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Re: Can't get there from here?
« Reply #225 on: September 02, 2011, 12:08:15 PM »
I guess God directed me back to this forum knowing I wouldn't find answers,

If that is not a slap in everyone face that comes to this forum except you then what is?

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Re: Can't get there from here?
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Re: Can't get there from here?
« Reply #226 on: September 02, 2011, 12:22:42 PM »
I guess God directed me back to this forum knowing I wouldn't find answers,

If that is not a slap in everyone face that comes to this forum except you then what is?
I did not find answers in the forum, but acknowledged everyone who posted helped lead me to answers.

Would it be a "slap in the face" if someone asked you for directions and you said, "Well, I think you go down the road a couple of miles and take a right..............." but then the person asking takes that right, realizes it's not going to get them where they hope to go, so stops at a gas station for clarification? Then.............................. that person arrives at their destination and tells those they're meeting with, "I stopped and asked this guy how to get here, what he told me wasn't going to get me here, but it led me to stop at that gas station. I'd have to say that guy helped me to get here because had I not talked to him I would have never stopped at the gas station."

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!!!!!!!

Is that better?    ::lookaround::

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Re: Can't get there from here?
« Reply #226 on: September 02, 2011, 12:22:42 PM »

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Re: Can't get there from here?
« Reply #227 on: September 02, 2011, 12:28:15 PM »
God knew this day would come and what would transpire  ::smile::

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Re: Can't get there from here?
« Reply #228 on: September 02, 2011, 12:34:12 PM »
God knew this day would come and what would transpire  ::smile::
Gospel, you seem to have been understanding what I was searching for in this thread. Do you think I found it?

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« Reply #228 on: September 02, 2011, 12:34:12 PM »

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Re: Can't get there from here?
« Reply #229 on: September 02, 2011, 12:52:38 PM »
As I said earlier today in reply #208 it is pretty obvious that crowcamp was not looking for answers.  He was simply looking for an opportunity to preach his Calvinist doctrine.  Under the rules and guidelines of the forum that is probably acceptable even if it was a little sleazy.

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Re: Can't get there from here?
« Reply #230 on: September 02, 2011, 12:57:08 PM »
God knew this day would come and what would transpire  ::smile::
Gospel, you seem to have been understanding what I was searching for in this thread. Do you think I found it?

I don't see what the big to do is all about

I enjoyed MacArthur's article and agree with most of it though not all and I am satisfied if you are, that you have found peace in his understanding of this topic.

My view of the matter is at odds with most

So I'm stuck on the Sovereign Will of God and get accept anything that is not founded on that

I try to stick to the simplicity of the Gospel and if it does not seem to make sense, I don't believe making it more complicated makes the scripture make more sense

So I am known for making simple statements that tend to frustrate and confound the wise

for instance here's some simplicity regarding this topic

If Judas was destined for destruction I don't understand why people are having a problem accepting the fact that some people are destined for Salvation and others are not

To me it's cut and dry because I know that I know that I know

God's Will is Sovereign...and that my friend is the firm foundation of much of what I adhere to concerning salvation and especially concerning Jesus

I'll touch upon another aspect of this in a new thread as this one is quite extensive and soon may be destined for obscurity  ::smile::






 

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Re: Can't get there from here?
« Reply #231 on: September 02, 2011, 01:00:10 PM »
::frown::  Went from one John Soandso to another. Oh well, to each his own I guess.




Personally, I will be sticking with the Lord and His words.

And 'I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself."

Rom. 5:18; 8:32; 2 Cor. 5:15; 1 Tim. 2:6; Heb. 2:9; 1 John 2:2

So, Born, you read this passage to mean all as in every single person, sinner or saved, that will ever be?

If it is all people then you are still right about everything being pointless Crowcamp! Your words are righteous!

Wow, we have a winner here! "Happy happy, joy joy"! (Ren and Stimpy song!)


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Re: Can't get there from here?
« Reply #232 on: September 02, 2011, 01:03:05 PM »
As I said earlier today in reply #208 it is pretty obvious that crowcamp was not looking for answers.  He was simply looking for an opportunity to preach his Calvinist doctrine.  Under the rules and guidelines of the forum that is probably acceptable even if it was a little sleazy.
So do you think the article of MacArthur's is Calvinist? I thought it to be looking at issues from several different angles, not from a carved-in-stone idealogy. And................. I had no idea what a Calvinist was until I started into this thread, so it would be pretty hard for me to "preach his Calvinist doctrine." I simply came with questions, some that have been answered, and some that I will keep working on.

As with everyone else, I thank you for your input.

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Re: Can't get there from here?
« Reply #233 on: September 02, 2011, 01:05:27 PM »
God knew this day would come and what would transpire  ::smile::
Gospel, you seem to have been understanding what I was searching for in this thread. Do you think I found it?

I don't see what the big to do is all about

I enjoyed MacArthur's article and agree with most of it though not all and I am satisfied if you are, that you have found peace in his understanding of this topic.

My view of the matter is at odds with most

So I'm stuck on the Sovereign Will of God and get accept anything that is not founded on that

I try to stick to the simplicity of the Gospel and if it does not seem to make sense, I don't believe making it more complicated makes the scripture make more sense

So I am known for making simple statements that tend to frustrate and confound the wise

for instance here's some simplicity regarding this topic

If Judas was destined for destruction I don't understand why people are having a problem accepting the fact that some people are destined for Salvation and others are not

To me it's cut and dry because I know that I know that I know

God's Will is Sovereign...and that my friend is the firm foundation of much of what I adhere to concerning salvation and especially concerning Jesus

I'll touch upon another aspect of this in a new thread as this one is quite extensive and soon may be destined for obscurity  ::smile::






 
I won't say I'm 100% satisfied, but have found at least some answers. I appreciate the kind way you post, gospel, and look forward to that new thread.  ::smile::

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Re: Can't get there from here?
« Reply #234 on: September 02, 2011, 01:15:48 PM »
As I said earlier today in reply #208 it is pretty obvious that crowcamp was not looking for answers.  He was simply looking for an opportunity to preach his Calvinist doctrine.  Under the rules and guidelines of the forum that is probably acceptable even if it was a little sleazy.

Yet it is no worse than some people taking every opportunity to preach the bad news that turning to Jesus is merely a formality and their salvation still depends on themselves

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Re: Can't get there from here?
« Reply #235 on: September 02, 2011, 01:20:06 PM »
As I said earlier today in reply #208 it is pretty obvious that crowcamp was not looking for answers.  He was simply looking for an opportunity to preach his Calvinist doctrine.  Under the rules and guidelines of the forum that is probably acceptable even if it was a little sleazy.

Yet it is no worse than some people taking every opportunity to preach the bad news that turning to Jesus is merely a formality and their salvation still depends on themselves

I have never read of anyone here at this forum preaching the bad news that turning to Jesus is merely a formality.  That must have been those voices again.

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Re: Can't get there from here?
« Reply #236 on: September 02, 2011, 01:32:57 PM »
As I said earlier today in reply #208 it is pretty obvious that crowcamp was not looking for answers.  He was simply looking for an opportunity to preach his Calvinist doctrine.  Under the rules and guidelines of the forum that is probably acceptable even if it was a little sleazy.

Yet it is no worse than some people taking every opportunity to preach the bad news that turning to Jesus is merely a formality and their salvation still depends on themselves

I have never read of anyone here at this forum preaching the bad news that turning to Jesus is merely a formality.  That must have been those voices again.

We-l-l-l they may not use those words but when you get through all the double talk that's the bottom line of what some people are really saying

Your salvation depends on you and what you do

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Re: Can't get there from here?
« Reply #237 on: September 02, 2011, 01:38:10 PM »
As I said earlier today in reply #208 it is pretty obvious that crowcamp was not looking for answers.  He was simply looking for an opportunity to preach his Calvinist doctrine.  Under the rules and guidelines of the forum that is probably acceptable even if it was a little sleazy.

Yet it is no worse than some people taking every opportunity to preach the bad news that turning to Jesus is merely a formality and their salvation still depends on themselves

I have never read of anyone here at this forum preaching the bad news that turning to Jesus is merely a formality.  That must have been those voices again.

We-l-l-l they may not use those words but when you get through all the double talk that's the bottom line of what some people are really saying

Your salvation depends on you and what you do

I don't think I have every read of anyone here at this forum say that either, exactly.  Perhaps they are not really saying what you think they are saying or what you have decided they are saying.  Perhaps you just don't understand what they are saying.

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Re: Can't get there from here?
« Reply #238 on: September 02, 2011, 01:38:37 PM »
& the title of the OP is correct. Most of us can't get to calvinism from where we are at in our spiritual walk.

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Re: Can't get there from here?
« Reply #239 on: September 02, 2011, 01:47:20 PM »
& the title of the OP is correct. Most of us can't get to calvinism from where we are at in our spiritual walk.

Thank you, John. Looking back, what I was seeing may have been leading me to Calvinism (although I didn't even know what that was).

I think the key is to avoid hard idealogies from any side, take the Word in it's entirety, and be open enough to learn as we go along. After all, doesn't it say the Word is for reproof and correction?