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Question: What do you think of Calvinism?
Calvinism is a false teaching.   -15 (31.9%)
Calvinism has some truth at its root, but taken to the extreme its teaching are not Biblical.   -14 (29.8%)
While not lining up completely with Scripture, I think Calvinism is about as close as any theological system out there.   -0 (0%)
Calvinism is exactly what the Bible teaches.   -13 (27.7%)
Other.   -5 (10.6%)
Total Voters: 44

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« Reply #30 on: July 10, 2008, 10:21:18 AM »
Quote from: davidandme on July 10, 2008, 10:01:16 AM
Does Calvinism teaches that people that are save are always saved?

Yes.

Quote from: davidandme on July 10, 2008, 10:01:16 AM
Or that everybody is saved no matter what?

No.  The "L" in "TULIP" stands for "Limited atonement."  God has chosen only some to be saved.
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« Reply #31 on: July 10, 2008, 10:27:54 AM »
I don't know enough about it to give an opinion. I know that lack of knowledge doesn't stop some people from expressing an opinion, but I prefer to know what I'm talking about.  Preach it!
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« Reply #32 on: July 10, 2008, 10:33:52 AM »
Quote from: DCR on July 10, 2008, 10:21:18 AM
Quote from: davidandme on July 10, 2008, 10:01:16 AM
Does Calvinism teaches that people that are save are always saved?

Yes.

Quote from: davidandme on July 10, 2008, 10:01:16 AM
Or that everybody is saved no matter what?

If God already chose who is saved and who isn't.  What happen to our free will.  Do we still have it?
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« Reply #33 on: July 10, 2008, 10:54:02 AM »
If God already chose who is saved and who isn't.  What happen to our free will.  Do we still have it?
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« Reply #34 on: July 10, 2008, 10:55:58 AM »
Quote from: davidandme on July 10, 2008, 10:33:52 AM
Quote from: DCR on July 10, 2008, 10:21:18 AM
Quote from: davidandme on July 10, 2008, 10:01:16 AM
Does Calvinism teaches that people that are save are always saved?

Yes.

Quote from: davidandme on July 10, 2008, 10:01:16 AM
Or that everybody is saved no matter what?

If God already chose who is saved and who isn't.  What happen to our free will.  Do we still have it?

Someone who holds to those beliefs might answer that better than I can.

But, as I understand it, they believe that man by nature is unable to have faith in God.  So, man is unable to follow God from his own "free will" since that "will" is corrupted by original sin.  This is why God must first "enable" man's will to have faith.  That is their understanding of what "regeneration" is.  And, that is what salvation is.  

For those not chosen to be saved first, they remain unable to have faith because of their corrupted will.

This is the "T" in "TULIP," which stands for "Total depravity."
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« Reply #35 on: July 10, 2008, 01:10:57 PM »
I don't understand why would anybody believe this when we the Bible tells us in Jos 24:15    choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that [were] on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites,

God clearly gives us a choice.  There is no love without choice.  What do you think?
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« Reply #36 on: July 10, 2008, 02:09:13 PM »
Calvinists are quick to point out that anyone who does not hold to all five points of Calvinism are not Calvinists.

If that is true then it is false.

Adam was created in the image of Jesus, so am I, and everyone else born on this earth.

He died for all of His children, if they will only believe it.

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« Reply #37 on: July 10, 2008, 02:12:19 PM »
Quote from: davidandme on July 10, 2008, 01:10:57 PM
I don't understand why would anybody believe this when we the Bible tells us in Jos 24:15    choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that [were] on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites,

God clearly gives us a choice.  There is no love without choice.  What do you think?

I think you are taking that passage way out of context.. (unless you are a Jew under the Old Covenant).
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« Reply #38 on: July 10, 2008, 02:15:54 PM »
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Calvinists are quick to point out that anyone who does not hold to all five points of Calvinism are not Calvinists.

That's true. Its an oxymoron to say that you are a Calvinist but don't hold to each important point.

If that is true then it is false.

What do you mean?

Adam was created in the image of Jesus, so am I, and everyone else born on this earth.

True.

He died for all of His children, if they will only believe it.

Jesus once said..."I lay my life down for the sheep" (John 10:15). Why do you contend for all when he didn't?
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« Reply #39 on: July 10, 2008, 02:24:04 PM »
Quote from: Terrence on July 10, 2008, 02:15:54 PM
Harold


Calvinists are quick to point out that anyone who does not hold to all five points of Calvinism are not Calvinists.

That's true. Its an oxymoron to say that you are a Calvinist but don't hold to each important point.

If that is true then it is false.

What do you mean?

Adam was created in the image of Jesus, so am I, and everyone else born on this earth.

True.

He died for all of His children, if they will only believe it.

Jesus once said..."I lay my life down for the sheep" (John 10:15). Why do you contend for all when he didn't?

Joh 10:14  "I am the good shepherd. I know my sheep as the Father knows me. My sheep know me as I know the Father. Joh 10:15  So I give my life for my sheep.

All who are created in His image.

FTL
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« Reply #40 on: July 10, 2008, 02:38:31 PM »
Quote from: Harold on July 10, 2008, 02:24:04 PM
Quote from: Terrence on July 10, 2008, 02:15:54 PM
Harold


Calvinists are quick to point out that anyone who does not hold to all five points of Calvinism are not Calvinists.

That's true. Its an oxymoron to say that you are a Calvinist but don't hold to each important point.

If that is true then it is false.

What do you mean?

Adam was created in the image of Jesus, so am I, and everyone else born on this earth.

True.

He died for all of His children, if they will only believe it.

Jesus once said..."I lay my life down for the sheep" (John 10:15). Why do you contend for all when he didn't?

Joh 10:14  "I am the good shepherd. I know my sheep as the Father knows me. My sheep know me as I know the Father. Joh 10:15  So I give my life for my sheep.

All who are created in His image.

FTL


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« Reply #41 on: July 10, 2008, 02:53:19 PM »
I was thinking the same thing.. huh?

Especially when sheep are usually used to contrast against goats... some humans are sheep and some are goats (metaphorically).
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« Reply #42 on: July 10, 2008, 02:58:13 PM »
Kind of funny; ony 22.2% at this point display a positive view of Calvinism.  Yet Calvinism currently dominates this board, with the view often being expressed that those of us who disagree are unlearned and ignorant.  You would think that, given the numbers shown by this poll, that the Calvinists on tis board would show a modicum of respect for those who differ.

(10-1 that this will be answered with a response that shifts the blame or responsibility to others.)
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« Reply #43 on: July 10, 2008, 03:02:25 PM »
Quote from: marc on July 10, 2008, 02:58:13 PM
Kind of funny; ony 22.2% at this point display a positive view of Calvinism.  Yet Calvinism currently dominates this board, with the view often being expressed that those of us who disagree are unlearned and ignorant.  You would think that, given the numbers shown by this poll, that the Calvinists on tis board would show a modicum of respect for those who differ.

(10-1 that this will be answered with a response that shifts the blame or responsibility to others.)

You folks from Armenia just must not be as genetically smart as Calvinists, who are only trying to show you the truth, but no, you won't "study" with those who know the truth. 
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« Reply #44 on: July 10, 2008, 03:04:14 PM »
Quote from: DCR on July 10, 2008, 10:21:18 AM
Quote from: davidandme on July 10, 2008, 10:01:16 AM
Does Calvinism teaches that people that are save are always saved?

Yes.


However, it does teach that those who are saved will persevere, which is different than what is stated in OSAS.
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