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Offline Glenn63

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Re: Where have all the Baptist gone???
« Reply #30 on: February 11, 2013, 02:36:16 PM »
Stucky, I'm not sure how you understand the gospel if you do not like doctrine or teaching.  But, aside from that, your reply to me is why I find Bible discussion such a benefit.  Your quote of John 10:29 really jumped off the page at me and I needed to check to see the version you used.  You used the NRSV which I will repeat here:

“What my Father has given me is greater than all else, and no one can snatch it out of the Father’s hand.” (Joh 10:29 NRSV)

The NRSV makes what is given to be that which is greater, not God the Father.  I scanned my available translations and found only one that agrees with that:

“That which my Father hath given me is greater than all: and no one can snatch them out of the hand of my Father.” (Joh 10:29 Douay)

I found the comments by the old Baptist, Dr. John Gill on this to be of importance here:

"... the Vulgate Latin version, and so some of the ancients read, "what my Father gave to me, is greater than all"; meaning, that the church given to him, and built on him, is stronger than all its enemies:..."

I have checked the new Roman Catholic Bibles: New Jerusalem Bible and the New American Bible and they have reverted back to the more standard rendering.

“My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.” (Joh 10:29 ESV)

and the NAB has:  "My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all,* and no one can take them out of the Father’s hand."

I would reply though to our discussion, no one can take them out of the Father's hand, but one by freewill can jump out and reject the faith.  I find it difficult to assign freewill to a man who is in sin's bondage, yet he has lost freewill to change his mind after exercising faith and having liberty.   Smile.

God bless all his children!

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Re: Where have all the Baptist gone???
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Re: Where have all the Baptist gone???
« Reply #31 on: March 20, 2013, 07:54:29 AM »
The church were I attend worship services is a member of the SBC but they really go out of their way to not mention that they are a member of the SBC.  I think this is a general trend.  As any local Yellow Pages directory will attest, there are many Southern Baptist congregations, but speaking for what I see in my local area, upstarts of new congregations do not mention that they are "Baptist."  The pastors where I attend services tend to be more Calvinist than in some other SBC congregations I am aware of.  At the other extreme, I know a pastor of a SBC congregation who is a graduate of Rhema Bible Institute.  He slipped in through the back door.  :-)

Since Al Mohler took over the Southern Baptist Seminary and became so influential in the SBC there has been a definite trend toward Calvinistic doctrine.  Many of the professors at Southern were fired because of their doctrinal stance that was not in agreement with Mohler's.  I think Al Mohler is a good man with good intentions but in this case I think his measures were extreme. 

I believe there are more flavors of Baptists than flavors of Baskin-Robbins ice cream.  There probably should be sub-forums for Baptists and have a separate SBC section, for example.  Right now I suppose that doesn't seem justified with the number of posters that come to this Baptist forum. 

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Re: Where have all the Baptist gone???
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Re: Where have all the Baptist gone???
« Reply #32 on: March 29, 2013, 08:40:54 AM »
Sister Dolittle, I have another observation to add.  I find that most Baptists today believe in "freewill" even though they do not claim to be Freewill Baptists.  What I find odd is this, they believe they became Christian by their freewill to believe and exercise faith... but then they reject this same freewill to reject the faith and lose their salvation so they cling doggedly to "once saved always saved" based on some event in their past no matter how they live today.  It seems they see no contradiction that if salvation is by freewill, equally that freewill can lose their salvation.  It is my understanding that Freewill Baptists do teach one can lose their salvation through willful rejection of their faith and Christ.  Please correct me if I am wrong on that. 

Glenn,
I am sorry for not getting back to you sooner.  Yes, we believe you can lose your salvation by sinning and rejecting God.  However, we also believe our Lord is merciful, loves us and does not want any to perish, so he will forgive your sins.   We believe in a personal relationship with God and he knows a person's heart, mind, and thoughts,  so only a truly repentant heart will be forgiven.  We also believe that faith and works combined is the way to be a Christian.

Have a wonderful Easter.

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Re: Where have all the Baptist gone???
« Reply #33 on: June 29, 2013, 07:45:07 AM »
Hello! I'm a brand new member of the board...and a Baptist.

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Re: Where have all the Baptist gone???
« Reply #34 on: June 29, 2013, 09:04:37 AM »
Howdy & welcome Ymeoru.

Exactly what flavor of Baptist are you?

There are more flavors of Baptist than Baskin Robbins has.

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Re: Where have all the Baptist gone???
« Reply #35 on: March 28, 2014, 05:57:33 PM »
Hello,
I don't see any recent posts from Baptists.  Where are you?

grandma

I call myself a Baptist, as the church I have selected and attend regularly, including the Sunday School  is Baptist.  I love being in a Bible based church, that is self governing and a community of fellow believers.  For over 45 years, I belonged to another denomination. 

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Re: Where have all the Baptist gone???
« Reply #36 on: March 19, 2016, 03:38:32 PM »
sup im baptist

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Re: Where have all the Baptist gone???
« Reply #37 on: May 27, 2016, 02:47:40 PM »
I see this is a very old thread, but I don't know where else to say hello to other Baptists.

I am a Canadian Baptist, which is definitely another flavour. With the "u".  My parents were forced by my grandmother to send me to church, and the Baptist church across the alley was the easiest way to fulfill this. So for three years  aged 6-8, I got stars for memory verses, learned the Lord's Prayer, the 23rd Psalm and hundreds of Bible stories. I also sang in the children's choir and learned lots of hymns.

Sadly we moved away. I got sent to an apostate Protestant church for a few years, then got dragged to the Unitarian Church. By age 12, I was reading KJV on my own, and memorizing Psalms.  It did not last with no support and I drifted into the New Age Movement.

God finally saved me at age 26 during a revival, and I went to various churches, until I got fed up and started looking for some decent doctrine.  God called me to Seminary. I was in a Canadian Southern Baptist Church so I went to their Seminary. It was totally awesome. I learned so much of the Bible, ministry tools and the original languages.  And what I really believed as far as doctrine.

I also learned what I didn't agree with in the SBC, as our professors were required to sign the 2000 Faith and Message Statement, and when the pastor of the small church I was attending became a domineering dictator, I left for another Baptist denomination. The elders and deacons there were just horrific. If they didn't think of it, it wasn't from God. And nepotism!  So when we moved, I finally found the right Baptist church and denomination for me. Another student had recommended it to me.

I'm very happy with the prerogatives of being a Baptist. I would love to see more outreach to children, which is what gave me such a grounding as a young child. But sadly, parents don't send their kids across the street or alley at age 6 or 7 these days!