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Why do Pastors and churches who fly the flag of Independent and or Sovereign Grace call themselves Baptist when in fact they are follows of Calvinism which is for all purposes man-centered?

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Re: Sovereign Grace/Independent...... just another name for Calvinism
« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2009, 03:18:43 AM »
For the same reason why we now call window blinds window treatments.
"Sin fascinates you, then it assassinates you."

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Re: Sovereign Grace/Independent...... just another name for Calvinism
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2009, 05:39:15 AM »
I think they go by "Baptist" since they practice credobaptism (believer's baptism) instead of paedobaptism (infant baptism).


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Re: Sovereign Grace/Independent...... just another name for Calvinism
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2010, 04:43:40 PM »
It is a name game.  ::juggle::  If they do not identify with Baptist and call themselves Calvinist or Reformed then other believers looking for a local church would be less likely to visit.  ::pondering:: I see the Calvinist movements primary growth coming from proselytizing.   ::tippinghat::
 

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Re: Sovereign Grace/Independent...... just another name for Calvinism
« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2010, 11:06:16 AM »
Mr Flpastor:

Why do Pastors and churches who fly the flag of Independent and or Sovereign Grace call themselves Baptist when in fact they are follows of Calvinism which is for all purposes man-centered?

I don't recognize your description of what are known as the Doctrines of Grace, as being supposedly man-centered.
John 3.16 contains great theology, without doubt.

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Re: Sovereign Grace/Independent...... just another name for Calvinism
« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2010, 11:09:54 AM »
Mr Flpastor:

Why do Pastors and churches who fly the flag of Independent and or Sovereign Grace call themselves Baptist when in fact they are follows of Calvinism which is for all purposes man-centered?

I don't recognize your description of what are known as the Doctrines of Grace, as being supposedly man-centered.

But others certainly do.

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Re: Sovereign Grace/Independent...... just another name for Calvinism
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2010, 11:14:36 AM »
J:

Mr Flpastor:

Why do Pastors and churches who fly the flag of Independent and or Sovereign Grace call themselves Baptist when in fact they are follows of Calvinism which is for all purposes man-centered?

I don't recognize your description of what are known as the Doctrines of Grace, as being supposedly man-centered.

But others certainly do.

No evidence was given.

It seems like just another opportunity to make accusations, without backing them up with specifics.
John 3.16 contains great theology, without doubt.

Read God's Word prayerfully every day; it's a joy and privilege.

If folks feel they must have TATTOOS, have you considered having faith related designs tattooed?

(And try vacationing in the South: plenty of sun, and some great churches down there!)

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Re: Sovereign Grace/Independent...... just another name for Calvinism
« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2010, 05:46:57 AM »
J:

Mr Flpastor:

Why do Pastors and churches who fly the flag of Independent and or Sovereign Grace call themselves Baptist when in fact they are follows of Calvinism which is for all purposes man-centered?

I don't recognize your description of what are known as the Doctrines of Grace, as being supposedly man-centered.

But others certainly do.

No evidence was given.

It seems like just another opportunity to make accusations, without backing them up with specifics.

No accusation. Just an observation.

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Re: Sovereign Grace/Independent...... just another name for Calvinism
« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2010, 10:16:00 PM »
Credo Baptism or believer's baptism is a very old pagan practice.  Harold Bloom has well noted that this baptist view is a distinctly American form of Gnosticism with no connections to history.  Believers are so simple-minded that they believe that BAPTISM NOW SAVES.  Or that repentance AND be baptized was FOR or in order to the remission of sins and EIS never, ever means BECAUSE of remission of sins.

Apollo is called the Washer and the creation of anxiety through music caused people to believe that the gods were transforming them through external means: that goes back to Nimrod who led around a female music team for that purpose.

After you had been washed by some kind of ecstatic fit, you should then be baptized to PROVE to everyone that you had been purified without the mundane water.

This is the root of the "two gospels" where Jesus did not die for the Credo Baptismists but Christ must come after they have been certified by the collective and die SPECIFICIALLY for you. That is the same messages as the other "sacrament" the eucharist or mass.  In some cases it was believed that the person must BECOME Christ and die for his own sins.

I haven't been able to find SOVEREIGN in the Bible.