I don't see a problem with upholding confidence toward your salvation, I just don't believe there is a hard and fast rule, IOW "do this and you'll be saved". It's almost hypocritical that the partakers of grace through faith salvation (eph 2:8) say that we "do nothing" to gain salvation, but you DO have to leave the Catholic church since eph 2:8 doesn't apply there.
Here is the thing Alan. At least the way I had always thought.
" It's almost hypocritical that the partakers of grace through faith salvation (eph 2:8) say that we "do nothing" to gain salvation"
None of us.... as far as I have know.... and least of all I... believe that you do nothing.
On a personal level ... at least I.... grow and learn about the wonders that we have been born into ( which I might add, never asked to be)... and those promised to us by faith that Jesus was sent by God... His heavenly Father... to SUFFER and die a most horrific death by being nailed.... NAILED... to a cross to be the ... using the term loosely... Passover Lamb for my ( yet not just my but everyone who comes to him and calls his name) sins.
On a personal level ... at least I... believe that He was born of a young woman who knew no mortal man until after His birth.
On a personal level... at least I... without doubt believe every word that was in the oft scoffed at... Apostles Creed...( which was not written by the apostles) that I learned as a very young girl and will repeat here for those who may never have done so or never heard.
I believe in God the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, And in Jesus Christ his only Son our Lord, Who was conceived by the Holy Ghost, Born of the Virgin Mary, Suffered under Pontius Pilate, Was crucified, dead, and buried. He descended into hell; The third day He rose again from the dead; He ascended into heaven, And sitteth on the right hand of God the Father Almighty; From thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead. I believe in the Holy Ghost; The Holy catholic Church, (As in Universal church
) the Communion of Saints; ( As in all true believers, living and dead
)The Forgiveness of sins; The Resurrection of the body, And the Life everlasting. Amen.
On a personal level ... these beliefs made me want to be a better person and do for others and do what I can in my limited abilities... not because I believe in works.... because that term is a foreign concept to me.
I, not meaning to minimize this most serious subject, would have to say that on a personal level... the Boy Scout oath and laws pretty well sum up the way I believe all professing Christians should live and be....
On my honor I will do my best to do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law; to help other people at all times; to keep myself physically strong, mentally awake, and morally straight.
The Scout Law has 12 points. Each is a goal for every Scout. A Scout tries to live up to the Law every day. It is not always easy to do, but a Scout always tries.
A Scout is:
TRUSTWORTHY. Tell the truth and keep promises. People can depend on you.
LOYAL. Show that you care about your family, friends, Scout leaders, school, and country.
HELPFUL. Volunteer to help others without expecting a reward.
FRIENDLY. Be a friend to everyone, even people who are very different from you.
COURTEOUS. Be polite to everyone and always use good manners.
KIND. Treat others as you want to be treated . Never harm or kill any living thing without good reason.
OBEDIENT. Follow the rules of your family, school, and pack. Obey the laws of your community and country.
CHEERFUL. Look for the bright side of life. Cheerfully do tasks that come your way. Try to help others be happy.
THRIFTY. Work to pay your own way. Try not to be wasteful. Use time, food, supplies, and natural resources wisely.
BRAVE. Face difficult situations even when you feel afraid. Do what you think is right despite what others might be doing or saying.
CLEAN. Keep your body and mind fit . Help keep your home and community clean.
REVERENT. Be reverent toward God. Be faithful in your religious duties. Respect the beliefs of others.
I do not call these works. I call them having regard for your fellow human beings. They are not works. They are as we all should live, believers and non believers alike.
Concerning the .. " grace through faith salvation (eph 2:8) say that we "do nothing" to gain salvation"... Of which I am ... correction was... now I am probably a heathen... do believe that the only requirement is unwavering belief that the man Jesus died for us.
It is not a requirement that we each must perform church ordered "works" in order for our salvation to be complete.
And It is not a requirement... to be immersed baptized after accepting and knowing what Jesus did for us. If it is an absolute requirement, then that in and of itself makes it a work. And we are cautioned in
Ephesians 2: 8-9 (KJV)
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works,
lest any man should boast.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. I did not say that was wrong..... To be baptised for a clean conscience after accepting is wonderful and uplifting and yes
Jesus did say to do that after belief... Mark 16:16... BUT not needed to be saved. (Mark 16: 17 and 18 explain the reason, and if you do not want the
Holy Spirit does not count against you.)
DO NOT ... DO NOT TURN THIS INTO A BAPTISM REPLY OR I WILL QUIT GRACE CENTERED...... IF YOU WANT ME GONE... NOW YOU KNOW HOW TO DO IT
That's my explanation in a nutshell