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Re: Ask A Catholic III
« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2011, 01:50:14 PM »
I dug this up from an old thread. Victor08 posted it.

For your consideration.

http://www.eureka4you.com/fish/fishsymbol.htm

The History of the Christian Fish Symbol

The fish's first known use as a Christian religious symbol was sometime within the first three centuries AD. Christians began using the Greek word for "fish" as an anagram/acronym for "Jesus Christ God's Son, Savior." More about this later.

The fish outline is a logical symbol for the early Christian church to adopt. Not only was fish a common food of the day, it was also used by Jesus during His ministry.

A 'fishy' tale?
In the years following the ascension of the resurrected Jesus to heaven, the Christian church grew rapidly.
Christians soon found themselves to be the subjects of persecution by both the Romans and the Jews.
In many locales, it became dangerous to be known as a Christian.
Thus, when two strangers met and thought maybe they were fellow believers, one of them would draw, on the ground, the upper half of the fish symbol.

 

Recognizing the symbol, the stranger would add a second curved line and complete the drawing of a fish.
 


It is a very simple shape to draw - just two curved strokes. It could be drawn quickly, and erased just as quickly if there was no sign of recognition on the part of the stranger.


The 'Greek' connection, #1

We do not know whether the story above is true but we do know that the fish's first known use as a Christian religious symbol was sometime within the first three centuries AD. Possibly around the 16th century Christians began using the Greek word ichthys for "fish". Ichthys is the most commonly used word in the New Testament for fish.

Ichthys consists of five letters from the Greek alphabet: I-ch-th-y-s. When these five letters are used as initials for five words, we obtain this Christian Declaration: Iesous Christos Theou Yios Soter. This is an acrostic for 'Jesus Christ, God's Son, Savior.'

IXQUS ----- Ichthys ----- Jesus Christ, God's Son, Savior


I   Iota           the first letter in the Greek word Iesous           Jesus
X   Chi           the first letter in the Greek word Christos           Christ
Q   Theta   the first letter in the Greek word Theos            Of God
U   Upsilon   the first letter in the Greek word Yios (Huois)    Son
S   Sigma   the first letter in the Greek word Soter            Savior

Greek meaning                   Iesous   Christos   Theos   Yios        Soter
English transliteration ...    Jesus   Christ   Of God   Son        Savior
"For they needs must seek some support,  since they have fallen from the foundation of the Apostles and have no settled mind of their own, and if they can find none, then they malign the fathers. But no one will believe them any more even if they make efforts to libel them, for their heresy is condemned on all hands." St. Athanasius of Alexandria

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Re: Ask A Catholic III
« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2011, 01:50:14 PM »

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Re: Ask A Catholic III
« Reply #16 on: November 14, 2011, 08:57:15 AM »
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Also I noticed that the popes mitre hat is something else
your church took from another religion and that is the priest
of atargatis, which btw is where the sci-fi show stargate Atlantis
took it's evil connected name from
LH - mind if I reply to this one (even tho I am not catholic?)

The mitre was taken from US and not the other way around. These are GOD's words:

Exodus 28:4 And these are the garments which they shall make; a breastplate, and an ephod, and a robe, and a broidered coat, a mitre, and a girdle: and they shall make holy garments for Aaron thy brother, and his sons, that he may minister unto me in the priest's office.
 
Exodus 28:37 And thou shalt put it on a blue lace, that it may be upon the mitre; upon the forefront of the mitre it shall be.
 
Exodus 28:39 And thou shalt embroider the coat of fine linen, and thou shalt make the mitre of fine linen, and thou shalt make the girdle of needlework.

Exodus 29:6 And thou shalt put the mitre upon his head, and put the holy crown upon the mitre.
 
Exodus 39:28 And a mitre of fine linen, and goodly bonnets of fine linen, and linen breeches of fine twined linen,

Other 'religions' took the mitre from ancient Judaism - which God established.

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Re: Ask A Catholic III
« Reply #16 on: November 14, 2011, 08:57:15 AM »

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Re: Ask A Catholic III
« Reply #17 on: November 14, 2011, 09:13:36 AM »
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atargatis was the fish religion because the fish survived the FLood
of noahs time and the devil wanted to make something of that fact.
Again I also have an answer:

Recently in the Golan area of Northern Israel/Syria (north of Gallilee) an ancient synagogue was unearthed (much to the chagrin of the Syrians) but when the excavation was complete they found this symbol which was first seen in Jerusalem in 1999 and now has surfaced again in another Messianic Synagogue dated similar to the Jerusalem find. (late first century to early 2nd century)

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Re: Ask A Catholic III
« Reply #18 on: November 14, 2011, 10:05:38 AM »
Thanks for your responses DaveW. I enjoyed reading the Jewish connections you made.
"For they needs must seek some support,  since they have fallen from the foundation of the Apostles and have no settled mind of their own, and if they can find none, then they malign the fathers. But no one will believe them any more even if they make efforts to libel them, for their heresy is condemned on all hands." St. Athanasius of Alexandria

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Re: Ask A Catholic III
« Reply #19 on: November 21, 2011, 12:46:41 AM »
Do catholics pray the rosary everyday?

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Re: Ask A Catholic III
« Reply #20 on: November 21, 2011, 01:21:55 AM »
Do catholics pray the rosary everyday?



Some of us may. I personally do not. I pray the rosary a few times a week when I'm prepping for a deep study.
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Re: Ask A Catholic III
« Reply #21 on: November 21, 2011, 01:27:12 AM »
Do catholics believe that demons are scared of crucifixes or is that just in the movies?
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Re: Ask A Catholic III
« Reply #22 on: November 21, 2011, 03:04:22 AM »
Do catholics believe that demons are scared of crucifixes or is that just in the movies?

That's Hollywood entertainment stuff.

Its not that demons are afraid of crucifixes so much as it is the crucifix is blessed or made holy by God. Such then becomes a weapon when prompted before a manifestation of evil. An example of this would be when Jesus Christ healed the blind man. He used mud from the earth that He had blessed and the man could see. Demons are afraid of God's power which can be used against the in many ways. Take St. Paul's miracle causing handkerchief and throw it on a demon and see how quickly it is expelled.lol

"For they needs must seek some support,  since they have fallen from the foundation of the Apostles and have no settled mind of their own, and if they can find none, then they malign the fathers. But no one will believe them any more even if they make efforts to libel them, for their heresy is condemned on all hands." St. Athanasius of Alexandria

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Re: Ask A Catholic III
« Reply #23 on: November 24, 2011, 02:55:55 PM »
Do catholics pray the rosary everyday?



I also don't pray the Rosary everyday.  But I do pray the "Liturgy of the Hours" everyday.  I always say the Morning and Evening prayers. 

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Re: Ask A Catholic III
« Reply #24 on: November 24, 2011, 05:18:03 PM »

I have a few questions if that is alright...

Why does the Roman Catholic Church say that a saint is a special person who has been dead for many years and has been voted to become a saint when the Bible states every Christian is a saint while they live?

Romans 1:7:To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

1 Corinthians 1:2:Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their's and our's:  

Hello Christian1483,  a "Saint" is defined as a "holy person" who leads a life in union with God through the grace of Christ and receives the reward of eternal life.  The Church is called the "communion of saints, of the holy ones."  It is through this communion that we are also saints.  According to the Catholic Encyclopedia, "The communion of saints is the spiritual solidarity which binds together the faithful on earth, the souls in purgatory, and the saints in heaven in the organic unity of the same mystical body under Christ its head, and in a constant interchange of supernatural offices. The participants in that solidarity are called saints by reason of their destination and of their partaking of the fruits of the Redemption (1 Corinthians 1:2).  

According to the Catechism of the Catholic Church 828:  By canonizing some of the faithful, i.e., by solemnly proclaiming that they practiced heoric virture and lived in fidelity to God's grace, the Church recognizes the power of the Spirit of holiness within her and sustains the hope of believers by proposing the saints to them as models and intercessors.......

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Why do Catholics have to call the priests ''father''?

Matthew 23:9:And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.  

This biblical verse is often taken out of context.  In Matthew 23, it also says not to call anyone "teacher" because you only have one teacher (Christ), and not to call anyone "master" because you only have one master.  When read in full context of scripture, Jesus is actually saying not to use those titles in pride as the Pharisees as done.  In other words, it is okay to call a person on earth "father" and even "teacher" just as the Apostles did including Jesus Himself.  See the following Scriptures:  

1 John 2:13  I write to you, fathers, Because you have known Him who is from the beginning. I write to you, young men, Because you have overcome the wicked one. I write to you, little children, Because you have known the Father.

1 John 2:14  I have written to you, fathers, Because you have known Him who is from the beginning. I have written to you, young men, Because you are strong, and the word of God abides in you, And you have overcome the wicked one.

1 Peter 1:18  knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, like silver or gold, from your aimless conduct received by tradition from your fathers,

James 2:21  Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar?

I have absolute certainty that St. Paul was not violating the Lord's command but rather obeying it and that I can safely repeat after him when he calls Abraham “our father
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Re: Ask A Catholic III
« Reply #25 on: November 24, 2011, 09:20:14 PM »
According to the Catechism of the Catholic Church 828:  By canonizing some of the faithful, i.e., by solemnly proclaiming that they practiced heoric virture and lived in fidelity to God's grace, the Church recognizes the power of the Spirit of holiness within her and sustains the hope of believers by proposing the saints to them as models and intercessors.......

Where is it in the Bible that some ''Saints'' need to be singled/chosen  as  been ''special''?
Christians on earth are saints so how is it Biblical that some saints need to be chosen and canonized?  

In the Bible, Jesus had many disciples.  Out of the many disciples, only 12 were chosen.  And we called those Apostles "saints" with the exception of Judas Iscariot.  We are all called to be "holy saints".....to be like Christ. "Many are called, but few are chosen" (See Matthew 22:14).  Although the Catholic Church recognized Judas Iscariot as an Apostle chosen by Christ, the Church do not refer to him as a"holy saint" because as you know, he committed sucide.  Suicide is not considered holy nor a virtueous act.  

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the Catechism of the Catholic Church is NOT the Bible....

I never said that it was.  


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And about the rosary,is that even in the Bible?
Where does it state that people/Christians need to ''count'' their prayers?(Matthew 6:5-7)

The rosary is the entire story of Jesus and Mary, so yes, it is in the Bible, and it is also in our tradition.  Also, we don't count our prayers.  Praying the rosary is "fervent" prayer.  Jesus also pray over and over the same words, but He prayed with fervent.  We are to do the same...to be fervent in spirit in all things especially in prayer. 

Matthew 26:44   And leaving them, he went again: and he prayed the third time, saying the selfsame word.


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Does the Roman Catholic Church say Peter was the first pope?

The Roman Catholic Church says that St. Peter was the first Bishop of Rome.  The word "Pope" is a Latin word meaning "father."  All the successors of the Apostle Peter are the Bishops of Rome and thus called "Pope" meaning "father."  
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Re: Ask A Catholic III
« Reply #26 on: November 24, 2011, 10:01:47 PM »
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The Roman Catholic Church says that St. Peter was the first Bishop of Rome.  The word "Pope" is a Latin word meaning "father."  All the successors of the Apostle Peter are the Bishops of Rome and thus called "Pope" meaning "father

And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and He is in heaven.
Matthew 23:9
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« Reply #27 on: November 24, 2011, 10:14:35 PM »

So,you only recognize the Apostles as selected saints above Christian saints who live on earth?

No, there are many saints.  There is St. Francis of Assisi, St. Theresa of Avila, St. Damian, St. Agustine, St. Jerome, and many more.  All the Christians who were martyred in the arenas of Rome are recognized as saints.  The children who were murdered by King Herod are saints.  Unborn babies who were aborted are also recognized as saints.  

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In regards to the rosary...

Matthew 6:5-7:5And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

 6But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

 7But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.  

The rosary is not done in vain repetitions.  It is done fervently in spirit just as Jesus did when He prayed over and over using the same words (See Matthew 26:44).  

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What do you mean ''The rosary is the entire story of Jesus and Mary''?

The rosary consist of four mysteries, which contain the life of Christ and Mary.  For example, the Joyful mystery is prayed on Mondays and Saturdays and it includes the following:

1.  The Annunciation of the Angel to Mary.
2.  The Visitation of Mary to St. Elizabeth.
3.  The Nativity of Jesus in Bethlehem.
4.  The Presentation of Jesus to the temple.
5.  The Finding of Jesus in the temple.  

The sorrowful mysteries are prayed on Tuesdays and Fridays and they consist of:

1.  The Agony of Jesus in the garden.
2.   The Scourging of Jesus at the pillar.
3.  The crowning with thorns.
4.  The carrying of the cross.
5.  The crucifixtion and death of Jesus.  

I think you get the picture.  Each mystery tells the story from the Bible.  The rosary was given to St. Dominic and using these prayers he was able to NOT only convert the pagans into Christianity, but even teach the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ to those pagans just by using the rosary.   

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So,Peter was the first leader of the Catholic Church?The first pope?

So,Peter was first in rank and authority above the other Apostles?

Jesus Christ is the Head of the Roman Catholic Church.  He is our Head and leader.  The Roman Catholic Church was founded and built by Christ through the Apostle Peter.  And it was Christ, (our Head) who made St. Peter the leader and prince of all the Apostles.  
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Re: Ask A Catholic III
« Reply #28 on: November 24, 2011, 10:18:13 PM »


And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and He is in heaven.
Matthew 23:9

I already explained this in my post #25, so I will repeat what I stated:  

This biblical verse is often taken out of context.  In Matthew 23, it also says not to call anyone "teacher" because you only have one teacher (Christ), and not to call anyone "master" because you only have one master.  When read in full context of scripture, Jesus is actually saying not to use those titles in pride as the Pharisees as done.  In other words, it is okay to call a person on earth "father" and even "teacher" just as the Apostles did including Jesus Himself.  See the following Scriptures:  

1 John 2:13  I write to you, fathers, Because you have known Him who is from the beginning. I write to you, young men, Because you have overcome the wicked one. I write to you, little children, Because you have known the Father.

1 John 2:14  I have written to you, fathers, Because you have known Him who is from the beginning. I have written to you, young men, Because you are strong, and the word of God abides in you, And you have overcome the wicked one.

1 Peter 1:18  knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, like silver or gold, from your aimless conduct received by tradition from your fathers,

James 2:21  Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar?

I have absolute certainty that St. Paul was not violating the Lord's command but rather obeying it and that I can safely repeat after him when he calls Abraham “our father
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Re: Ask A Catholic III
« Reply #29 on: November 24, 2011, 11:11:40 PM »
I was reading an article on the internet and I found this passage:

Notice that it also says here not to call anyone “teacher,
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