Bible alone?

[Magnificat]

The writers were 'moved by the Spirit'. The Roman Catholic church had NIL to do with it; there is no theological or historical basis for such a claim whatsoever.

Sorry, but you are quite wrong there.  The Bible was written in the bossom of the Catholic Church. The canon was declared by the Catholic Church.

True, The Holy Spirit Guided the Catholic Church in the writing and promulgation of the Canon.

And that is just the whole point of it.  It was the Catholic Church that the Holy Spirit Chose to write and determine the canon.

The Bible did not drop from the sky.

It's not even worth wasting time arguing over it.

True. But it is important to dispel ignorance on this matter.

[Jimmy]

The writers were 'moved by the Spirit'. The Roman Catholic church had NIL to do with it; there is no theological or historical basis for such a claim whatsoever.

Sorry, but you are quite wrong there.  The Bible was written in the bossom of the Catholic Church. The canon was declared by the Catholic Church.

True, The Holy Spirit Guided the Catholic Church in the writing and promulgation of the Canon.

The Holy Spirit guided Balaam's donkey to speak, but the donkey was still just a donkey.

And that is just the whole point of it.  It was the Catholic Church that the Holy Spirit Chose to write and determine the canon.

The Bible did not drop from the sky.

It's not even worth wasting time arguing over it.

True. But it is important to dispel ignorance on this matter.

The  Roman Catholic Church had absolutely nothing to do with writing any book of the Bible.

[Magnificat]

The Holy Spirit guided Balaam's donkey to speak, but the donkey was still just a donkey.

And the Holy Spirit guided the Catholic Church and it remains Christ's One True Church.

Christ CHOSE / WILLED that His Words be written within His Church.

The  Roman Catholic Church had absolutely nothing to do with writing any book of the Bible.

Sorry but you are wrong there. The Catholic Church had everything to do with the writing of the Bible and it was God's will that it be so.  Christ did not go around writing any of the books of the NT. What He did instead was to build a church through whom the NT will be written.

[Jimmy]

The Holy Spirit guided Balaam's donkey to speak, but the donkey was still just a donkey.

And the Holy Spirit guided the Catholic Church and it remains Christ's One True Church.

Christ CHOSE / WILLED that His Words be written within His Church.

Yes, that is one way to look at it.  However, that has little if anything to do with the RCC.  Many (one would hope) that most of those who identify with the RCC are indeed members of the body of Christ.  But again, that has little or nothing to do with the RCC.

The  Roman Catholic Church had absolutely nothing to do with writing any book of the Bible.

Sorry but you are wrong there. The Catholic Church had everything to do with the writing of the Bible and it was God's will that it be so.  Christ did not go around writing any of the books of the NT. What He did instead was to build a church through whom the NT will be written.

What a shame.  So misguided.  What Christ did was to build the church on the foundation of the apostles and prophets with Jesus as the chief cornerstone (Eph 2:20).  The RCC came along long after all of that was finished.

[Magnificat]

Yes, that is one way to look at it.  However, that has little if anything to do with the RCC.  Many (one would hope) that most of those who identify with the RCC are indeed members of the body of Christ.  But again, that has little or nothing to do with the RCC. 

Quite wrong there. It has everything to do with the Catholic Church. As I have said before, it was Christ's will that the Word of God be written and the canon determined by His Church, The Catholic church.

What a shame.  So misguided.  What Christ did was to build the church on the foundation of the apostles and prophets with Jesus as the chief cornerstone (Eph 2:20).  The RCC came along long after all of that was finished.

It seems you are the one who is misguided because you don't seem to know  Chapter 16 of the Gospel according to Matthew.

[Jimmy]

Yes, that is one way to look at it.  However, that has little if anything to do with the RCC.  Many (one would hope) that most of those who identify with the RCC are indeed members of the body of Christ.  But again, that has little or nothing to do with the RCC. 

Quite wrong there. It has everything to do with the Catholic Church. As I have said before, it was Christ's will that the Word of God be written and the canon determined by His Church, The Catholic church.

What a shame.  So misguided.  What Christ did was to build the church on the foundation of the apostles and prophets with Jesus as the chief cornerstone (Eph 2:20).  The RCC came along long after all of that was finished.

It seems you are the one who is misguided because you don't seem to know  Chapter 16 of the Gospel according to Matthew.

I know chapter 16 of the gospel of Matthew.  Nothing in there at all about the RCC.  You really should read it yourself instead of believing what you have been told.  Go ahead, read it.  Nothing in there about the RCC.

It is about Jesus' Church.  Nothing about the RCC.

[normfromga]

Then why are so many Bible believing independent church congregations so full of adultery and lying and thievery and child molestation and so lacking in holiness? The Bible may be the sole depository of whatever is needed to attain holiness. But in the absence of any earthly authority that can enforce holiness and discipline a Bible believing independent congregation, the Bible is of little use. These independent congregations and their leadership insist that they are answerable to their God. Some god.

1. Are you being a little judgemental here?

On what authority are you able to criticize an independent congregation for having adulterers, liars, thieves and pedophiles?  A personal revelation from God?  Perhaps they believe that they were led by God to do what they do.  On what basis is your revelation better than theirs?  Furthermore, by following their God-given, natural instincts, they claim that their holiness is superior to yours.  How can you dispute that?

2.  Whom/what does the "earthly authority" you favor answer to?  God?  How do it know?  How would we know?

How successful has it been in keeping their church on the straight and narrow from top to bottom?

Have they always kept that adulterer-liar-thief-pedophile problem under control?  Really?

You might want to double-check your data.

Myself, I would rather study my Bible, and monitor my local leadership, and, if confrontation at the local level is insufficient to correct discrepancies, vote with my feet.

[farouk]

Utterly wrong.

Period!

'Let the word of Christ dwell in your richly in all wisdom.' Colossians 3.16

The writers were 'moved by the Spirit'. The Roman Catholic church had NIL to do with it; there is no theological or historical basis for such a claim whatsoever.

Sorry, but you are quite wrong there.  The Bible was written in the bossom of the Catholic Church. The canon was declared by the Catholic Church.

True, The Holy Spirit Guided the Catholic Church in the writing and promulgation of the Canon.

And that is just the whole point of it.  It was the Catholic Church that the Holy Spirit Chose to write and determine the canon.

The Bible did not drop from the sky.

It's not even worth wasting time arguing over it.

True. But it is important to dispel ignorance on this matter.

[banished]

Hey farouk,

You are trying to win an argument and drifting farther and farther away from the facts.  Lets get zeroed back into the facts.  The Canon of the Roman Catholic Church is in fact the Canon of the Bible and the Canon of the Bible is in fact the Roman Catholic Church.  The New Testament is the actual Mass of the various Roman Catholic churches that has been written down.  At every Mass they celebrated the Sacrament of the Holy Eucharist as the actual body and blood of Christ.  If you want to be a Protestant in protest, okay, but let the facts govern and start at the reformation.

[Wycliffes_Shillelagh]

j:

Peter 1:23 "Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever."

farouk:

The "Word of God" in that verse is not referring to the Bible.

[zoonance]

Does anyone know where in the Bible it says that the Bible is our only source of authority?

Police, president, govenors, boss, speed limits, laws of the land...  Actually, there is pleny of extrabiblical authority.  I doubt many of us would quote a verse to our boss why we don't need to clean up our workplace as we obey God rather than man.   Though I doubt that is the 'authority' you had in mind.   We are commanded to obey the elders too and they have to make plenty of extrabiblical decisions based on the best they are trying to do.

[marc]

The writers were 'moved by the Spirit'. The Roman Catholic church had NIL to do with it; there is no theological or historical basis for such a claim whatsoever.

Sorry, but you are quite wrong there.  The Bible was written in the bossom of the Catholic Church. The canon was declared by the Catholic Church.

True, The Holy Spirit Guided the Catholic Church in the writing and promulgation of the Canon.

And that is just the whole point of it.  It was the Catholic Church that the Holy Spirit Chose to write and determine the canon.

The Bible did not drop from the sky.

Neither did the Catholic Church.

[Magnificat]

I know chapter 16 of the gospel of Matthew.  

That's great. How about you do an exegesis on this and we compare notes.

[Magnificat]

Neither did the Catholic Church.

100% correct there.  The Catholic Church did not drop from the sky. It was established by Christ here on earth.   Top marks for comprehension.

[Magnificat]

Utterly wrong.

Period!

'Let the word of Christ dwell in your richly in all wisdom.' Colossians 3.16

Would be good if you could stay on topic instead of throwing around verses that are not related to the subject being discussed.