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Here are a few short videos that will help explain why both Orthodox and Catholic have different books in their bibles.  If you're protestant and you have any questions as to why we have different books in our bible, take a look.  They are informative.  They even help you better understand your own canon.  

Also.  After watching the short little video.  Do you think that you will look into the history of the canon or reconsider your position on the Catholic and or Orthodox canon?  More than this, do you believe that the Catholics and or Orthodox have "added" to the bible?  Or have the protestants "taken away" from the bible?  













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Re: Catholic and or Orthodox bible canon VS Protestant bible canon
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2010, 03:23:30 PM »
Do you think that you will look into the history of the canon or reconsider your position on the Catholic and or Orthodox canon?  More than this, do you believe that the Catholics and or Orthodox have "added" to the bible?  Or have the protestants "taken away" from the bible?  
Any takers?  

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I'll take it.

The answer is both yes and no.

See, there were two versions of the old testament.  A Hebrew Jewish version and a Greek Jewish version.  The Greek Jewish version of Scripture contained the Apocrypha or Deuteranicals.  The Hebrew Jewish version of Scripture did not contain those books.

Originally, the Hebrew Jewish version was used and that was compiled with the NT (complied around 90 AD). 

So, the most truthful answer is that Catholics did not add anything to the Bible and that Protestants did not take anything away from the Bible.  It just depends on which version of the Jewish Scriptures you are going to use for your "Old Testament."

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Re: Catholic and or Orthodox bible canon VS Protestant bible canon
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2010, 03:23:30 PM »

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Re: Catholic and or Orthodox bible canon VS Protestant bible canon
« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2010, 04:05:50 PM »
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See, there were two versions of the old testament.  A Hebrew Jewish version and a Greek Jewish version.  The Greek Jewish version of Scripture contained the Apocrypha or Deuteranicals.  

Well, here's the thing.  Apocrypha is a word that means, "hidden" and to those Christians that don't believe that those "books" are hidden, they can't be called Apocrypha.  They are scripture.  Roman Catholics call those books deuterocanonical which pretty much means, "lesser canon".  Orthodox don't make the distinction.  Scripture is scripture.  

But even those terms are telling.  I think that if the Apostles and those after them considered the books that the protestants might label as, "apocrypha" as "scripture" there's a problem.  If Jesus and St. Paul and other NT writers are quoting from not only Holy Tradition but also (what you would call apocrypha) the books you exclude as AUTHORITATIVE SOURCES - something is amiss.   No? 

Why not?


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Originally, the Hebrew Jewish version was used and that was compiled with the NT (complied around 90 AD).  

The Jews didn't compile the Jewish version WITH the NT.  They removed those books for several reasons, one primary one being to distance themselves from Christians.  The last thing they would do is canonize the NT.

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So, the most truthful answer is that Catholics did not add anything to the Bible and that Protestants did not take anything away from the Bible.  It just depends on which version of the Jewish Scriptures you are going to use for your "Old Testament."

I don't understand.  To paraphrase, you are saying, "the Catholics didn't add, the Protestants didn't take away.  It just depends on you want to use," (for your own purposes?).  

Doesn't the above violate the tenants of sola scriptura (scripture alone)?  

Thanks for the reply.  


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Re: Catholic and or Orthodox bible canon VS Protestant bible canon
« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2010, 07:45:58 PM »
that stuff that's just the popes canon

who first recognized what God had Really canonized ?
the ancient catholic church fathers
it wasn't Luther he just rediscovered it .
in fact it took quite a while for Luther to finally
even RECOGNIZE Gods work in   James and revelation.
because he was so concerned that only the proper books
be recognized as Gods canonized books.

the Apocrypha however does give some back ground on what some peoples believed .
just as a history book written today about the religiosity of people of our times would give a glimpse in to beliefs of people today heretical or not.

 for instance some roman catholics were taught by their priests the devil lived in Lutheran churches so keep away from them . rofl
while  some protestants were taught that churches that roman catholic priests had once preached and held mass  in were unfit
for real protestant  pastors to now preach in.
 and that Lutherans were really much to catholic  because their pastors found no problem preaching to their congregations in them  . While we found there words about us being much to Catholic  very complementary much to the further Disgust of  protestant preachers who held this against us.
 rofl

My pastors are not so shy to avoid the real issues
My pastors say protestant pastors reject Gods work in the sacraments so stay away from them and Catholic priests follow There popes  teachings over  scripture so stay away from them also .





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Re: Catholic and or Orthodox bible canon VS Protestant bible canon
« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2010, 07:55:52 AM »
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Originally, the Hebrew Jewish version was used and that was compiled with the NT (complied around 90 AD).  

The Jews didn't compile the Jewish version WITH the NT.  They removed those books for several reasons, one primary one being to distance themselves from Christians.  The last thing they would do is canonize the NT.

No, the Jews did not compile our Bible...sorry I was not more clear...I meant early Christians.  When they compiled "Scriptures" they used the Hebrew version and then the letters that had been floating around.  Sorry for the misunderstanding.

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So, the most truthful answer is that Catholics did not add anything to the Bible and that Protestants did not take anything away from the Bible.  It just depends on which version of the Jewish Scriptures you are going to use for your "Old Testament."

I don't understand.  To paraphrase, you are saying, "the Catholics didn't add, the Protestants didn't take away.  It just depends on you want to use," (for your own purposes?).  

Doesn't the above violate the tenants of sola scriptura (scripture alone)?  

Kinda sorta.  I tend to have a view that is looked down upon by both catholics and protestants.  I personally do not believe they are "inspired" (many reason - different topic), but I do believe they are authentic.  I do not think we can glean doctrine from those books alone, but I do believe they support existing doctrine...

Can you see where both sides would not like my view?

Some Jews did consider the books cannon.  Some did not.  So the issue goes back as early as Christianity does.   When the Bible was officially cannonized those books were absent.  But in some versions those books were present.

See, when the Bible was cannonized, the OT was not changed.  They only really cannonized the NT, so some people used the Hebrew version for the OT and some used the Greek version for the OT.  Hence they were neither added, nor taken away.

Does that make sense?

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Re: Catholic and or Orthodox bible canon VS Protestant bible canon
« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2010, 07:55:52 AM »