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And the government will be on his shoulders
« on: Wed Dec 23, 2015 - 15:23:30 »
A curious portion of a famous verse:

Isaiah 9:6
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

I wonder if it is related to this verse?

Isaiah 22:22
And the key of the house of David will I lay upon his shoulder; so he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open.

What does it mean?  Your thoughts.
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Re: And the government will be on his shoulders
« Reply #1 on: Thu Dec 24, 2015 - 04:01:42 »
does this help you?

Isaiah 9.6 is followed by -

Isaiah 9:7

"Of the increase of his government and of peace there will be no end, on the throne of David and over his kingdom, to establish it and to uphold it with justice and with righteousness from this time forth and forevermore. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will do this."

from what I find - the Hebrew word for government used here is misrah  which means  rule or  dominion.

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Re: And the government will be on his shoulders
« Reply #2 on: Thu Dec 24, 2015 - 05:40:11 »
Isaiah 9:6...For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. I wonder if it is related to this verse? Isaiah 22:22...And the key of the house of David will I lay upon his shoulder; so he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open. What does it mean?  Your thoughts.
In the spiritual sense, Christ is said to have this key:
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Revelation 3:7....Reads~"And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;"
Key of the house of David, speaks of the absolute authority of Jesus Christ over all which is expressive of the government of the church being on his shoulders, and of his absolute and uncontrollable power over it and of all things; who opens the treasures of his word, of his grace, and of wisdom and knowledge, and communicates them unto his own, and shuts or hides them from, whom he pleases. He that hath the key of David~mention is made of David, because he was a type of Christ; and because from him Christ came according to the flesh, and whose throne he was to sit upon, in a spiritual sense; and because, in this period of time, the Jews (the TRUE Jew~spiritual) are to be converted, who will seek the Lord their God, and David their king: and by the key of David is meant the key of the house of David; that is, the church of Christ, of which David's house and family were a type: and this key is the key of knowledge, and Christ's total of power and authority over all. See Matthew 9:6; Mark 2:10; 9:1; Luke 4:14, 32,36; John 5:19-23; etc. Christ has the key of knowledge, he knows all the persons of his people, all their affairs, and what they do in his house, and how they behave there: he has the key of knowledge in the Scriptures, and gives it to his elect. And it may also design his authority in his house and church, in fixing the ordinances of it; which no man has the right to add or take away; and in bestowing gifts on men~(Ephesians chapter four)..... and in dispensing the blessings of grace and his goodness; this may have some regard to the pure discipline of this church, as well as to its light and knowledge in the doctrines of the Gospel. But mainly to this: He that openeth, and no man shutteth, and shutteth, and no man openeth; Jesus through the Spirit of the Godhead opens the Scriptures, which are shut to a natural man, as he did in his own personal ministry, when here on earth, and now by his Spirit; and none can shut them, either men or devils, or hinder the spread of light and knowledge by them: he opens the door of the Gospel, and gives an opportunity to preach it, and liberty of mind and expression to his ministers, and a door of utterance to them, and of entrance for it into the hearts of men, which none can shut, or hinder: he opens the door of the church, which is himself, and lets in his sheep into the sheepfold, into a Gospel church state, and the ordinances of it; and he opens the door of heaven by his blood and righteousness, and gives his people liberty and boldness to enter into the holiest of all, and brings many sons to glory in spite of all the opposition of men and devils: on the other hand, when he pleases, he shuts up the Scriptures, and the eyes of men from seeing what is in them; he shuts up the door of the Gospel, and forbids the preaching of it in this and that place; and the door of heaven will be shut by him at the last day, when all called to the marriage of the Lamb are entered, and there will be no opening. This shows the sovereignty, power, and authority of Christ, and which he can and will excise in due time. 
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Re: And the government will be on his shoulders
« Reply #3 on: Thu Dec 24, 2015 - 06:43:06 »
Isaiah 9:6...For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. I wonder if it is related to this verse? Isaiah 22:22...And the key of the house of David will I lay upon his shoulder; so he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open. What does it mean?  Your thoughts.
In the spiritual sense, Christ is said to have this key:
Quote
Revelation 3:7....Reads~"And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;"
Key of the house of David, speaks of the absolute authority of Jesus Christ over all which is expressive of the government of the church being on his shoulders, and of his absolute and uncontrollable power over it and of all things; who opens the treasures of his word, of his grace, and of wisdom and knowledge, and communicates them unto his own, and shuts or hides them from, whom he pleases. He that hath the key of David~mention is made of David, because he was a type of Christ; and because from him Christ came according to the flesh, and whose throne he was to sit upon, in a spiritual sense; and because, in this period of time, the Jews (the TRUE Jew~spiritual) are to be converted, who will seek the Lord their God, and David their king: and by the key of David is meant the key of the house of David; that is, the church of Christ, of which David's house and family were a type: and this key is the key of knowledge, and Christ's total of power and authority over all. See Matthew 9:6; Mark 2:10; 9:1; Luke 4:14, 32,36; John 5:19-23; etc. Christ has the key of knowledge, he knows all the persons of his people, all their affairs, and what they do in his house, and how they behave there: he has the key of knowledge in the Scriptures, and gives it to his elect. And it may also design his authority in his house and church, in fixing the ordinances of it; which no man has the right to add or take away; and in bestowing gifts on men~(Ephesians chapter four)..... and in dispensing the blessings of grace and his goodness goodness; this may have some regard to the pure discipline of this church, as well as to its light and knowledge in the doctrines of the Gospel. But mainly to this: He that openeth, and no man shutteth, and shutteth, and no man openeth; Jesus through the Spirit of the Godhead opens the Scriptures, which are shut to a natural man, as he did in his own personal ministry, when here on earth, and now by his Spirit; and none can shut them, either men or devils, or hinder the spread of light and knowledge by them: he opens the door of the Gospel, and gives an opportunity to preach it, and liberty of mind and expression to his ministers, and a door of utterance to them, and of entrance for it into the hearts of men, which none can shut, or hinder: he opens the door of the church, which is himself, and lets in his sheep into the sheepfold, into a Gospel church state, and the ordinances of it; and he opens the door of heaven by his blood and righteousness, and gives his people liberty and boldness to enter into the holiest of all, and brings many sons to glory in spite of all the opposition of men and devils: on the other hand, when he pleases, he shuts up the Scriptures, and the eyes of men from seeing what is in them; he shuts up the door of the Gospel, and forbids the preaching of it in this and that place; and the door of heaven will be shut by him at the last day, when all called to the marriage of the Lamb are entered, and there will be no opening. This shows the sovereignty, power, and authority of Christ, and which he can and will excise in due time.
and from what is going on in the world today, it looks like that door could shut some time in the near future.

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Re: And the government will be on his shoulders
« Reply #4 on: Thu Dec 24, 2015 - 07:23:22 »
and from what is going on in the world today, it looks like that door could shut some time in the near future.
Agreed

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Re: And the government will be on his shoulders
« Reply #5 on: Thu Dec 24, 2015 - 08:04:05 »
and from what is going on in the world today, it looks like that door could shut some time in the near future.
Agreed

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