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Offline gbzone

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The main problem with this and similar posts about the will of God is.That men are measuring Gods will by their own.
In truth  who's will did Eve do when she ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil?

True indeed she did of her own free will eat of it.

For she saw that it was good to eat  and would make her wise.

But it is also true .That she did not do the will of God.
But rather she did the will of the serpent.

And Adam. Who's will did he do when he also partook of it?

Gods or his wife's?

Now the will of God was expressed .Not to eat of it.
Who dares say it was other wise?
Lest you call God a liar.

Now in that they did not do the will of God but the will of the serpent.
What followed was it the will of God or the will of the serpent?

For in that God said "In the day ye eat thereof ye shall SURELY DIE"
The serpent  said "ye shall NOT surely die"

I ask again then .Who's will was done?
Gods or the serpents?

In the consequence for sin .It was Gods. will that was done not the devils.

Now is it not written "the soul that sinner it shall die"?

Is it not also written in the European  bill of human rights "Man has the right to life"?

Now who's word or will do you think will prevail?

Do you think a man can hold before God the bill of human rights  and think he will live?Ye shall not surely die?
Or will the Word and w3ill of God prevail and that man who has sinned shall die?

But that is Gods will as to SIN.
But what then Gods will as to RIGHTOUSNESS?

"The sting of death is sin and the power of sin is the law"
Who's will then do you think will prevail if you are Christs?
The devil or Gods?

When Jesus who knew no sin became sin and thus died for sin.
Who's will was done?
Gods or the devils  at the Crucifixion.
True indeed men did their will and the devil his.
But over and above all Gods will was done.

Both as to SIN and also unto RIGHTOUSNESS.
DEATH unto sin  for God condemned sin in the flesh.
and RIGHTOUSNESS unto LIFE.
Death  could not hold him nor hell either.
and despite the will of the devil .he rose again from the dead to the glory of God and for our justification.

Who's will then do you do?

Gods or the devils?

in Christ
Gerald
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What you are proposing would seem to violate this:

2 Peter 3:9  The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.

And yet men do perish in their sins.

God cannot will anything in vain.

You cannot or should not deny a scripture that speaks so plainly of one thing even though on the face of it ,it contradicts another.

Tell me :

When Adam and Eve  ate of that tree.

WHO's will did they do?

God's?
or the serpents?

Yet in doing the will of the serpent  did they not die?

Yet as you point out Gods will cannot be thwarted  nor is it in vain.

But that is not  because  he is bigger than all and can therefore  compell all into submission. Thats not Gods way.

For" His  strength is made perfect in weakness"

God revealed  His eternal will when he said "Lest ye die...."

His will therefore was man should live and not die.
Now  do you realy think  that the devil somehow got the upper hand on God even for a second? or ever has?

Man is made in the image of God.

God by His own free will said "Let there be light"
The road to calvary  did nto start at Bethelehem.But with those words.

For do you not know God knows the end from the beginning?
That he has revealed himsel;f through the scriptures as a "husbandman" Both in Word and practice. For he" planted a garden east of Eden"
Now even a farmer knows the harvest  he will reap or the fruit that will grow  by the seed that is planted ,does he not?

Well how much the more does God?

For is it not written and recorded the Words of jesus that the kingdom of God is likened unto a sower that whent to sow.Or like unto a good man who sowed good seed in his feild but while MEN slept his enemy came and sowed tares?

Know ye not that God is not mocked whatsoever a man sows that shall he reap?

Now  if A&E believed the serpent and died .Are we then to assume that Gods eternal will was thwarted?
of course not.

For  the first Adam was made a living soul the last (Adam)a quickening Spirit.

Did not Jesus say  "The devil has come to steal to kill and to destroy,but I have come that ye might have LIFE and life more abundantly"?
Is it not written "My Word that goerth forth out of my mouth shall not return unto me void  but shall acomplish that where unto I sent it"?
Is not Jesus the Word made flesh?Who proceedeth from the father?

So How is gods will thwarted because men do not believe?

Have you forgotten  that the children of Isreal are given for our ensample?

That through thier unbelief they were cut off  and through our belief we were grafted in.Albeit we are the wild branch and they the naural.
Now if they were cut off through unbelief do you not think that if the gentiles fall into unbelief that they will not be cut off also.
and if the Jews now believe they will be grafted back in.(romans 11)
How then is Gods will in vain  if men  do not believe?

it is not.

in very truth  when a person is truly BORN  again  by the Word of God and the Spirit of God. Then they do but enter into that  eternal will of God  preordianed and determined  from before the foundations of the world.

This is even from the beginning  even from Able.

Therefore  it IS Gods will that NONE should perish  but that ALL should come  to a knowldge of the truth.
That those who perish and do not  is not to  Gods shame  but to thiers and it is to Gods glory that His will was such and is.

"For havign loved them he loved them to the end"
When Jesus  the Lord of the feast  dipped his bread  into his wine strached out his hand  and offered  it to Judas. That is an underserving honour to the one to whom it is offered.

It is no coincidence then that it is written :

"In the night he was betrayed ;He took bread  and ....."

For on the night of the deepest intamacy and fellowship he was betrayed by one sitting at his own table.

Did not david speak of it as  settign a table  before my enemies?

The Lords hand  is still streched out .Offerign mercy and reconciliation to God.

If men do not accept that .Gods will  has not changed.

For jesus knowing that he would betray Him  still by an act of will  held out his hand.

That Judas rejected  that mercy  left only judgement.

The gentiles have no excuse.
Even as  the generation of Noah had no excuse.
For if you add up the days.
You will find Adam still living almost to the time of Noah.
They had Enoch.
and then they ahd the 125 years  of Noahs warnings and the preaching of rightousness.

It is written that "Noah condemned his generation"

The generation of Abaraham  had no excuse either.
For Noah lived up to the time of Abraham.
God was justyfied then  and they condemned.

The gentiles have no excuse either .
For they have the Jews as thier ensample.
an Unbroken line bearing witness to the laws and the prophest of God.

The gentiles therefore have no excuse  and if they all perished .Gods will is done and not thwarted and he is judtyfioed and gloryfied in it all.
But  those who have believed  and by thier lives  and words bare witness to the as yet unseen blazing sun.
Who are the light  in a world of darkness.
Then they too  condemn those who do not believe the truth.
Or rather "they who do not believe  are condemned already" For they have not believed on Him whom God has sent"

God is NOT willing  that any should perish. TRUE.
if a man finds himself  in hell.
It is because  he has resisted that will and loved darkness more than the light.

To resist the irisistable is to bring destruction down upon your own head.
To deny the irifutable  is to bring damnation  to your soul.

in Christ

gerald
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