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chandrus
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« on: July 21, 2007, 04:07:24 AM »
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« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2007, 05:38:32 AM »
God loves Catholics, hates catholicism!
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« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2007, 07:40:54 AM »
I doubt God has much use for any of our "-isms".
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« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2007, 10:43:34 AM »
Quote from: chandrus on July 21, 2007, 04:07:24 AM
Your thoughts.
Uhhhhh.........members of the Catholic church? Normally used to refer to members of the Roman Catholic Church, but can be extended to include all those in communion with Rome.
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« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2007, 11:19:49 AM »
Quote from: chandrus on July 21, 2007, 04:07:24 AM
Your thoughts.

The word "catholic" means "universal" and was used to refer collectively to believers wherever in the world they were found. This is why the Apostles Creed says at one point, "I believe in the catholic church."   
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« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2007, 01:58:26 PM »
I do not consider Catholics to be Christians.  It is a religion of works.
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« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2007, 02:02:06 PM »
Quote from: Robert Pate on July 21, 2007, 01:58:26 PM
I do not consider Catholics to be Christians.  It is a religion of works.

Oh but we so are very Christian!!  Roman Catholics are also Christian. 

your loose usage of Catholic  just shows how much you don't actually know!!!
you are fond of religion of works.

you haven't explained what you mean as religion of works?
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« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2007, 03:23:16 PM »
Quote from: ann on July 21, 2007, 02:02:06 PM
you haven't explained what you mean as religion of works?


I hope Robert doesn't mind if I butt in here with my own 2 cents.

I'll let Rome speak for herself on this. The following is extracted from the Council of Trent, The Sixth Session, On Justification:

CANON IX.-If any one saith, that by faith alone the impious is justified; in such wise as to mean, that nothing else is required to co-operate in order to the obtaining the grace of Justification, and that it is not in any way necessary, that he be prepared and disposed by the movement of his own will; let him be anathema.

CANON X.-If any one saith, that men are just without the justice of Christ, whereby He merited for us to be justified; or that it is by that justice itself that they are formally just; let him be anathema.

CANON XI.-If any one saith, that men are justified, either by the sole imputation of the justice of Christ, or by the sole remission of sins, to the exclusion of the grace and the charity which is poured forth in their hearts by the Holy Ghost, and is inherent in them; or even that the grace, whereby we are justified, is only the favour of God; let him be anathema.

CANON XII.-If any one saith, that justifying faith is nothing else but confidence in the divine mercy which remits sins for Christ's sake; or, that this confidence alone is that whereby we are justified; let him be anathema.

CANON XXX.-If any one saith, that, after the grace of Justification has been received, to every penitent sinner the guilt is remitted, and the debt of eternal punishment is blotted out in such wise, that there remains not any debt of temporal punishment to be discharged either in this world, or in the next in Purgatory, before the entrance to the kingdom of heaven can be opened (to him); let him be anathema.

CANON XXXII.-If any one saith, that the good works of one that is justified are in such manner the gifts of God, as that they are not also the good merits of him that is justified; or, that the said justified, by the good works which he performs through the grace of God and the merit of Jesus Christ, whose [Page 49] living member he is, does not truly merit increase of grace, eternal life, and the attainment of that eternal life,-if so be, however, that he depart in grace,-and also an increase of glory; let him be anathema.
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« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2007, 04:25:04 PM »
ann

If you agree with Machairas post then you are Catholic.  This is what Catholics believe.  I think you should go to my web site and take the doctrine quiz.  You may find out that you are a Catholic.
http://www.theapostlesdoctrine.com
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« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2007, 05:29:54 PM »
Quote from: Robert Pate on July 21, 2007, 01:58:26 PM
I do not consider Catholics to be Christians.  It is a religion of works.

Please elaborate.  This is quite a bold statement.  I am assuming that you know what you are talking about.  I am sure that you have studied Catholicism extensively.  Please tell me why Catholics aren't Christian.  What do you mean by "religion of works?"
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« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2007, 05:34:46 PM »
Quote from: chandrus on July 21, 2007, 05:38:32 AM
God loves Catholics, hates catholicism!

What a quote!  Chandrus, you must be only person I know that truly understands the mind of God.  What else does He think?
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« Reply #11 on: July 21, 2007, 05:37:17 PM »
Ask Robert. 
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« Reply #12 on: July 21, 2007, 06:00:21 PM »
broach972

Theoretically there are two ways to be saved.

1 You must keep all of the commandments from the time that you are a small child until you die.  This is impossible.

2 place your faith in the saving work of Jesus Christ. Plus nothing.

Catholicism does not teach or believe that you are saved by faith alone.

Catholicism teaches that you cannot be saved unless you are a member of the Catholic church.

Catholicism teaches that you must participate in the sacraments or you cannot be saved.

There is no historical gospel in the Catholic church.  That is that Christ lived for us, died for us, and was resurrected for us.

The Catholic church teaches that Christ died so that the Holy Spirit would be available to make one holy.  They believe that it is the Spirit working in ones life that makes them acceptable to God.  It is the Spirit that saves not Christ.
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« Reply #13 on: July 21, 2007, 06:05:37 PM »
Quote from: Robert Pate on July 21, 2007, 06:00:21 PM
broach972

Theoretically there are two ways to be saved.

1 You must keep all of the commandments from the time that you are a small child until you die.  This is impossible.

2 place your faith in the saving work of Jesus Christ. Plus nothing.
3. Respond to God in the way in which He expects.

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Catholicism does not teach or believe that you are saved by faith alone.
Neither does Scripture.

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Catholicism teaches that you cannot be saved unless you are a member of the Catholic church.
No, it does not.

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There is no historical gospel in the Catholic church.  That is that Christ lived for us, died for us, and was resurrected for us.
So the RCC doesn't teach "that Christ lived for us, died for us, and was resurrected for us."??

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The Catholic church teaches that Christ died so that the Holy Spirit would be available to make one holy.  They believe that it is the Spirit working in ones life that makes them acceptable to God.  It is the Spirit that saves not Christ.
I'm not sure that Jesus died so that we'd have the Spirit, but Scripture does indicate that the Spirit does work within us, presumably to make us holy.
I'm not at all sure the RCC teaches that Christ does not save us. Care to provide an RCC reference?
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« Reply #14 on: July 21, 2007, 06:14:12 PM »
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Take the doctrine quiz on my web site, you may find out that you are a Catholic.  http://www.theapostlesdoctrine.com
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