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MarcStinebaugh
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« on: October 02, 2008, 05:40:23 PM »
If you don't understand that God has more than one will.

Nothing will ever make sense to you.
That's why people don't understand Gods' choosing of people.

I was led to this after 5 straight days of study on this topic, that led me to the conclusion that GOD absolutely must have more than one will....

then, I found this site.

And it all made sense.


http://www.desiringgod.org/ResourceLibrary/Articles/ByDate/1995/1580_Are_There_Two_Wills_in_God/
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« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2008, 03:50:15 PM »
Quote from: MarcStinebaugh on October 02, 2008, 05:40:23 PM
If you don't understand that God has more than one will.

Nothing will ever make sense to you.
That's why people don't understand Gods' choosing of people.

I was led to this after 5 straight days of study on this topic, that led me to the conclusion that GOD absolutely must have more than one will....

then, I found this site.

And it all made sense.


http://www.desiringgod.org/ResourceLibrary/Articles/ByDate/1995/1580_Are_There_Two_Wills_in_God/


I understand God's choosing of people.
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And let those who are not found living as He taught, be understood to be no Christians, even though they profess with the lip the precepts of Christ; for not those who make profession, but those who do the works, shall be saved, according to His word: “Not every one who saith to Me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven, but he that doeth the will of My Father which is in heaven.

Justin Martyr

When, however, the prescript is laid down that “without baptism, salvation is attainable by none” (chiefly on the ground of that declaration of the Lord, who says, “Unless one be born of water, he hath not life”

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« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2008, 09:35:42 AM »
Quote from: MarcStinebaugh on October 02, 2008, 05:40:23 PM
If you don't understand that God has more than one will.

Nothing will ever make sense to you.
That's why people don't understand Gods' choosing of people.

I was led to this after 5 straight days of study on this topic, that led me to the conclusion that GOD absolutely must have more than one will....

then, I found this site.

And it all made sense.


http://www.desiringgod.org/ResourceLibrary/Articles/ByDate/1995/1580_Are_There_Two_Wills_in_God/


God's will is His desire, so , if God has more than one will, please expleain how He can desire to things the oppose each other.
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And let those who are not found living as He taught, be understood to be no Christians, even though they profess with the lip the precepts of Christ; for not those who make profession, but those who do the works, shall be saved, according to His word: “Not every one who saith to Me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven, but he that doeth the will of My Father which is in heaven.

Justin Martyr

When, however, the prescript is laid down that “without baptism, salvation is attainable by none” (chiefly on the ground of that declaration of the Lord, who says, “Unless one be born of water, he hath not life”

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« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2008, 11:22:56 PM »
Quote from: Butch5 on October 04, 2008, 09:35:42 AM
Quote from: MarcStinebaugh on October 02, 2008, 05:40:23 PM
If you don't understand that God has more than one will.

Nothing will ever make sense to you.
That's why people don't understand Gods' choosing of people.

I was led to this after 5 straight days of study on this topic, that led me to the conclusion that GOD absolutely must have more than one will....

then, I found this site.

And it all made sense.


http://www.desiringgod.org/ResourceLibrary/Articles/ByDate/1995/1580_Are_There_Two_Wills_in_God/


God's will is His desire, so , if God has more than one will, please expleain how He can desire to things the oppose each other.


That's the whole reason I posted the link. Read it and that way I don't have to spend an hour doing it myself and looking everything up again. Thanks for asking though.
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« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2008, 07:29:47 PM »
Quote from: MarcStinebaugh on October 05, 2008, 11:22:56 PM
Quote from: Butch5 on October 04, 2008, 09:35:42 AM
Quote from: MarcStinebaugh on October 02, 2008, 05:40:23 PM
If you don't understand that God has more than one will.

Nothing will ever make sense to you.
That's why people don't understand Gods' choosing of people.

I was led to this after 5 straight days of study on this topic, that led me to the conclusion that GOD absolutely must have more than one will....

then, I found this site.

And it all made sense.


http://www.desiringgod.org/ResourceLibrary/Articles/ByDate/1995/1580_Are_There_Two_Wills_in_God/


God's will is His desire, so , if God has more than one will, please expleain how He can desire to things the oppose each other.


That's the whole reason I posted the link. Read it and that way I don't have to spend an hour doing it myself and looking everything up again. Thanks for asking though.

I don't need to read it. I am already familiar with that error. I just wanted to see if you could explain away the error. It's the typical Calvinist argument, if the Scripture doesn't fit the doctrine, then change the Scripture.
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And let those who are not found living as He taught, be understood to be no Christians, even though they profess with the lip the precepts of Christ; for not those who make profession, but those who do the works, shall be saved, according to His word: “Not every one who saith to Me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven, but he that doeth the will of My Father which is in heaven.

Justin Martyr

When, however, the prescript is laid down that “without baptism, salvation is attainable by none” (chiefly on the ground of that declaration of the Lord, who says, “Unless one be born of water, he hath not life”

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« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2009, 10:55:39 PM »



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I don't need to read it. I am already familiar with that error. I just wanted to see if you could explain away the error. It's the typical Calvinist argument, if the Scripture doesn't fit the doctrine, then change the Scripture.
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You can't accuse someone of changing the scripture when you haven't read it for yourself.
It not only helps to know God has two wills, but it also helps to know, that in the Greek, all doesn't always mean all.
Or did Calvinists change the Greek definition too?
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« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2009, 04:21:18 AM »
Quote from: transparent.tulip on April 17, 2009, 10:55:39 PM
it also helps to know, that in the Greek, all doesn't always mean all.

Please elaborate.
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« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2009, 01:39:29 PM »
Quote from: James Rondon on April 18, 2009, 04:21:18 AM
Quote from: transparent.tulip on April 17, 2009, 10:55:39 PM
it also helps to know, that in the Greek, all doesn't always mean all.

Please elaborate.

I don't want to be off topic on here. But I can im the info to you.
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« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2009, 08:12:02 AM »
I agree that this article is very good and it helped me to come to terms with Predestination.  I was led to it some time ago.  I grew up believing in the free will to resist God's call, because I'd never heard anything different and when I was introduced to Predestination I understood it but couldn't completely agree with it in light of all the scripture.  I remained about 98% pro-predestination and kept bringing it to God in prayer until I read this article.  Although I'm always open to discussion, I feel like I have my answer.

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« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2009, 05:42:03 PM »
God's has one perfect will.

God does will that which He does not desire.
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