Revelations 3:16

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Re: Revelations 3:16

« Reply #15 on: May 24, 2009, 08:08:27 AM »

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Judaism basically "ends" every time it doesn't acknowledge the fulfillment of the savior spoken about by its own prophets, such as Isaiah. That's why the ingrafted branches are more true Jews than the ones by descent, sons of Abraham--some Jews DID covert, of course. The Jews Paul were up against are the same sort of stubborn Israelites that went throughout its history.

I agree about the paradise interpretation.

As for the heavens disappearing, yes indeed, saints are often likened to stars in the sky, and the stars flung to the Earth (Revelations) are probably angels, since Jesus says we will be like angels. The spiritual war will happen (and is happening) or Earth. (such as a third of the angels/stars being flung to the Earth after the rebellion?)

Sentence diagramming would show that "glory in the church by Christ Jesus" can exclude the prepositional phrase, "for all generations". That is, the "glory (subject) in the church"--with its finite number (all the generations within it)--is forever and ever. Hence "all generations"does not imply an infinite number of them.

I think the Greek is in agreement with "the world never ending" (world without end,) or being destroyed? as you say. Only what could be shaken was removed from heaven.
http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/NTpdf/eph3.pdf

And I believe the Greek is also in agreement where it says "throughout all ages." "Ages" is eon in Greek. Paul makes this declaration about the church & the kingdom of God will last forever.

I think that particular verse COULD be in agreement, conceivably (not considering other scripture). But what I see in the original Greek is simply something like "all the generations are without end." How many generations there are is not specified; just that the generations will be in "esteem" forever.

That's fine. I just disagree & don't believe what you do about the verses. Actually the entire Eph. 3 should be considered when interpreting the verse.

But you mentioned: "It's in my signature also Eph 3:21 (NKJV)" Therefore making that the topic of discussion?

And so what? No, the Eph.3 verses I brought up to prove an eschatological point that the material world is confused with "the end of the age" in prophecy.
Never ever did God say he would destroy all of his creation. It was a new government (Christianity) which superseded Judaism. Isaiah 65& 66 prophesied of the "new heavens & earth" that came in the N.T. (AD70) Notice in Isa.65-66, how God said Jacob's seed would remain before Him. The wicked were destroyed. The remnant remained.(an escaped the city) That fulfilled the MYSTERY in Christ Jesus, making one man out of the 2. Jew & Gentile in Christ.

Also I refute any suppositions that there will be an end to the church age. Tradition & orthodoxy missed the NATURE of Christ returning in the clouds over Jerusalem in AD70. Historians didn't miss it though-they were eyewitnesses & provide enough natural & supernatural evidence to conclude that Christ returned the 2nd time in judgment over the skies of Jerusalem where the unbelieving Jews-saw, mourned for their nation & the riches of their temple & corrupted Judaism- but "fire" literally came down from heaven upon them for persecuting Christians & being Christ's enemy & the growing church's enemy.


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Re: Revelations 3:16

« Reply #16 on: June 14, 2009, 11:43:37 PM »

Quote from: Becki on May 10, 2009, 11:32:02 PM

Hi Huscarl,

I am a newbie, too!

I would love to discuss this subject with you!

Thanks! Message me any time :) Sorry it's taken me so long to say anything, I forgot I posted this lol.


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« Reply #17 on: July 30, 2009, 03:51:23 PM »

Lukewarm is the prescence of both hot and cold.
Cold=Cold
Hot=Hot
Lukewarm= Hot and Cold
Are you a believer of truth Yes or No (Hot or Cold)
Are you willing to do gods will Yes or No (Hot or Cold)
Do you believe the bible is the inspired word of God Yes or No (Hot or Cold)
If you answer Maybe or I havent decided yet to these and other likeminded questions you ARE lukewarm.


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Re: Revelations 3:16

« Reply #18 on: October 07, 2009, 03:20:15 PM »

Quote from: Huscarl on May 10, 2009, 11:04:13 PM

"So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth." (King James)

I interpret this to mean that we should be uncompromising in our principles, to always remain diligent in our faith. I strive to be uncompromising with my principles, but it's so much easier to "go with the flow" that it can be hard. This verse helps remind me to stay strong, because his is the only opinion that matters, who cares if other people view your faith as being "stubborn," "narrow minded" or "backward." Usually people who talk like that are the ones whom I think could be classified as lukewarm, and we should remember what folly that mentality is Amen!

This verse is saying a lot....Before i was a real chrsitian (and there is such a thing) i said that i thought Jesus was real...I said it but i really didn't mean it...It wasn't untill i had become a reall christian in heart too that i realised what that verse ment... Because you don't really belive in Christ you are like the warm water, he will not let you entre heaven, you must be 100 % sure that Christ is the Lord and then he will keep you...

at least thats what i got out of it

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Re: Revelations 3:16

« Reply #19 on: October 28, 2009, 07:00:32 PM »

lukewarm christian means that your in between.
the bible says that your yes needs to be yes and your no needs to be no.
Therefor, no in betwwen... do not be a lukeworm christian!!!!!!!


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