Stucky, I'm not sure how you understand the gospel if you do not like doctrine or teaching. But, aside from that, your reply to me is why I find Bible discussion such a benefit. Your quote of John 10:29 really jumped off the page at me and I needed to check to see the version you used. You used the NRSV which I will repeat here:
“What my Father has given me is greater than all else, and no one can snatch it out of the Father’s hand.” (Joh 10:29 NRSV)
The NRSV makes what is given to be that which is greater, not God the Father. I scanned my available translations and found only one that agrees with that:
“That which my Father hath given me is greater than all: and no one can snatch them out of the hand of my Father.” (Joh 10:29 Douay)
I found the comments by the old Baptist, Dr. John Gill on this to be of importance here:
"... the Vulgate Latin version, and so some of the ancients read, "what my Father gave to me, is greater than all"; meaning, that the church given to him, and built on him, is stronger than all its enemies:..."
I have checked the new Roman Catholic Bibles: New Jerusalem Bible and the New American Bible and they have reverted back to the more standard rendering.
“My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.” (Joh 10:29 ESV)
and the NAB has: "My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all,* and no one can take them out of the Father’s hand."
I would reply though to our discussion, no one can take them out of the Father's hand, but one by freewill can jump out and reject the faith. I find it difficult to assign freewill to a man who is in sin's bondage, yet he has lost freewill to change his mind after exercising faith and having liberty. Smile.
God bless all his children!