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« on: August 09, 2008, 08:44:15 PM »
I was musing the other day about why there aren't any Calvanists who are Charismatics.

I think that the perhaps the answer is that the manifestation of the Spirit in signs and wonders conflicts with the doctrine of persevearance of the saints.

But what do you who are Calvanists think?
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« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2008, 08:47:13 PM »
Quote from: Wycliffes_Shillelagh on August 09, 2008, 08:44:15 PM
I was musing the other day about why there aren't any Calvanists who are Charismatics.

I think that the perhaps the answer is that the manifestation of the Spirit in signs and wonders conflicts with the doctrine of persevearance of the saints.

But what do you who are Calvanists think?

There are those who are Charismatic and Reformed.  There are posters on this very board who describe themselves as something along this line.  I don't see how manifestations of the Spirit conflict with the Perseverance/Preservation of the Saints.
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« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2008, 09:07:06 PM »
If one believes that the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every true believer as an evidence of their sealing with the Spirit...

And believes that sealing with the Spirit is God's guarantee of salvation...

And then sees some of those who have manifested the works of the Spirit go astray...

It doesn't add up to P.

But maybe somebody who would characterize themself as a Charasmatic Calvanist could shed some light on how that problem resolves itself?

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« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2008, 09:37:32 PM »
Quote from: Wycliffes_Shillelagh on August 09, 2008, 09:07:06 PM
If one believes that the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every true believer as an evidence of their sealing with the Spirit...

And believes that sealing with the Spirit is God's guarantee of salvation...

And then sees some of those who have manifested the works of the Spirit go astray...

It doesn't add up to P.

But maybe somebody who would characterize themself as a Charasmatic Calvanist could shed some light on how that problem resolves itself?

Jarrod

Would they say it is a false manifestation?
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« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2008, 09:49:08 PM »
Quote from: Gary on August 09, 2008, 09:37:32 PM
Would they say it is a false manifestation?
That would mean that they have to admit that they don't know how to tell the difference.  Can't tell the Spirit of God apart from the works of El Diablo.

That's pretty much saying that you don't know God.

I don't know any Charismatic who would admit that, but what do I know?

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« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2008, 09:49:48 PM »
Quote from: Wycliffes_Shillelagh on August 09, 2008, 09:49:08 PM
Quote from: Gary on August 09, 2008, 09:37:32 PM
Would they say it is a false manifestation?
That would mean that they have to admit that they don't know how to tell the difference.  Can't tell the Spirit of God apart from the works of El Diablo.

That's pretty much saying that you don't know God.

I don't know any Charismatic who would admit that, but what do I know?

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« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2008, 05:42:20 PM »
Quote from: Wycliffes_Shillelagh on August 09, 2008, 08:44:15 PM
I was musing the other day about why there aren't any Calvanists who are Charismatics.

I think that the perhaps the answer is that the manifestation of the Spirit in signs and wonders conflicts with the doctrine of persevearance of the saints.

But what do you who are Calvanists think?

By charasmatic I'm not sure what you mean.

I believe in signs and wonders, I also believe in false signs and wonders.

Learn not to go beyond the things written as the Bible says.

Like, crazy laughing and barking like dogs.
Stupid things that are really just demonic shows.
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« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2008, 06:37:02 PM »
I'm a charismatic Calvarminian - there is no conflict between the works of the Spirit and the eternal security of the believer.
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« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2008, 07:51:42 PM »
I am a Calminian too, although I don't know if I would be considered charismatic or not though.
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« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2008, 12:25:41 PM »
Quote from: Gary on August 09, 2008, 09:49:48 PM
Quote from: Wycliffes_Shillelagh on August 09, 2008, 09:49:08 PM
Quote from: Gary on August 09, 2008, 09:37:32 PM
Would they say it is a false manifestation?
That would mean that they have to admit that they don't know how to tell the difference.  Can't tell the Spirit of God apart from the works of El Diablo.

That's pretty much saying that you don't know God.

I don't know any Charismatic who would admit that, but what do I know?

Jarrod

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« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2008, 12:35:04 PM »
Quote from: zoonance on October 03, 2008, 12:25:41 PM
Quote from: Gary on August 09, 2008, 09:49:48 PM
Quote from: Wycliffes_Shillelagh on August 09, 2008, 09:49:08 PM
Quote from: Gary on August 09, 2008, 09:37:32 PM
Would they say it is a false manifestation?
That would mean that they have to admit that they don't know how to tell the difference.  Can't tell the Spirit of God apart from the works of El Diablo.

That's pretty much saying that you don't know God.

I don't know any Charismatic who would admit that, but what do I know?

Jarrod

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Christian zebraism or tigerism?

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« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2008, 09:20:08 PM »
Quote from: Wycliffes_Shillelagh on August 09, 2008, 08:44:15 PM
I was musing the other day about why there aren't any Calvanists who are Charismatics.

I think that the perhaps the answer is that the manifestation of the Spirit in signs and wonders conflicts with the doctrine of persevearance of the saints.

But what do you who are Calvanists think?

I simply think you should learn to spell the word if you're going to engage others in a discussion.
It's C-a-l-v-i-n-i-s-t-s.  You know, like Arminians vs Armenians.
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« Reply #12 on: October 04, 2008, 09:21:39 PM »
Quote from: da525382 on October 04, 2008, 09:20:08 PM
Quote from: Wycliffes_Shillelagh on August 09, 2008, 08:44:15 PM
I was musing the other day about why there aren't any Calvanists who are Charismatics.

I think that the perhaps the answer is that the manifestation of the Spirit in signs and wonders conflicts with the doctrine of persevearance of the saints.

But what do you who are Calvanists think?

I simply think you should learn to spell the word if you're going to engage others in a discussion.
It's C-a-l-v-i-n-i-s-t-s.  You know, like Arminians vs Armenians.


I don't know if we can classify Armenians as a theological group.
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« Reply #13 on: October 04, 2008, 09:24:02 PM »
Quote from: Gary on October 04, 2008, 09:21:39 PM
Quote from: da525382 on October 04, 2008, 09:20:08 PM
Quote from: Wycliffes_Shillelagh on August 09, 2008, 08:44:15 PM
I was musing the other day about why there aren't any Calvanists who are Charismatics.

I think that the perhaps the answer is that the manifestation of the Spirit in signs and wonders conflicts with the doctrine of persevearance of the saints.

But what do you who are Calvanists think?

I simply think you should learn to spell the word if you're going to engage others in a discussion.
It's C-a-l-v-i-n-i-s-t-s.  You know, like Arminians vs Armenians.


I don't know if we can classify Armenians as a theological group.

Nor do I know if we can classify Calvanists as a theological group. Smile
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« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2008, 03:39:59 PM »
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Years ago I went to a Baptist Church with a friend  in Pennsylvania. Mid way through the service people began speaking in tongues. Hence there is at least one Calvinistic Charismatic Church out there.

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