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Ask A Catholic III
« on: Tue Oct 04, 2011 - 12:51:30 »
While I was going through the older threads in the Catholic Forum, I found two threads entitled like this one. I really enjoyed the entire flow of the thread and thought maybe doing another one like it we could at ease the animus that's been going on.

Ok so here we go.

I'm LightHammer and one of my passions is for there to be better understanding between Christians in regards to our diverse beliefs. In the spirit of understanding I am opening this thread as a place where any and all Christians can ask questions about Catholicism.

Please note that this is not a debating thread and as such please refrain from trying to spark any. You have the entire Catholic Forum and the recently created Debate Forum to do that. Basically if you don't want to understand Catholicism don't get involved.

Also please note that I am a simple laymen in my parish. While I believe I am well versed in my faith I know that I don't have all the answers. So I really want the others to get involved.


So God bless you and feel free to ask whatever questions come to mind.

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« Reply #1 on: Fri Oct 14, 2011 - 20:54:32 »
OK, you are on. I am looking for an answer, I won't argue with you.
I read a little bit of the latest thread on contraception but it quickly got argumentative. I take it that from the Catholic POV sex is only for purposes of procreation. Where does this leave sex with a post-menopausal woman? We have all read stories about 80 year old women being surprised by a pregnancy but that is a one in a million thing. In most cases old age sex is for fun not making babies so is it allowed?



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Re: Ask A Catholic III
« Reply #2 on: Sat Oct 15, 2011 - 07:29:09 »
OK, you are on. I am looking for an answer, I won't argue with you.
I read a little bit of the latest thread on contraception but it quickly got argumentative. I take it that from the Catholic POV sex is only for purposes of procreation. Where does this leave sex with a post-menopausal woman? We have all read stories about 80 year old women being surprised by a pregnancy but that is a one in a million thing. In most cases old age sex is for fun not making babies so is it allowed?




Hey Snargles,

Sorry it took me so long to respond. This computer on base only allows me on the site at certain times.

Thanks for your question. The primary issue with your question is that it is based on a faulty premise. The Magesterium of Catholic Church does not teach that sex is only for procreation and thus your question is rendered moot.

Sex is believed as the intimate kiss of true love between man and woman. A sacred act that God established for us as a means to give ourselves to our spouses completely. Sex for pleasure is nothing to be prohibited among two who are matrimonially united.

The issue we have is when people deviate from the design of true love's kiss. We take issue when people compromise the natural purpose of sex, i.e. premarital sex, homsexual sex, contraception and the especially abominal act of abortion.

In the following I have a quote that may explain this in a way I can not.

CCC 2352  ......."The deliberate use of the sexual faculty, for whatever reason, outside of marriage is essentially contrary to its purpose." For here sexual pleasure is sought outside of "the sexual relationship which is demanded by the moral order and in which the total meaning of mutual self-giving and human procreation in the context of true love is achieved."

So as you see sex is totally taught and revered by the Church as the expreesion of true love for those who are married. Just as much as it is considered wrong to seperate the natural flow of procreation from sex it would be just as wrong to separate pleasure and teach that sex is only for procreation.

This does not mean that every time a married couple has sex they have to do so with the inetnt to get pregnant. They simply have to give themselves to one another totally.
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Re: Ask A Catholic III
« Reply #3 on: Sat Oct 15, 2011 - 11:33:44 »
Thank you. I have relied too much on non-Catholic's explanation of Catholic beliefs.

We can have civil discources even though we each think the other side has perverted the word of God.

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Re: Ask A Catholic III
« Reply #4 on: Sat Oct 15, 2011 - 11:37:40 »
Thank you. I have relied too much on non-Catholic's explanation of Catholic beliefs.

We can have civil discources even though we each think the other side has perverted the word of God.


I am glad I could help.

God Bless You.

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Re: Ask A Catholic III
« Reply #5 on: Tue Oct 18, 2011 - 09:06:56 »
Aww, what nostalgia! I enjoyed the Ask A Catholic threads way back when.  ::nodding::

Hi there Snargles!

That's a great question, one way to understand the Catholic teaching is to understand that we believe the marital act must be "ordered towards" procreation. That doesn't mean procreation needs to happen every time, or that people need to be *trying* to procreate every time, or that people who can't procreate can't have relations. It just means that nothing artificial should be happening to frustrate the completion of the marital act, there should be no barriers between spouses, we should be giving all of ourselves to each other and holding nothing back purposely, including our fertility. Another way to say that is we believe relations should happen in such a way that if the spouses were fertile, procreation would be possible. That being said, God naturally built in more fertile and less fertile (and infertile) times, both monthly, and in the course of our lives over time. It's fine to work with what God gave us, but we don't believe it's ok to artificially thwart the blessing of fertility. Thus, when natural infertility such as menopause arises, it's still all a part of God's plans, and marital relations are still an important part of bonding between spouses. :-)

So, as LightHammer rightly explained, sex is not "just" for making babies to Catholics as many seem to incorrectly understand, a common phrase in the Catholic NFP world is that sex is for "Babies and Bonding." ;-)

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Re: Ask A Catholic III
« Reply #6 on: Thu Oct 27, 2011 - 12:49:39 »
So how is that teaching squared with the ancient church fathers who said that marital sex was so abhorant to God that the Holy Spirit had to leave the house until they were done?

Sorry but I do not have a reference right here at hand. I think it was Jerome who said that.

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Re: Ask A Catholic III
« Reply #7 on: Thu Oct 27, 2011 - 13:10:30 »
So how is that teaching squared with the ancient church fathers who said that marital sex was so abhorant to God that the Holy Spirit had to leave the house until they were done?

Sorry but I do not have a reference right here at hand. I think it was Jerome who said that.

Hi DaveW,

I don't have the original text at hand either, but I have looked it up before, and the phrase is taken out of context.  It has never been Church teaching.

Even Church fathers were fallible.  The Catholic Church has, since it was able, always defined doctrine using the writings Church fathers and Scripture, and has done so with all of the bishops present in union with the pope.  So even Church fathers err, and some even went into apostasy, but we believe that the Church's teaching office does not err, because of promises from Jesus to guide His Church into all truth.

I can find the quote for you if you would like and do an analysis.

God Bless,

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« Reply #8 on: Thu Oct 27, 2011 - 13:23:28 »
It appears that it was not an ancient Church father but rather a rather prominent Medieval theologian Peter Lombard.  I am still looking for the quote, but this might be of interest, from the Catechism:

III. THE LOVE OF HUSBAND AND WIFE

2360 Sexuality is ordered to the conjugal love of man and woman. In marriage the physical intimacy of the spouses becomes a sign and pledge of spiritual communion. Marriage bonds between baptized persons are sanctified by the sacrament.

2361 "Sexuality, by means of which man and woman give themselves to one another through the acts which are proper and exclusive to spouses, is not something simply biological, but concerns the innermost being of the human person as such. It is realized in a truly human way only if it is an integral part of the love by which a man and woman commit themselves totally to one another until death."143

    Tobias got out of bed and said to Sarah, "Sister, get up, and let us pray and implore our Lord that he grant us mercy and safety." So she got up, and they began to pray and implore that they might be kept safe. Tobias began by saying, "Blessed are you, O God of our fathers. . . . You made Adam, and for him you made his wife Eve as a helper and support. From the two of them the race of mankind has sprung. You said, 'It is not good that the man should be alone; let us make a helper for him like himself.' I now am taking this kinswoman of mine, not because of lust, but with sincerity. Grant that she and I may find mercy and that we may grow old together." And they both said, "Amen, Amen." Then they went to sleep for the night.144

2362 "The acts in marriage by which the intimate and chaste union of the spouses takes place are noble and honorable; the truly human performance of these acts fosters the self-giving they signify and enriches the spouses in joy and gratitude."145 Sexuality is a source of joy and pleasure:

    The Creator himself . . . established that in the [generative] function, spouses should experience pleasure and enjoyment of body and spirit. Therefore, the spouses do nothing evil in seeking this pleasure and enjoyment. They accept what the Creator has intended for them. At the same time, spouses should know how to keep themselves within the limits of just moderation.146

2363 The spouses' union achieves the twofold end of marriage: the good of the spouses themselves and the transmission of life. These two meanings or values of marriage cannot be separated without altering the couple's spiritual life and compromising the goods of marriage and the future of the family.

The conjugal love of man and woman thus stands under the twofold obligation of fidelity and fecundity.

143 FC 11.
144 Tob 8:4-9.
145 GS 49 § 2.
146 Pius XII, Discourse, October 29, 1951.

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Re: Ask A Catholic III
« Reply #9 on: Thu Oct 27, 2011 - 13:48:56 »
Yes I would like that. 

I have read some awefully negative things about marriage from Jerome, Origen, Augustine, and others. 

Things like:

"Marriage is sin"
"Marriage is prostitution"
"Marriage is fornication"
"The only reason God allows sex is to create more virgins for the Church."

And this one from St. Ambrose:  "Marriage was a crime against God."

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« Reply #10 on: Thu Oct 27, 2011 - 14:02:13 »
Yes I would like that. 

I have read some awefully negative things about marriage from Jerome, Origen, Augustine, and others. 

Things like:

"Marriage is sin"
"Marriage is prostitution"
"Marriage is fornication"
"The only reason God allows sex is to create more virgins for the Church."

And this one from St. Ambrose:  "Marriage was a crime against God."

I am familiar with the works of St. Ambrose but I'm familiar with this quote.

Could you cite its source document?

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« Reply #11 on: Sat Oct 29, 2011 - 05:29:03 »
Greetings , Little Brother .

I put the words of the quote "Marriage is a crime against God" on Google and came up with a website called "Early Church Against Marriage" . I clicked on to it and found a very , very long article . I didn't go to the trouble of reading it all , but it did contain the quotes mentioned on this thread . I found the article somewhat weird .

In it there is a Vatican coin of 1963 named FIDES . The article says of it , " Interestingly the goddess Juno made an appearance on a Vatican coin in 1963 (notice the torch) during the period of the alleged Freemason Roncalli's Pontificate , the curiously named John XXIII , architect of the disastrous Vatican II . "

Looking at the coin it is clear that the lady is a symbol of Faith , holding a cross in one hand and a chalice surmounted by a host in the other . The host has lines representing streams of light shining from it . It is no torch .

As for the alleged Freemason Roncalli , to me he is Good Pope John , Blessed John XXIII . And what is curious about the then Cardinal Roncalli choosing John as his papal name ?

As for the Second Vatican Council being "disastrous" , well we've all heard that before and we know from where.

Any non-RC  such as DaveW reading this sort of stuff is not going to be left with a good image of the Catholic Church .

                                                  Bless you  LH .
                                                                       

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« Reply #12 on: Mon Oct 31, 2011 - 11:39:39 »
Some years ago I read thru a bunch of Early Church fathers material dealing with marriage and sex.

I was surprised at how negative much of it was from certain of the fathers (not all of them).  I know enough of the current RCC to know it is nowhere near that bad now, but some of the points I disagree with I can see as coming from the writings I read.

IMO most old line protestant groups are not much better but for different reasons. Their reason is Victorianism.

Unfortunately I do not have that compilation any more and it would take a LOT of time I do not now have to restore it.

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« Reply #13 on: Tue Nov 01, 2011 - 14:21:31 »
I have a question

when I type in Isis with baby Horus which is part of the
Egyptian trinity I also see that Mary with baby Jesus is the exact
same thing?   It looks as if your church only changed the names
which can't be done, what it is it is. 

Also I noticed that the popes mitre hat is something else
your church took from another religion and that is the priest
of atargatis, which btw is where the sci-fi show stargate Atlantis
took it's evil connected name from

atargatis was the fish religion because the fish survived the FLood
of noahs time and the devil wanted to make something of that fact.

I won't argue with you but I ask direct questions for which I seek not an answer
as to why but your answer as a catholic about something Im sure you
did not know.

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Re: Ask A Catholic III
« Reply #14 on: Tue Nov 01, 2011 - 14:48:58 »
Hey KNOWLEDGEBOMB,

Welcome to Grace Centered Forums. I have a feeling we'll be seeing a lot of you around these parts.

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when I type in Isis with baby Horus which is part of the
Egyptian trinity I also see that Mary with baby Jesus is the exact
same thing?   It looks as if your church only changed the names
which can't be done, what it is it is.

I fail to see the question here? As you know there are thousands of different pieces of Mother Mary and baby Jesus. Many of them are autonomous from one another. They have several different artists who made them and artistic styles they were patterned after.

With this in mind it is impossible for me to isolate which particular piece you are attempting to connect to the Egyptian Isis and Horus.

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Also I noticed that the popes mitre hat is something else
your church took from another religion and that is the priest
of atargatis, which btw is where the sci-fi show stargate Atlantis
took it's evil connected name from

atargatis was the fish religion because the fish survived the FLood
of noahs time and the devil wanted to make something of that fact.

Again I fail to see where you have asked a question. You seem to have studied paganism or at least the correlations between the symbolism of my Church and it. When I was 15, my mentor was an SDA. As such I was familiarized with paganism solely to further understand how the Catholic Church had taken in some of its tenets.

However that was quickly shown to be folly. Nearly every pagan religion has a flood story, so any expression the Catholic Church makes in regards to the flood story can be twisted as borrowed from some pagan tradition. Every pagan religion uses animals in its allegory in some form or another, so any use the Catholic Church makes for the fish symbol can be accused of as borrowed from paganism.

In regards to fish symbol I can show you how the Catholic Church used it in from the 1st century to the late 4th century but it won't do any good if you hold it as pagan.

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Re: Ask A Catholic III
« Reply #15 on: Tue Nov 01, 2011 - 14:50:14 »
I dug this up from an old thread. Victor08 posted it.

For your consideration.

http://www.eureka4you.com/fish/fishsymbol.htm

The History of the Christian Fish Symbol

The fish's first known use as a Christian religious symbol was sometime within the first three centuries AD. Christians began using the Greek word for "fish" as an anagram/acronym for "Jesus Christ God's Son, Savior." More about this later.

The fish outline is a logical symbol for the early Christian church to adopt. Not only was fish a common food of the day, it was also used by Jesus during His ministry.

A 'fishy' tale?
In the years following the ascension of the resurrected Jesus to heaven, the Christian church grew rapidly.
Christians soon found themselves to be the subjects of persecution by both the Romans and the Jews.
In many locales, it became dangerous to be known as a Christian.
Thus, when two strangers met and thought maybe they were fellow believers, one of them would draw, on the ground, the upper half of the fish symbol.

 

Recognizing the symbol, the stranger would add a second curved line and complete the drawing of a fish.
 


It is a very simple shape to draw - just two curved strokes. It could be drawn quickly, and erased just as quickly if there was no sign of recognition on the part of the stranger.


The 'Greek' connection, #1

We do not know whether the story above is true but we do know that the fish's first known use as a Christian religious symbol was sometime within the first three centuries AD. Possibly around the 16th century Christians began using the Greek word ichthys for "fish". Ichthys is the most commonly used word in the New Testament for fish.

Ichthys consists of five letters from the Greek alphabet: I-ch-th-y-s. When these five letters are used as initials for five words, we obtain this Christian Declaration: Iesous Christos Theou Yios Soter. This is an acrostic for 'Jesus Christ, God's Son, Savior.'

IXQUS ----- Ichthys ----- Jesus Christ, God's Son, Savior


I   Iota           the first letter in the Greek word Iesous           Jesus
X   Chi           the first letter in the Greek word Christos           Christ
Q   Theta   the first letter in the Greek word Theos            Of God
U   Upsilon   the first letter in the Greek word Yios (Huois)    Son
S   Sigma   the first letter in the Greek word Soter            Savior

Greek meaning                   Iesous   Christos   Theos   Yios        Soter
English transliteration ...    Jesus   Christ   Of God   Son        Savior

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Re: Ask A Catholic III
« Reply #16 on: Mon Nov 14, 2011 - 09:57:15 »
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Also I noticed that the popes mitre hat is something else
your church took from another religion and that is the priest
of atargatis, which btw is where the sci-fi show stargate Atlantis
took it's evil connected name from
LH - mind if I reply to this one (even tho I am not catholic?)

The mitre was taken from US and not the other way around. These are GOD's words:

Exodus 28:4 And these are the garments which they shall make; a breastplate, and an ephod, and a robe, and a broidered coat, a mitre, and a girdle: and they shall make holy garments for Aaron thy brother, and his sons, that he may minister unto me in the priest's office.
 
Exodus 28:37 And thou shalt put it on a blue lace, that it may be upon the mitre; upon the forefront of the mitre it shall be.
 
Exodus 28:39 And thou shalt embroider the coat of fine linen, and thou shalt make the mitre of fine linen, and thou shalt make the girdle of needlework.

Exodus 29:6 And thou shalt put the mitre upon his head, and put the holy crown upon the mitre.
 
Exodus 39:28 And a mitre of fine linen, and goodly bonnets of fine linen, and linen breeches of fine twined linen,

Other 'religions' took the mitre from ancient Judaism - which God established.

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« Reply #17 on: Mon Nov 14, 2011 - 10:13:36 »
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atargatis was the fish religion because the fish survived the FLood
of noahs time and the devil wanted to make something of that fact.
Again I also have an answer:

Recently in the Golan area of Northern Israel/Syria (north of Gallilee) an ancient synagogue was unearthed (much to the chagrin of the Syrians) but when the excavation was complete they found this symbol which was first seen in Jerusalem in 1999 and now has surfaced again in another Messianic Synagogue dated similar to the Jerusalem find. (late first century to early 2nd century)

h**p://www.threemacs.org/themes/jewish/answers.htm
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« Reply #18 on: Mon Nov 14, 2011 - 11:05:38 »
Thanks for your responses DaveW. I enjoyed reading the Jewish connections you made.

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« Reply #19 on: Mon Nov 21, 2011 - 01:46:41 »
Do catholics pray the rosary everyday?


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« Reply #20 on: Mon Nov 21, 2011 - 02:21:55 »
Do catholics pray the rosary everyday?



Some of us may. I personally do not. I pray the rosary a few times a week when I'm prepping for a deep study.

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« Reply #21 on: Mon Nov 21, 2011 - 02:27:12 »
Do catholics believe that demons are scared of crucifixes or is that just in the movies?

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« Reply #22 on: Mon Nov 21, 2011 - 04:04:22 »
Do catholics believe that demons are scared of crucifixes or is that just in the movies?

That's Hollywood entertainment stuff.

Its not that demons are afraid of crucifixes so much as it is the crucifix is blessed or made holy by God. Such then becomes a weapon when prompted before a manifestation of evil. An example of this would be when Jesus Christ healed the blind man. He used mud from the earth that He had blessed and the man could see. Demons are afraid of God's power which can be used against the in many ways. Take St. Paul's miracle causing handkerchief and throw it on a demon and see how quickly it is expelled.lol


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« Reply #23 on: Thu Nov 24, 2011 - 15:55:55 »
Do catholics pray the rosary everyday?



I also don't pray the Rosary everyday.  But I do pray the "Liturgy of the Hours" everyday.  I always say the Morning and Evening prayers. 

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« Reply #24 on: Thu Nov 24, 2011 - 18:18:03 »

I have a few questions if that is alright...

Why does the Roman Catholic Church say that a saint is a special person who has been dead for many years and has been voted to become a saint when the Bible states every Christian is a saint while they live?

Romans 1:7:To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

1 Corinthians 1:2:Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their's and our's:  

Hello Christian1483,  a "Saint" is defined as a "holy person" who leads a life in union with God through the grace of Christ and receives the reward of eternal life.  The Church is called the "communion of saints, of the holy ones."  It is through this communion that we are also saints.  According to the Catholic Encyclopedia, "The communion of saints is the spiritual solidarity which binds together the faithful on earth, the souls in purgatory, and the saints in heaven in the organic unity of the same mystical body under Christ its head, and in a constant interchange of supernatural offices. The participants in that solidarity are called saints by reason of their destination and of their partaking of the fruits of the Redemption (1 Corinthians 1:2).  

According to the Catechism of the Catholic Church 828:  By canonizing some of the faithful, i.e., by solemnly proclaiming that they practiced heoric virture and lived in fidelity to God's grace, the Church recognizes the power of the Spirit of holiness within her and sustains the hope of believers by proposing the saints to them as models and intercessors.......

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Why do Catholics have to call the priests ''father''?

Matthew 23:9:And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.  

This biblical verse is often taken out of context.  In Matthew 23, it also says not to call anyone "teacher" because you only have one teacher (Christ), and not to call anyone "master" because you only have one master.  When read in full context of scripture, Jesus is actually saying not to use those titles in pride as the Pharisees as done.  In other words, it is okay to call a person on earth "father" and even "teacher" just as the Apostles did including Jesus Himself.  See the following Scriptures:  

1 John 2:13  I write to you, fathers, Because you have known Him who is from the beginning. I write to you, young men, Because you have overcome the wicked one. I write to you, little children, Because you have known the Father.

1 John 2:14  I have written to you, fathers, Because you have known Him who is from the beginning. I have written to you, young men, Because you are strong, and the word of God abides in you, And you have overcome the wicked one.

1 Peter 1:18  knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, like silver or gold, from your aimless conduct received by tradition from your fathers,

James 2:21  Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar?

I have absolute certainty that St. Paul was not violating the Lord's command but rather obeying it and that I can safely repeat after him when he calls Abraham “our father
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Re: Ask A Catholic III
« Reply #25 on: Thu Nov 24, 2011 - 22:20:14 »
According to the Catechism of the Catholic Church 828:  By canonizing some of the faithful, i.e., by solemnly proclaiming that they practiced heoric virture and lived in fidelity to God's grace, the Church recognizes the power of the Spirit of holiness within her and sustains the hope of believers by proposing the saints to them as models and intercessors.......

Where is it in the Bible that some ''Saints'' need to be singled/chosen  as  been ''special''?
Christians on earth are saints so how is it Biblical that some saints need to be chosen and canonized?  

In the Bible, Jesus had many disciples.  Out of the many disciples, only 12 were chosen.  And we called those Apostles "saints" with the exception of Judas Iscariot.  We are all called to be "holy saints".....to be like Christ. "Many are called, but few are chosen" (See Matthew 22:14).  Although the Catholic Church recognized Judas Iscariot as an Apostle chosen by Christ, the Church do not refer to him as a"holy saint" because as you know, he committed sucide.  Suicide is not considered holy nor a virtueous act.  

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the Catechism of the Catholic Church is NOT the Bible....

I never said that it was.  


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And about the rosary,is that even in the Bible?
Where does it state that people/Christians need to ''count'' their prayers?(Matthew 6:5-7)

The rosary is the entire story of Jesus and Mary, so yes, it is in the Bible, and it is also in our tradition.  Also, we don't count our prayers.  Praying the rosary is "fervent" prayer.  Jesus also pray over and over the same words, but He prayed with fervent.  We are to do the same...to be fervent in spirit in all things especially in prayer. 

Matthew 26:44   And leaving them, he went again: and he prayed the third time, saying the selfsame word.


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Does the Roman Catholic Church say Peter was the first pope?

The Roman Catholic Church says that St. Peter was the first Bishop of Rome.  The word "Pope" is a Latin word meaning "father."  All the successors of the Apostle Peter are the Bishops of Rome and thus called "Pope" meaning "father."  
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« Reply #26 on: Thu Nov 24, 2011 - 23:01:47 »
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The Roman Catholic Church says that St. Peter was the first Bishop of Rome.  The word "Pope" is a Latin word meaning "father."  All the successors of the Apostle Peter are the Bishops of Rome and thus called "Pope" meaning "father

And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and He is in heaven.
Matthew 23:9

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« Reply #27 on: Thu Nov 24, 2011 - 23:14:35 »

So,you only recognize the Apostles as selected saints above Christian saints who live on earth?

No, there are many saints.  There is St. Francis of Assisi, St. Theresa of Avila, St. Damian, St. Agustine, St. Jerome, and many more.  All the Christians who were martyred in the arenas of Rome are recognized as saints.  The children who were murdered by King Herod are saints.  Unborn babies who were aborted are also recognized as saints.  

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In regards to the rosary...

Matthew 6:5-7:5And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

 6But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

 7But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.  

The rosary is not done in vain repetitions.  It is done fervently in spirit just as Jesus did when He prayed over and over using the same words (See Matthew 26:44).  

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What do you mean ''The rosary is the entire story of Jesus and Mary''?

The rosary consist of four mysteries, which contain the life of Christ and Mary.  For example, the Joyful mystery is prayed on Mondays and Saturdays and it includes the following:

1.  The Annunciation of the Angel to Mary.
2.  The Visitation of Mary to St. Elizabeth.
3.  The Nativity of Jesus in Bethlehem.
4.  The Presentation of Jesus to the temple.
5.  The Finding of Jesus in the temple.  

The sorrowful mysteries are prayed on Tuesdays and Fridays and they consist of:

1.  The Agony of Jesus in the garden.
2.   The Scourging of Jesus at the pillar.
3.  The crowning with thorns.
4.  The carrying of the cross.
5.  The crucifixtion and death of Jesus.  

I think you get the picture.  Each mystery tells the story from the Bible.  The rosary was given to St. Dominic and using these prayers he was able to NOT only convert the pagans into Christianity, but even teach the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ to those pagans just by using the rosary.   

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So,Peter was the first leader of the Catholic Church?The first pope?

So,Peter was first in rank and authority above the other Apostles?

Jesus Christ is the Head of the Roman Catholic Church.  He is our Head and leader.  The Roman Catholic Church was founded and built by Christ through the Apostle Peter.  And it was Christ, (our Head) who made St. Peter the leader and prince of all the Apostles.  
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« Reply #28 on: Thu Nov 24, 2011 - 23:18:13 »


And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and He is in heaven.
Matthew 23:9

I already explained this in my post #25, so I will repeat what I stated:  

This biblical verse is often taken out of context.  In Matthew 23, it also says not to call anyone "teacher" because you only have one teacher (Christ), and not to call anyone "master" because you only have one master.  When read in full context of scripture, Jesus is actually saying not to use those titles in pride as the Pharisees as done.  In other words, it is okay to call a person on earth "father" and even "teacher" just as the Apostles did including Jesus Himself.  See the following Scriptures:  

1 John 2:13  I write to you, fathers, Because you have known Him who is from the beginning. I write to you, young men, Because you have overcome the wicked one. I write to you, little children, Because you have known the Father.

1 John 2:14  I have written to you, fathers, Because you have known Him who is from the beginning. I have written to you, young men, Because you are strong, and the word of God abides in you, And you have overcome the wicked one.

1 Peter 1:18  knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, like silver or gold, from your aimless conduct received by tradition from your fathers,

James 2:21  Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar?

I have absolute certainty that St. Paul was not violating the Lord's command but rather obeying it and that I can safely repeat after him when he calls Abraham “our father
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« Reply #29 on: Fri Nov 25, 2011 - 00:11:40 »
I was reading an article on the internet and I found this passage:

Notice that it also says here not to call anyone “teacher,

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« Reply #30 on: Fri Nov 25, 2011 - 00:18:17 »
I was reading an article on the internet and I found this passage:

Notice that it also says here not to call anyone “teacher,

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« Reply #31 on: Fri Nov 25, 2011 - 16:06:11 »

So are you saying there are saints that are even more special than Christian saints while they live?

I think that every saint is special, but of course, there are some whom we consider heros because of their virtues and because they walk like Christ.  In the same way, you also have some special heros you honor like Abraham Lincoln who freed the slaves and Martin Luther King Jr. who fought against segregation.  Such people are honored in your country as special heros.  In fact, you even have Martin Luther King Jr. Day and Presidents Day to honor your Presidents in the U.S.  It is the same with our saints.  We also have a day set aside for them.  For example, on November 17, we commemorate that day for St. Elizabeth of Hungary who devoted herself to caring for the poor, the sick, and the elderly.    

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Since when did Jesus Christ make Peter ''prince of the Apostles'' or leader?

It was when Christ gave him the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven (See Matthew 16:18-19).  The keys symbolized "authority."  It was ONLY to St. Peter whom Christ gave the keys to and it was ONLY St. Peter whom Christ told to take care of His entire flock (See John 21:15-17).  So, as you can see from scripture, it was Christ who did this.  And St. Peter was the least of all the Apostles, which is why Christ made him the leader. 


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what do you mean that Jesus is head of the Roman Catholic Church?

The Bible says that Christ is the Head of the Church.  The Church is the assembly of Christians.  The Roman Catholic Church is a Christian Church whose existance goes back to the time of the Apostles.  Remember, we have always said that the Catholic Church was built by Christ through the Apostle Peter; therefore, we are an Apostolic Church. We can trace our lineage through the Apostles, and our heritage and roots can be traced all the way back to Judaism.  After all, Christianity came out of Judaism.  

The Catechism of the Catholic Church says that the Roman Catholics are also bonded with those who are called "Christians" despite that they are not Catholics.  Together with the rest of our Christian brothers and sisters we are the Body of Christ, and Christ is our Head.  
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« Reply #32 on: Sat Nov 26, 2011 - 16:18:25 »
Christianity  did not come out of Judaism....

Rabbi Ben Zion Bokser wrote in "Judaism and the Christian Predicament" (New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1967) p. 59:

"This is not an uncommon impression and one finds it sometimes among Jews as well as Christians - that Judaism is the religion of the Hebrew Bible. It is, of course, a fallacious impression. Judaism is not the religion of the Bible."

The London Jewish World of March 15, 1923 declared: "Fundamentally, Judaism is anti-Christian."

In fact,The Talmud was formed in Babylon,in Matthew 15,the Talmud is the ''Tradition of the elders''

Matthew 15:2:Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.

Read Matthew 15:1-9

Jesus was not a Jew,as you probably are trying to imply that he followed Judaism...i.e''Christianity came out of Judaism.   ''
''King of the Jews'' ...''Jews'' in Strong's Greek is....
2453. Ioudaios ee-oo-dah'-yos from 2448 (in the sense of 2455 as a country); Judaean, i.e. belonging to Jehudah:--Jew(-ess), of Judaea.

It means a geographic address or Tribe,not race...

Why would Jesus follow something that was formed in Babylon?

I'm Just curious about this,I mean if you touch on some subjects people jump on you and  point fingers or treat you like an outcast!(because the topic could be ''sensitive'')



Christ was a Jew.  He was born in Bethlahem, and Bethlahem is located inside Judah.  

Also, the Jewish Bible is the Torah.  The Jewish Torah is found in the Christian Bible.   The Talmud is NOT their Bible.  The Talmund is an instruction book containing their laws and teachings.  In the same way, the Catechism are the teachings of the Catholic Church.  So, you see, we have something in common with Judaism.  The Israelites, Hebrews, or Jews (whatever you want to call them) have their instruction book called the Talmud.  In the same way, the Catholic Church have the Catechism, which consist of their instructions and teachings.    

Jesus was a Jew, and He was brought up in the tradition of the Jews.  He was circumcised according to Jewish law.  

Luke 2:21-22   And after eight days were accomplished, that the child should be circumcised, his name was called JESUS, which was called by the angel, before he was conceived in the womb.  And after the days of her purification, according to the law of Moses, were accomplished, they carried him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord:

Furthermore, the Magi who followed His star to Bethlahem came to see Him and they also called Him the "king of the Jews."  

Matthew 2:2   Saying, Where is he that is born king of the Jews? For we have seen his star in the east, and are come to adore him.

And when Jesus was asked if He was King of the Jews, He did not deny it (See Matthew 27:11).  

Christianity came out of Judaism because Christ was a Jew, and the first people who followed Him were the Jewish-Christians.   The Jewish Torah (which is their Bible) are the same Old Testament books found in a Christian Bible.  

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« Reply #33 on: Wed Nov 30, 2011 - 11:18:06 »
Hello and Happy Advent!

What do you think of the new English Mass? -  Just wondering

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« Reply #34 on: Wed Nov 30, 2011 - 11:28:04 »
Hello and Happy Advent!

What do you think of the new English Mass? -  Just wondering

Hi trifecta,

They did a great job in the translation!  I'm not going to be exaggerating when I say that I think it will make a big difference in the world.  The language is beautiful in comparison to the old language that was used, and so far I would say that the prayers are more theologically correct.

I cried at mass on Sunday because the prayers around communion seemed so beautiful to me.

There are only a few words that I found clunky.  But in comparison I would say that it is greatly improved!

God Bless,

Andre

 

     
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