you sooner.  Yes, we believe you can lose your salvation by sinning and rejecting God.  However, we also believe our Lord is merciful, loves us and does not want any to perish, so he will forgive your sins.   We believe in a personal relationship with God and he knows a person's heart, mind, and thoughts,  so only a truly repentant heart will be forgiven.  We also believe that faith and works combined is the way to be a Christian.

Have a wonderful Easter.

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Re: Where have all the Baptist gone???
« Reply #33 on: Sat Jun 29, 2013 - 08:45:07 »
Hello! I'm a brand new member of the board...and a Baptist.

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Re: Where have all the Baptist gone???
« Reply #34 on: Sat Jun 29, 2013 - 10:04:37 »
Howdy & welcome Ymeoru.

Exactly what flavor of Baptist are you?

There are more flavors of Baptist than Baskin Robbins has.