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« on: November 22, 2008, 02:39:00 AM »
TULIP means Five points of Calvinism.
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« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2008, 11:17:25 PM »
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« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2008, 03:40:02 PM »
Quote from: Wycliffes_Shillelagh on November 27, 2008, 11:17:25 PM
No.

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« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2008, 03:57:52 PM »
Quote from: chandrus on November 22, 2008, 02:39:00 AM
TULIP means Five points of Calvinism.

Calvin didn't even teach the five points of Calvinism.
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« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2008, 11:12:48 PM »
Jesus in his earthly life did not teach all five, but he did teach some. But, then if you were to include the rest of the NT writers you could say all five were taught, not as in word for word, but as in scripture implying them.
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« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2008, 11:17:11 PM »
Quote from: Charles Sloan on November 28, 2008, 03:57:52 PM
Calvin didn't even teach the five points of Calvinism.
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Hmmmm...apparently that's not a real emoticon.  I don't know, what do you think?
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« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2008, 01:22:01 PM »
Quote from: Wycliffes_Shillelagh on November 27, 2008, 11:17:25 PM
No.

YES! Jesus did teach the Doctrines of grace. For an exammple read John John 6:38-39
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« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2008, 07:27:34 PM »
Then please provide a red-letter citation for each of the five points.

For bonus credit, explain the context around each citation and how it supports your point.

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« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2008, 12:57:32 PM »
Jesus is the Word, there fore, I see no reason to isolate any of His teaching from the entirityof Holy Writ.
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« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2008, 01:05:14 PM »
Quote from: Wycliffes_Shillelagh on December 07, 2008, 07:27:34 PM
I won't hold my breath, K?

Please don't cause I don't know CPR.
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« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2008, 01:07:21 PM »
Quote from: Hobbit on December 08, 2008, 12:57:32 PM
Jesus is the Word, there fore, I see no reason to isolate any of His teaching from the entirityof Holy Writ.
I thought not.
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« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2008, 02:22:41 PM »
Me thinks you are right Jarrod.

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« Reply #12 on: December 09, 2008, 09:45:03 AM »
Mark 7:18 And He *said to them, "Are you so lacking in understanding also? Do you not understand that whatever goes into the man from outside cannot defile him,
  Mark 7:19 because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated?" (Thus He declared all foods clean.)
  Mark 7:20 And He was saying, "That which proceeds out of the man, that is what defiles the man.
  Mark 7:21 "For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed the evil thoughts, fornications, thefts, murders, adulteries,
  Mark 7:22 deeds of coveting and wickedness, as well as deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride and foolishness.
  Mark 7:23 "All these evil things proceed from within and defile the man."

JESUS TEACHING TOTAL DEPRAVITY.
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« Reply #13 on: December 09, 2008, 10:23:04 AM »
John 8:33 They answered Him, "We are Abraham's descendants and have never yet been enslaved to anyone; how is it that You say, 'You will become free'?"
  John 8:34 Jesus answered them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is the slave of sin.
  John 8:35 "The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son does remain forever.
  John 8:36 "So if the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed.
  John 8:37 "I know that you are Abraham's descendants; yet you seek to kill Me, because My word has no place in you.
  John 8:38 "I speak the things which I have seen with My Father; therefore you also do the things which you heard from your father."
  John 8:39 They answered and said to Him, "Abraham is our father." Jesus *said to them, "If you are Abraham's children, do the deeds of Abraham.
  John 8:40 "But as it is, you are seeking to kill Me, a man who has told you the truth, which I heard from God; this Abraham did not do.
  John 8:41 "You are doing the deeds of your father." They said to Him, "We were not born of fornication; we have one Father: God."
  John 8:42 Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and have come from God, for I have not even come on My own initiative, but He sent Me.
  John 8:43 "Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you cannot hear My word.
  John 8:44 "You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Jesus taught UNCONDITIONAL ELECTION
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« Reply #14 on: December 09, 2008, 10:45:56 AM »
John 14:10 "Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on My own initiative, but the Father abiding in Me does His works.
   13 John 15:24 "If I had not done among them the works which no one else did, they would not have sin; but now they have both seen and hated Me and My Father as well.

 DO YOU SEE NOW WHY THE ENTIRE PREMISE IS SO UNBIBLICAL?
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