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Re: A picture is worth how many words?
« Reply #135 on: January 24, 2012, 01:53:15 PM »
I ALSO found this, which shows the Cathoplic Church is FAR and away the largest charitable contributor among churches in America.

Again - the ONLY reason I post this is to rebut FireSward's inane comment that the Catholic Church "barely feeds the poor".
The following figures are in Millions:

Roman Catholic Church   $33,000
Southern Baptist Convention   $7,970
United Methodist Church   $4,760
LDS (Morman) ‡   $4,900
Evangelical Lutheran Church in America   2,300
Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.)   $2,920
Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod   $1,200
Episcopal Church   $2,230
Assemblies of God   $338
United Church of Christ   $824
American Baptist Churches U.S.A.   $422
Christian Church (Disciples of Christ)   $483
Presbyterian Church in America   $484
Reformed Church in America   $264

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Re: A picture is worth how many words?
« Reply #135 on: January 24, 2012, 01:53:15 PM »

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Re: A picture is worth how many words?
« Reply #136 on: January 24, 2012, 02:21:04 PM »
There's contradictory information available.  A book entitled "Why Catholics Don't Give, And What Can be Done About It"  by Charles Zech, Chair of the Economics Department at Villanova University.

Quoting from that book, "Annual household donations by Catholics are only one-third of the donations given by Assemblies of God members, one-half of the donations of Baptists and Presbyterians, and well below donations of Lutherans."

http://www.philanthropyroundtable.org/topic/excellence_in_philanthropy/stepping_up_to_the_collection_plate

"Still, as the title of this book suggests, Catholics do not give either to their Church or to other charitable causes at nearly the level that might be expected, given their affluence. This despite clear Church teachings that emphasize both denominational and individual responsibility for the poor.

How bad is it? Catholic households give barely more than 1 percent of their income to their Church—about half of what most mainline Protestant families give, and far below what Jewish, Mormon, and more evangelical Protestant households contribute."

Also, the footnote to your list says "* Catholic Church Giving is a very rough estimate. "
http://donsnotes.com/society/donations.html

You know, I think this is one of those things that would be greatly difficult to track.  Especially when there is no specified criteria for the data being selected.  When it comes to giving per household, it appears that the non-Catholics give at a higher rate.  The Mormons blow us all away percentage/household wise. When it comes to denominations giving to charities, then it looks like the Catholic church gives at a higher rate. 

But, I question how the contributions that are given to charities by individuals directly rather than going through their church is counted (I suspect the answer is that it is not in these figures).  When you send money and goods to Haiti directly or to an organization geared to collect for the specific trauma, the organization doesn't require you to enter your denomination so those are contributions that are never 'credited' to a denomination.

I think it safe to say, that few of us give at the level that we should and that many of us live at a higher level than is needed.

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« Reply #137 on: January 24, 2012, 04:30:14 PM »
There's contradictory information available.  A book entitled "Why Catholics Don't Give, And What Can be Done About It"  by Charles Zech, Chair of the Economics Department at Villanova University.

Quoting from that book, "Annual household donations by Catholics are only one-third of the donations given by Assemblies of God members, one-half of the donations of Baptists and Presbyterians, and well below donations of Lutherans."

http://www.philanthropyroundtable.org/topic/excellence_in_philanthropy/stepping_up_to_the_collection_plate

"Still, as the title of this book suggests, Catholics do not give either to their Church or to other charitable causes at nearly the level that might be expected, given their affluence. This despite clear Church teachings that emphasize both denominational and individual responsibility for the poor.

How bad is it? Catholic households give barely more than 1 percent of their income to their Church—about half of what most mainline Protestant families give, and far below what Jewish, Mormon, and more evangelical Protestant households contribute."

Also, the footnote to your list says "* Catholic Church Giving is a very rough estimate. "
http://donsnotes.com/society/donations.html

You know, I think this is one of those things that would be greatly difficult to track.  Especially when there is no specified criteria for the data being selected.  When it comes to giving per household, it appears that the non-Catholics give at a higher rate.  The Mormons blow us all away percentage/household wise. When it comes to denominations giving to charities, then it looks like the Catholic church gives at a higher rate.  

But, I question how the contributions that are given to charities by individuals directly rather than going through their church is counted (I suspect the answer is that it is not in these figures).  When you send money and goods to Haiti directly or to an organization geared to collect for the specific trauma, the organization doesn't require you to enter your denomination so those are contributions that are never 'credited' to a denomination.

I think it safe to say, that few of us give at the level that we should and that many of us live at a higher level than is needed.

Regards,
AsAChild


AGAIN - Per capita contributions from the laity is NOT what was being discussed.

FireSword made a spurious claim about the Church when he said that the Catholic Church "barely feeds the poor", which is an outright LIE.  I called hinm on it because this is the very type of anti-Catholicism it is my sworn mission to expose.

I have shown that the Catholic Church as a whole gives more in services, goods, money and healthcare than any other ecclesial community - PERIOD.

I'm not making excuses for the per-capita contributions of Catholic Church-goers.  For that matter - ALL Christian Churches in the U.S. could and SHOULD do more to make an impact on society.  
Shame on ALL of us for the fact that Abortion still exists in the country.  
Shame on ALL of us for the fact that there are people in this country who go to bed hungry at night or have no place to live.
Shame on ALL of us for the fact that our schools teach the garbage they do to our children.

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Re: A picture is worth how many words?
« Reply #138 on: January 24, 2012, 05:09:35 PM »
I'm not making excuses for the per-capita  contributions of Catholic Church-goers.  For that matter - ALL Christian Churches in the U.S. could and SHOULD do more to make an impact on society. 
Shame on ALL of us for the fact that Abortion still exists in the country. 
Shame on ALL of us for the fact that there are people in this country who go to bed hungry  at night or have no  place to live.
Shame on ALL of us for the fact that our schools  teach the garbage they do to our children.
Elvis

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A stronger statement than  "barely feeds the poor"

Your statement says shame on ALL, Catholic church and all other churches and maybe the world too for not feeding them at ALL.

I think your values are close to my innane comment than you'd like to admit.

Perhaps, I'm not sure shaming is the best policy in order to stimulate people into action of good deeds though  ::shrug::  , maybe it works to a degree, but feeding the world requires supernatural help from Christ.




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« Reply #139 on: January 24, 2012, 05:21:52 PM »
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Shame on ALL of us for the fact that Abortion still exists in the country.
Shame on ALL of us for the fact that there are people in this country who go to bed hungry  at night or have no  place to live.
Shame on ALL of us for the fact that our schools  teach the garbage they do to our children.

And...
 
that divorce is as common among Christians as it is among unbelievers.

that abortion is as common among Christians as it is among unbelievers.

that Christian bookstores are filled to the brim with unnecessary plastic objects because we buy them.

that our families are in disarray and disorder.

that Christian women have lost sight of modesty.

that Christian men pursue sports and/or entertainment more than they pursue God.

Regards,
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« Reply #140 on: January 24, 2012, 05:36:08 PM »
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Shame on ALL of us for the fact that Abortion still exists in the country.
Shame on ALL of us for the fact that there are people in this country who go to bed hungry  at night or have no  place to live.
Shame on ALL of us for the fact that our schools  teach the garbage they do to our children.

And...
 
that divorce is as common among Christians as it is among unbelievers.

that abortion is as common among Christians as it is among unbelievers.

that Christian bookstores are filled to the brim with unnecessary plastic objects because we buy them.

that our families are in disarray and disorder.

that Christian women have lost sight of modesty.

that Christian men pursue sports and/or entertainment more than they pursue God.

Regards,
AsAChild

Beautiful.

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« Reply #141 on: January 25, 2012, 08:56:24 AM »
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Shame on ALL of us for the fact that Abortion still exists in the country.
Shame on ALL of us for the fact that there are people in this country who go to bed hungry  at night or have no  place to live.
Shame on ALL of us for the fact that our schools  teach the garbage they do to our children.

And...
 
that divorce is as common among Christians as it is among unbelievers.

that abortion is as common among Christians as it is among unbelievers.

that Christian bookstores are filled to the brim with unnecessary plastic objects because we buy them.

that our families are in disarray and disorder.

that Christian women have lost sight of modesty.

that Christian men pursue sports and/or entertainment more than they pursue God.

Regards,
AsAChild

AMEN.

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« Reply #142 on: January 26, 2012, 12:36:15 AM »
This man goes to minister Christ not to just be charitale. Sorry but this is not about who,s organized church outdoes the other. This is about every believer that  names the name of Christ. Your organized church does not save you but the life you live will all be accountable.

You're right.  It's NOT about who's "organized church" outdoes the other.
It's about the Mystical Body of Christ - HIS Church.  
It's about those seeking the truth not HAVING the fullness of Christ - no matter HOW many people they minister to.

It is a shame that your church has taught you to be so arrogant and condosending. There is no Protestant or Catholic in Gods kingdom. There are only those whos faith is christ and walk in his spirit. You misue the fullness to make it conditional upon affiliation. This is not scriptural at all.  If you have a Strongs concordance you can look up all the usage of the fullnes and how and who it applies to. Just pull out he one that says you have to be Roamn catholic to have the fullness

Read this verse from John i: 15  
 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. 16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.

Note it states we as all who believe upon Him have recieved of his fullness and grace. Jesus is the fullness of Gods grace not the church order or any denomination
 
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Re: A picture is worth how many words?
« Reply #143 on: January 26, 2012, 08:11:17 AM »
It is a shame that your church has taught you to be so arrogant and condosending. There is no Protestant or Catholic in Gods kingdom. There are only those whos faith is christ and walk in his spirit. You misue the fullness to make it conditional upon affiliation. This is not scriptural at all.  If you have a Strongs concordance you can look up all the usage of the fullnes and how and who it applies to. Just pull out he one that says you have to be Roamn catholic to have the fullness

Read this verse from John i: 15  
 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. 16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.

Note it states we as all who believe upon Him have recieved of his fullness and grace. Jesus is the fullness of Gods grace not the church order or any denomination
 

And John 1:15-16 is correct.  Those in the ONE Church Jesus established DO parrtake of his fullness.