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« Reply #30 on: August 06, 2008, 03:44:53 PM »
Quote from: GTM on August 06, 2008, 03:42:15 PM
Alrighty then,

  Imagine this scene. Paul was on the road to Damascus breathing threats. All of a sudden God jumps out of the CLouds and saves Paul.

Question.

In what way was Paul seeking God?
He wasn't!

It says that he was breathing threats.

alrighty then,

Here is another question:

 The Disciples are walking along and they come to a man who was not doing so good. He was seeking gifts as a beggar. He wasn't seeking God.

Act 3:6   But Peter said, "I do not possess silver and gold, but what I do have I give to you: In the name of Jesus Christ the Nazarene--walk!"

God jumped out of the clouds kinda sorta and saved this man.

Question:

What was this man doing? He wasn't seeking God God was seeking him.

GTM


lol...this is good! Sometimes its good to use humor and sarcasm to get points across. Note the prophets.
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« Reply #31 on: August 07, 2008, 12:54:31 PM »
Quote from: Terrence on August 06, 2008, 03:44:53 PM
Quote from: GTM on August 06, 2008, 03:42:15 PM
Alrighty then,

  Imagine this scene. Paul was on the road to Damascus breathing threats. All of a sudden God jumps out of the CLouds and saves Paul.

Question.

In what way was Paul seeking God?
He wasn't!

It says that he was breathing threats.

alrighty then,

Here is another question:

 The Disciples are walking along and they come to a man who was not doing so good. He was seeking gifts as a beggar. He wasn't seeking God.

Act 3:6   But Peter said, "I do not possess silver and gold, but what I do have I give to you: In the name of Jesus Christ the Nazarene--walk!"

God jumped out of the clouds kinda sorta and saved this man.

Question:

What was this man doing? He wasn't seeking God God was seeking him.

GTM


lol...this is good! Sometimes its good to use humor and sarcasm to get points across. Note the prophets.

But Paul (Saul) was seeking God.  He certainly didn't hate God.  He thought he was doing God's work.   
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« Reply #31 on: August 07, 2008, 12:54:31 PM »
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« Reply #32 on: August 07, 2008, 12:55:41 PM »
He wasn't seeking God.. he was the hitman for the Jewish Authorities.. a soldier doing his duty so to speak.
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« Reply #33 on: August 07, 2008, 01:08:11 PM »
Jimmy,

  Romans 3 makes it clear that thee is none who seeks Him.

 He was a murdered. He killed Gods Children. How is that seeking God. He even broke the Ten Commandments in his effort to eradicate Christians.

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« Reply #34 on: August 07, 2008, 01:36:06 PM »
Paul most assuredly in his heart was serving God, the law has a harsh penalty for those who attack the temple norm.

Jesus suffered because of their interpretation of the law. You know the man-made theology of the day.

Paul thought he was serving God, he was seeking to please God.

Then Jesus met him on the road and gave him the Good News.

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« Reply #35 on: August 07, 2008, 02:18:18 PM »
Quote from: Tantor on August 07, 2008, 12:55:41 PM
He wasn't seeking God.. he was the hitman for the Jewish Authorities.. a soldier doing his duty so to speak.

He thought he was doing what God wanted him to do.  Sort of like Calvinists Smile
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« Reply #36 on: August 07, 2008, 02:26:09 PM »
I prefer to call myself a 'Paulist' or 'Polycarpist' or 'Justin Martyrist'... Calvin came along much later and just restated things.
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« Reply #37 on: August 07, 2008, 02:44:46 PM »
Quote from: Tantor on August 07, 2008, 02:26:09 PM
I prefer to call myself a 'Paulist' or 'Polycarpist' or 'Justin Martyrist'... Calvin came along much later and just restated things.

I think maybe Paul had you in mind when he wrote 1 Cor 1:12-14
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« Reply #38 on: August 07, 2008, 02:51:18 PM »
Ah Yes, Justin Martyr

  One of my favorite reads. Dialog with Trypho.

Jimmy,

  Did you know that Justin Martyr was a Disciple of John? Interestingly enough He believed in eternal security. Now if he leaned the Bible that way, one might ask, why? I would recommend that book.

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« Reply #39 on: August 07, 2008, 04:55:40 PM »
Quote from: GTM on August 07, 2008, 02:51:18 PM
Ah Yes, Justin Martyr

  One of my favorite reads. Dialog with Trypho.

Jimmy,

  Did you know that Justin Martyr was a Disciple of John? Interestingly enough He believed in eternal security. Now if he leaned the Bible that way, one might ask, why? I would recommend that book.

GTM

GTM,

Most of Paul's writings are to those who learned from him, i.e., Paul, but still got it wrong, so he wrote to correct them.  Judas was a disciple of Jesus but he got it wrong.  As I have said again and again, those early Christian writers hold no importance beyond the historical.  The RCC, and it seems you as well,  want to cut and paste from the historical theologians to bolster you beliefs.  You can quote them all day long but that will hold absolutely no sway with me -- none.
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« Reply #40 on: August 07, 2008, 06:00:12 PM »
Jimmy,

  What are you talking about? What cut and paste? What is this Judas stuff about?

You said:

Most of Paul's writings are to those who learned from him, i.e., Paul, but still got it wrong, so he wrote to correct them.  Judas was a disciple of Jesus but he got it wrong.  As I have said again and again, those early Christian writers hold no importance beyond the historical.  The RCC, and it seems you as well,  want to cut and paste from the historical theologians to bolster you beliefs.  You can quote them all day long but that will hold absolutely no sway with me -- none.

Most of Paul's writing are to those who learned from him.

I learn from him, don't you?

But still Paul got it wrong.

What did he get wrong?

If Paul came up to you and said, "I believe in eternal security," What would you say?

Most of the New Testament theology is developed from Paul's works in the Church.

Jimmy, if you don't like what Paul says, rip it out of your Bible. John and others will suffice quite well.

GTM
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« Reply #41 on: August 08, 2008, 07:27:12 PM »
Quote from: GTM on August 07, 2008, 06:00:12 PM
Jimmy,

  What are you talking about? What cut and paste? What is this Judas stuff about?

You said:

Most of Paul's writings are to those who learned from him, i.e., Paul, but still got it wrong, so he wrote to correct them.  Judas was a disciple of Jesus but he got it wrong.  As I have said again and again, those early Christian writers hold no importance beyond the historical.  The RCC, and it seems you as well,  want to cut and paste from the historical theologians to bolster you beliefs.  You can quote them all day long but that will hold absolutely no sway with me -- none.

Most of Paul's writing are to those who learned from him.

I learn from him, don't you?

But still Paul got it wrong.

What did he get wrong?

If Paul came up to you and said, "I believe in eternal security," What would you say?

Most of the New Testament theology is developed from Paul's works in the Church.

Jimmy, if you don't like what Paul says, rip it out of your Bible. John and others will suffice quite well.

GTM



GTM,

I didn't say Paul got anything wrong.  I said
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Most of Paul's writings are to those who learned from him, i.e., Paul, but still got it wrong, so he wrote to correct them.

Let me rewrite the sentence.

Most of Paul's writings are to those who had been taught by Paul himself, an apostle.  But even, so they got it wrong. Therefore Paul wrote to correct their misunderstandings.

The point is that Justin Martyr's being a disciple of John the apostle is not reason enough to assume that he is correct on everthing.
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« Reply #42 on: August 08, 2008, 08:49:35 PM »
Jimmy,

  Actually, Paul wrote to people that he never met. When he wrote to the Philippians he only knew a few people there and the same is true of other churches.

You said:

But even, so they got it wrong.

  Could you cite some examples for me as to where they got it wrong? That would be much appreciated.

Thank You and God Bless

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« Reply #43 on: August 09, 2008, 08:07:30 AM »
Quote from: GTM on August 08, 2008, 08:49:35 PM
Jimmy,

  Actually, Paul wrote to people that he never met. When he wrote to the Philippians he only knew a few people there and the same is true of other churches.

You said:

But even, so they got it wrong.

  Could you cite some examples for me as to where they got it wrong? That would be much appreciated.

Thank You and God Bless

GTM

Where would you like to start?  A lot of the letters in the NT (perhaps most) were written to correct misunderstandings.
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« Reply #44 on: August 09, 2008, 08:32:44 AM »
Jimmy,

  I was just looking for a couple of examples. Would be much appreciated.

GTM
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