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I want to start out here and say, I am appauled about the anti Catholic statements being made on this board that go unchecked.  I know these are not the majority of the views here, but I want one thread to discuss the religion and do so with dignity and respect.  If you are not a Catholic and would like to join in a constructive manner, by all means do so, if you are only going to post anti Catholic rhetoric, or your personal views of why you don't like them or the religion or what you think is wrong with it, please don't and move away from this thread that's all I ask.  This is supposed to be our thread, and I say our, as in I am going back to mass and I am rejoining the Church on a formal level.  I do so because obviously it's the underdog of religions these days and I just love the underdogs, God does as well, I myself consider myself an underdog and always have, so it's fitting that I remain with it.

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« Reply #1 on: Tue Mar 18, 2008 - 05:36:32 »
I want to start out here and say, I am appauled about the anti Catholic statements being made on this board that go unchecked.  I know these are not the majority of the views here, but I want one thread to discuss the religion and do so with dignity and respect.  If you are not a Catholic and would like to join in a constructive manner, by all means do so, if you are only going to post anti Catholic rhetoric, or your personal views of why you don't like them or the religion or what you think is wrong with it, please don't and move away from this thread that's all I ask.  This is supposed to be our thread, and I say our, as in I am going back to mass and I am rejoining the Church on a formal level.  I do so because obviously it's the underdog of religions these days and I just love the underdogs, God does as well, I myself consider myself an underdog and always have, so it's fitting that I remain with it.

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I know how you feel brother. But, what are we discussing? Anything?

Easter is this Sunday. Matye we could talk about that.

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Anything and everything Brother, it's a grab bag, Easter, very good starting topic, the timing could not be better.  Also from the original statement, I stopped going to mass, now I'm back could also be up for discussion as well. I'm going to go with the flow on this and learn and share, so no particular agenda or topc specifically inteneded.

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« Reply #3 on: Tue Mar 18, 2008 - 12:08:02 »
Anything and everything Brother, it's a grab bag, Easter, very good starting topic, the timing could not be better.  Also from the original statement, I stopped going to mass, now I'm back could also be up for discussion as well. I'm going to go with the flow on this and learn and share, so no particular agenda or topc specifically inteneded.

Ah, the prodigal son returns. Good for you! I hope you have a good, solid parish. Some of them have gone a little goofy in recent years.

We are in the Pashal Mysteriy this week, and mixture of Good and evil, bit good prevails. May I suggest a perfect book for you to read this week: "The Lamb's Supper", by Scott Hahn. Have you read it?

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« Reply #4 on: Tue Mar 18, 2008 - 14:01:43 »
Hi,

I am not Catholic, but I would like to ask about the three days in the ground. How can we have a Good Friday, which I consider Wretched Wednesday, when counting 3 days back from Sunday will not fit with Good Friday.

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« Reply #5 on: Tue Mar 18, 2008 - 15:22:19 »
Hi,

I am not Catholic, but I would like to ask about the three days in the ground. How can we have a Good Friday, which I consider Wretched Wednesday, when counting 3 days back from Sunday will not fit with Good Friday.
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CRUCIFIXION WEDNESDAY?
By James Akin


In some Protestant churches, especially Fundamentalist ones, every year at Easter time there are sermons explaining that Jesus didn’t really die on a Friday but on a Wednesday. This claim is based on Matthew 12:40, where Jesus states that "as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the whale, so will the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."

"If Jesus rose from the dead on Saturday night," a preacher will explain, "then he couldn’t have been crucified and died on Friday afternoon, because there aren’t three days in there. There’s only one, so we need to back up his death from Friday afternoon to Wednesday afternoon." This is usually accompanied by the claim that Easter is based on a pagan holiday; the "moving" of Jesus death to Good Friday is explained as the result of some unspecified but undoubtedly pagan cause.

All this is nonsense. Easter is not based on a pagan holiday but on a Jewish one, Passover. Easter originated as the first Sunday following Passover, when Jesus was crucified.

Neither, as some anti-Catholics claim, is the name Easter derived from the pagan goddess Ishtar. As checking the dictionary will reveal, Easter is derived from the Old English word east, which means precisely what it does today. Only a speaker of English or German (where the holiday is called Ostern) could fall for such a claim.

In virtually every other language, the name of Easter is derived from the Jewish word Pesach or "Passover." Thus in Greek the term for Easter is Pascha; in Latin the term is also Pascha. From there it passed into the Romance languages, and so in Spanish it is Pascua, in Italian Pasqua, in French Paques, and in Portugese Pascoa. It also passed into the non-Romance languages, such as the Germanic languages Dutch, where it is Pasen, and Danish, where it is Paaske.

If Easter is free of pagan origins, so is Jesus’ crucifixion on Friday. The premise of the "three days and three nights" argument—that Jesus rose from the dead on what we would call Saturday night—might well be true. The Jews reckoned the day as beginning at sunset, which is why we read the phrase "evening and morning" in the Bible rather than the more modern phrase "day and night." To the Jewish readers of Scripture the new day began at sunset.

When Scripture indicates that Jesus rose on the first day of the week, therefore, it means that he rose on the day that began at sunset on Saturday and lasted until sunset on Sunday. Since we are told his tomb was found empty "after the Sabbath, toward the dawn of the first day of the week" (Matt. 28:1), he must have risen between sunset Saturday and dawn Sunday. Whether this was before or after midnight Scripture does not say. He might have risen either Saturday night or Sunday morning before dawn, though, for purposes of determining when he was crucified, it doesn’t matter.

In the Bible, parts of time units were frequently counted as wholes. Thus a king might be said to have reigned for two years, even if he reigned for only fourteen months. In the same way, a day and a night does not mean a period of twenty-four hours. It can refer to any portion of a day coupled with any portion of a night. The expression "three days and three nights" could be used as simply a slightly hyperbolic way of referring to "three days."

As Protestant Bible scholar R. T. France notes: "Three days and three nights was a Jewish idiom to a period covering only two nights" (Matthew, 213).

Similarly, D. A. Carson, regarded as one of the deans of conservative Protestant Bible exegesis, explains: "In rabbinical thought a day and a night make an onah, and a part of an onah is as the whole. . . . Thus according to Jewish tradition, ‘three days and three nights’ need mean no more than ‘three days’ or the combination of any part of three separate days" (Expositor’s Bible Commentary, 8:296).

If Jesus was crucified and died Friday afternoon, that would be the first day; at sundown on Friday the second day would begin; then at sundown on Saturday the third day would begin. So Jesus was indeed "raised on the third day" (Matt. 20:19).

Scripture repeatedly tells us that Jesus was crucified on "the day of preparation," which was the first-century Jewish way of referring to Friday, the day of preparation for the Sabbath. This is why the women were not able to anoint his body before he was buried—because Jesus was hurriedly buried late in the afternoon, just as the Sabbath was beginning. The women thus had to rest until the Sabbath was over (Luke 23:56).

We are also told that the Jewish leaders asked Pilate to order the legs of the crucifixion victims broken so they would die faster (from asphyxiation due to an inability to push themselves up on their crosses and take a breath), "in order to prevent the bodies from remaining on the cross on the Sabbath" (John 19:31).

Some advocates of a Wednesday crucifixion concede that Jesus was crucified on the day before a Sabbath, but deny that this was the regular, weekly Sabbath. In later times, the phrase "day of preparation" came to be used to refer to the day before Passover and, this argument goes, Passover counted as a Sabbath in the sense that it was a day of rest, even though it usually did not fall on the weekly Sabbath. Thus Jesus was crucified on the day before Passover and had to be buried hurriedly on that account.

But this explanation will not do. In the first century, "the day of preparation" referred to Friday, not the day before Passover. Further, we know from Scripture that the Sabbath following Jesus’ crucifixion was the regular, weekly Sabbath, the seventh day of the week: "Now after the Sabbath, toward the dawn of the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to see the sepulcher" (Matt. 28:1).

We can thus reconstruct the chronology of the crucifixion, death, and Resurrection of Christ as follows:

Friday, the Day of Preparation: Jesus is crucified with two thieves. From noon to three in the afternoon, a darkness covers the land (Matt. 27:45). Then, "since it was the Day of Preparation, in order to prevent the bodies from remaining on the cross on the Sabbath . . . the Jews asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away" (John 19:31). Then Joseph of Arimathea obtains Jesus’ body and buries it: "It was Preparation Day [that is, the day before the Sabbath]. So as evening approached, Joseph of Arimathea, a prominent member of the Council, who was himself waiting for the kingdom of God, went boldly to Pilate and asked for Jesus’ body" (Mark 15:42-43, NIV).

Saturday, the Sabbath: "On the Sabbath they [the women] rested according to the commandment" (Luke 23:56b). Also on this day, "that is, after the Day of Preparation, the chief priests and the Pharisees gathered before Pilate" and asked for a guard to be placed on the tomb (Matt. 27:62).

Sunday, the first day of the week: "Now after the Sabbath, toward the dawn of the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to see the sepulcher" and found that Jesus had risen from the dead (Matt. 28:1).

Those anti-Catholics who allege that the Church commemorates Christ’s death on the wrong day are themselves in the wrong. The appropriate time for Christians to gather to commemorate Christ’s death is indeed Good Friday, not a hypothetical Crucifixion Wednesday.

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« Reply #6 on: Tue Mar 18, 2008 - 16:09:11 »
 Three Days

There seems to be a controversy over what day Jesus was crucified! I would say that the real controversy is over if there really is a “Good Friday

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« Reply #7 on: Tue Mar 18, 2008 - 17:06:50 »
Before I post what I think on this thread, I will say I am catholic with a little "c" so I guess that qualifies. 

Thursday is my best guess for the day of Crucifixion.  That said, I don't think it matters whether it was Thursday, Wednesday or Friday.  What matter is that when Christ died on the cross it was sufficient for our forgiveness, redemption, reconciliation and salvation.

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« Reply #8 on: Tue Mar 18, 2008 - 17:14:58 »
Before I post what I think on this thread, I will say I am catholic with a little "c" so I guess that qualifies. 

Thursday is my best guess for the day of Crucifixion.  That said, I don't think it matters whether it was Thursday, Wednesday or Friday.  What matter is that when Christ died on the cross it was sufficient for our forgiveness, redemption, reconciliation and salvation.
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« Reply #9 on: Tue Mar 18, 2008 - 17:15:48 »
Before I post what I think on this thread, I will say I am catholic with a little "c" so I guess that qualifies. 


....clever.. ...very clever  ::smile::

Thursday is my best guess for the day of Crucifixion.  That said, I don't think it matters whether it was Thursday, Wednesday or Friday.  What matter is that when Christ died on the cross it was sufficient for our forgiveness, redemption, reconciliation and salvation.

Well, thursday evening is actually friday to the jews, i think.

But honestly, I see no good reason why someone would have made all this up. To what point? The timing of Easter week is based on Passover week. What good would it do the Church to have made up a story like this?

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« Reply #10 on: Tue Mar 18, 2008 - 17:48:28 »
Before I post what I think on this thread, I will say I am catholic with a little "c" so I guess that qualifies. 

Thursday is my best guess for the day of Crucifixion.  That said, I don't think it matters whether it was Thursday, Wednesday or Friday.  What matter is that when Christ died on the cross it was sufficient for our forgiveness, redemption, reconciliation and salvation.

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I posted it for a discussion not an argument. I would be a little "c" also.

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« Reply #11 on: Tue Mar 18, 2008 - 19:15:37 »
John 19: 31 Now it was the day of Preparation, and the next day was to be a special Sabbath. Because the Jews did not want the bodies left on the crosses during the Sabbath, they asked Pilate to have the legs broken and the bodies taken down. 32 The soldiers therefore came and broke the legs of the first man who had been crucified with Jesus, and then those of the other. 33 But when they came to Jesus and found that he was already dead, they did not break his legs. 34 Instead, one of the soldiers pierced Jesus' side with a spear, bringing a sudden flow of blood and water.

The Jewish day started at sunset.  Jesus had to be removed from the cross before Friday at dusk. 

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« Reply #12 on: Tue Mar 18, 2008 - 19:34:19 »
If you look at Matthew there is a very good possibility that there were two Sabbaths that after the crucifixion..  Matthew 28:1 literally reads, "after the Sabbaths"

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« Reply #13 on: Tue Mar 18, 2008 - 19:48:57 »
If you look at Matthew there is a very good possibility that there were two Sabbaths that after the crucifixion..  Matthew 28:1 literally reads, "after the Sabbaths"
I have to be honest, I don't care if it was a Wednesday, Thursday, or whatever.
The verse I quoted used the term "special Sabbath"  I was wondering if it could be that that sabbath was special just because it was Passover week, or if they had an additional holy day that week and they were referring as to it as being a special sabbath.
Was that a practice at the time Spurly?

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« Reply #14 on: Tue Mar 18, 2008 - 20:16:20 »
Anything and everything Brother, it's a grab bag, Easter, very good starting topic, the timing could not be better.  Also from the original statement, I stopped going to mass, now I'm back could also be up for discussion as well. I'm going to go with the flow on this and learn and share, so no particular agenda or topc specifically inteneded.

Ah, the prodigal son returns. Good for you! I hope you have a good, solid parish. Some of them have gone a little goofy in recent years.

We are in the Pashal Mysteriy this week, and mixture of Good and evil, bit good prevails. May I suggest a perfect book for you to read this week: "The Lamb's Supper", by Scott Hahn. Have you read it?

I rarely watch TV, including TV ministries, but guess what the sermon was covered in literally the one I watched this morning.... the prodigal son, how ironic.  I'll elaborate a bit on it based upon his interpretation, it was an enlightening perspective.

Ok, so the son decided he wanted his inheritance sooner rather then later, he basically couldn't wait for his father to die, which would be the normal course for it to be given to him, so he's basically rejecting his father and family at that point to do his own thing, just as one is rejecting God to do their own thing. Now, his turning point, where he's feeding swine, the lowlyest job imaginable for those times, and his belly is empty, he thinks to his fathers house, where his servants have more then enough to eat with bread to spare.  His return was entirely because his belly was empty and he only wanted to come back as a servant, just to get fed and taken care of, not because he felt remorse for the actions he took against him.  His father regardless, forgave him and welcomed him with open arms, for he knew of this as well and when he initially confronted him, the son's speach he had prepared was not able to be of use, for he caught him off guard with the welcome.

The point here is not the traditional view of this, where the focus is missing along his motives for his return, it was simply enough for him to return any way or manner that did it, the largest point here, was the fact that the father showed him forgiveness and compassion, just as our heavenly father does to all those that stray and manage to find their way back to him.  This is saying something to all, that it's not to late to come back, and if you do, you will not face condemnation, but will be welcomed with open arms, not because of your actions, but because of God's grace and Love.

Along Easter and when Christ specifially died, I gotta side with the Sabbath being in the Jewish tradition, as in it begins Friday evening, that they had to have taken him down from the cross before then for they would be breaking the sabbath if they did not, so I bet there was kind of a mad scramble to get his body prepared and placed in the tomb.  That's day one, day two, saturday, he's down into the earth, ascended into hell, day 3, Sunday evening, he rises from hell victorious and rises from the grave itself.  This does fall in line with the traditional days that are honored for this tradition.  At the same time, it's simply enough to know what happened regardless of what day of the week it happened, and regardless of what day is celebrated, it's enough to simply remember and honor him for what he has done, every day of the year.

I'm glad this thread is off to a good happy start, keep up the good work gentlemen!

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« Reply #15 on: Tue Mar 18, 2008 - 20:48:27 »
But wasn't Jonah in the belly of the whale for three days? And wasnt that the "sign" of what Jesus was going to do?

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« Reply #16 on: Tue Mar 18, 2008 - 21:18:44 »
Friday, Saturday, Sunday, that's 3 days on my callender.

Something that has intrigued me, you remember when Jesus mentions showing his wounds after he was ressurected, now, did he keep them in tact during this whole time, or was his body healed after he ascended to heaven? Also, another bit of trivia, his body was wrapped in strips of linen along with 70 pounds of spices, it seems like a mumification type of custom, like he was tied up into it, how did he free himself of them, and where did he acquire clothes?  As you recall, they divided his garmets up after he was crucified, was there an extra set, or was he re-dressed or something?

Also, along the direction some of the churches have gone, I know there has been alot of changes due to the scandals as well as priests starting their own services without the support of the church, even starting their own families in the process, which is not in line with traditional western Catholic principals for priests.  What other things are you referencing in regards to this, to how some have became loopie?  Luckily there are some rather large, seemingly mainstream Catholic churches in town, so it shouldn't be too difficult to find a traditional one.

Something that swept over me last night, as I've been contemplating the decision to go back to the Catholic church, there is so much I have missed from it including our dialog about the saints and Mary.  It's hard to describe, but it's something, where I felt something was missing, that to be Catholic for me fits me like a glove, that I belong with this particular church and denomination.
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« Reply #17 on: Wed Mar 19, 2008 - 08:26:09 »
If you look at Matthew there is a very good possibility that there were two Sabbaths that after the crucifixion..  Matthew 28:1 literally reads, "after the Sabbaths"
I have to be honest, I don't care if it was a Wednesday, Thursday, or whatever.
The verse I quoted used the term "special Sabbath"  I was wondering if it could be that that sabbath was special just because it was Passover week, or if they had an additional holy day that week and they were referring as to it as being a special sabbath.
Was that a practice at the time Spurly?

That is a very good possibiility, but we can not know for sure.  However, when Matthew says, "after the Sabbaths" it causes one to lean that way.

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« Reply #18 on: Wed Mar 19, 2008 - 08:27:50 »
Friday, Saturday, Sunday, that's 3 days on my callender.

Something that has intrigued me, you remember when Jesus mentions showing his wounds after he was ressurected, now, did he keep them in tact during this whole time, or was his body healed after he ascended to heaven? Also, another bit of trivia, his body was wrapped in strips of linen along with 70 pounds of spices, it seems like a mumification type of custom, like he was tied up into it, how did he free himself of them, and where did he acquire clothes?  As you recall, they divided his garmets up after he was crucified, was there an extra set, or was he re-dressed or something?

Also, along the direction some of the churches have gone, I know there has been alot of changes due to the scandals as well as priests starting their own services without the support of the church, even starting their own families in the process, which is not in line with traditional western Catholic principals for priests.  What other things are you referencing in regards to this, to how some have became loopie?  Luckily there are some rather large, seemingly mainstream Catholic churches in town, so it shouldn't be too difficult to find a traditional one.

Something that swept over me last night, as I've been contemplating the decision to go back to the Catholic church, there is so much I have missed from it including our dialog about the saints and Mary.  It's hard to describe, but it's something, where I felt something was missing, that to be Catholic for me fits me like a glove, that I belong with this particular church and denomination.

John, what church are you affiliated with now, before your return to catholicism?

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« Reply #19 on: Wed Mar 19, 2008 - 08:52:38 »
I've never claimed any affiliation after I stopped going to mass, it never seemed necessary since the similarities between all of the mainstream protestant denominations were so slight, it felt entirely pointless to pigeonhole myself into standing behind one official denomination saying, I am part of any one specifically.

There is no before at this point, there may indeed, never have been a formal past, as in, I never renounced it as not being valid, I just chose to stop going to mass because mass is simply boring and ineffective at the time I did.  I'm finding now, the opposite is true, so I return, this time with a new apprieciation and this time to defend it from it's enemies.


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I've never claimed any affiliation after I stopped going to mass, it never seemed necessary since the similarities between all of the mainstream protestant denominations were so slight, it felt entirely pointless to pigeonhole myself into standing behind one official denomination saying, I am part of any one specifically.

There is no before at this point, there may indeed, never have been a formal past, as in, I never renounced it as not being valid, I just chose to stop going to mass because mass is simply boring and ineffective at the time I did.  I'm finding now, the opposite is true, so I return, this time with a new apprieciation and this time to defend it from it's enemies.



I'm telling you: Read The Lamb's Supper by Dr. Scott Hahn

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« Reply #21 on: Wed Mar 19, 2008 - 11:47:59 »
If you look at Matthew there is a very good possibility that there were two Sabbaths that after the crucifixion..  Matthew 28:1 literally reads, "after the Sabbaths"
I have to be honest, I don't care if it was a Wednesday, Thursday, or whatever.
The verse I quoted used the term "special Sabbath"  I was wondering if it could be that that sabbath was special just because it was Passover week, or if they had an additional holy day that week and they were referring as to it as being a special sabbath.
Was that a practice at the time Spurly?

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Lev 23:4-8
4.These are Yahweh’s appointed feasts, the sacred assemblies you are to proclaim at their appointed times.
5.Yahweh’s Passover begins at twilight on the fourteenth day of the first month.
6.On the fifteenth of that month Yahweh’s Feast of Unleavened Bread begins; for seven days you must eat bread made without yeast.
7.On the first day hold a sacred assembly and do no regular work.
8.For seven days present an offering made to Yahweh by fire.  And on the seventh day hold a sacred assembly and do no regular work.’

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« Reply #22 on: Wed Mar 19, 2008 - 13:54:35 »
I've never claimed any affiliation after I stopped going to mass, it never seemed necessary since the similarities between all of the mainstream protestant denominations were so slight, it felt entirely pointless to pigeonhole myself into standing behind one official denomination saying, I am part of any one specifically.

There is no before at this point, there may indeed, never have been a formal past, as in, I never renounced it as not being valid, I just chose to stop going to mass because mass is simply boring and ineffective at the time I did.  I'm finding now, the opposite is true, so I return, this time with a new apprieciation and this time to defend it from it's enemies.



I'm telling you: Read The Lamb's Supper by Dr. Scott Hahn

I'll look into it, thanks.

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What has happened to Catholic Crusader?

Your friend was banned yesterday for what was interpreted as a threat.

I really enjoyed his posts.  I hate to see him leave.  I think it's wonderful when someone finds great beauty in the way they chose to worship..even if it may not be the way I worship.  Contrary to the way lots of people seem to feel....I think Jesus loves all ways of worship because worship is the expression of the heart.  And a heart that loves Jesus is always beautiful.

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« Reply #27 on: Thu Mar 20, 2008 - 12:02:10 »
Contrary to the way lots of people seem to feel....I think Jesus loves all ways of worship because worship is the expression of the heart.  And a heart that loves Jesus is always beautiful.

I think you will find that this is contrary to the way lots of people seem to feel because this is contrary to what the Scripture teaches. God only accepts one kind of worship, worship that is in spirit and truth. (cf. Jhn 4:23-24)

There are true worshipers and false worshipers of God.

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« Reply #28 on: Thu Mar 20, 2008 - 12:25:28 »
Contrary to the way lots of people seem to feel....I think Jesus loves all ways of worship because worship is the expression of the heart.  And a heart that loves Jesus is always beautiful.

I think you will find that this is contrary to the way lots of people seem to feel because this is contrary to what the Scripture teaches. God only accepts one kind of worship, worship that is in spirit and truth. (cf. Jhn 4:23-24)

There are true worshipers and false worshipers of God.

My feeling is that when someone worships God... it is Jesus who can read the heart of the individual in order to make that judgement call.  It is the Holy Spirits job to correct it.  It is not MY judgement call or correction to make.   I was only instructed to love and believe the best.

I am in no position to assume I have the only 'truth'.  The only truth I have is that if we spend as much time perfecting our own personal worship as we do worrying how everyone else worships.....we would all be better off.  I want Jesus to remember I worshipped Him....not remember me as the person who spent all my time telling everyone else they were worshipping wrong.

This is just my personal opinion....I REFUSE to judge someone else regardless. I am not God. 


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« Reply #29 on: Thu Mar 20, 2008 - 12:40:17 »
Usually, whenever a screen name appears in black, and the word 'guest' is under the name, it means the person has been banished from the GC kingdom. 

I figured as much...what a shame.

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« Reply #30 on: Thu Mar 20, 2008 - 12:42:59 »
Contrary to the way lots of people seem to feel....I think Jesus loves all ways of worship because worship is the expression of the heart.  And a heart that loves Jesus is always beautiful.

I think you will find that this is contrary to the way lots of people seem to feel because this is contrary to what the Scripture teaches. God only accepts one kind of worship, worship that is in spirit and truth. (cf. Jhn 4:23-24)

There are true worshipers and false worshipers of God.

My feeling is that when someone worships God... it is Jesus who can read the heart of the individual in order to make that judgement call.  It is the Holy Spirits job to correct it.  It is not MY judgement call or correction to make.   I was only instructed to love and believe the best.

I am in no position to assume I have the only 'truth'.  The only truth I have is that if we spend as much time perfecting our own personal worship as we do worrying how everyone else worships.....we would all be better off.  I want Jesus to remember I worshipped Him....not remember me as the person who spent all my time telling everyone else they were worshipping wrong.

This is just my personal opinion....I REFUSE to judge someone else regardless. I am not God. 



GloryB,

I wasn't suggesting for you to judge anyone, my comments were simply directed at your statement that "Jesus loves all ways of worship". And that holding to that concept is erroneous when examined compared to the Scriptures.

Thats all.

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« Reply #31 on: Thu Mar 20, 2008 - 12:58:40 »
Rom 12:1  Therefore, I urge you, brothers, in view of God's mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God—this is your spiritual act of worship.
Rom 12:2  Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.
Rom 12:3  For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourself with sober judgment, in accordance with the measure of faith God has given you.
FTL

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« Reply #32 on: Thu Mar 20, 2008 - 18:00:14 »
Usually, whenever a screen name appears in black, and the word 'guest' is under the name, it means the person has been banished from the GC kingdom. 

I figured as much...what a shame.

I even posted something on that thread in his defense, putting what was said into proper context, I guess my appeal was not good enough for them.  Luckily I have his email so we can continue our dialog and the fact, I will be creating a new forum and this one will have catholics "and" protestants in the staff so there will be no dissention between the two sides and people will be treated fairly regardless of denomination.  Luckily I'm a veteran webmaster, scriptmaster, search engine marketer and above all, friend to all Christians and of course, I have a vast amount of experience running, and establishing boards. 

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« Reply #33 on: Thu Mar 20, 2008 - 18:20:41 »
Brian, I don't believe the moderation were wrong in their decision. Their decision had nothing to do with him being Catholic or the staff being Protestant, it had to do with something offensive and potentially threatening in his post to a member that could not be ignored. There is no defense to be made for someone who would even insinuate violence toward a member.

So please, just let sleeping dogs lie on this one.

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« Reply #34 on: Thu Mar 20, 2008 - 18:27:29 »
I said nothing about the moderators or their decision, I just stated that I will be creating a new board, that's all and I stated that I posted something in his defense.  It's just stating a fact of what is to come, that's all....