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« on: Sat Apr 30, 2011 - 17:25:48 »
Digging for the truth

In another thread that was  deleted we were discussing statements that I made and I know longer have all that was challenged., but the jest of the conversation was about the Vatican’s true purpose being in and of the world. I said the world politics though necessary is always  a  part of the worlds corrupt system. It is antichrist  and Jesus was not any part of it. Catholica said we must use every avenue to reach the world for Christ . Jesus said we are a light that shines in the darkness. As lights of Christ we dispel the dark You don’t join the dark to make dark light. There is a lot that is evil in this world. Did Jesus say become evil or join to it to make  evil good?

We talked about religion and I said that Jesus was not about religion, and that it is just another part of the world, to which Catholica said God gave us religion. He referred to James 1:27  to say I was wrong.  We needed to define the verse.

 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
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This verse really defines it self. And backs what I have said.  We must clarify what is worldly religion, and that which God says is pure undefiled and unspotted by the world.

It is defined by love and compassion and not outward forms of being religious or like the other religions of the world. Being unspotted by the world speaks of not being a part of it as to be in league with it. This is, that as believers who comprise the church which includes its leadership are commanded by Christ to be separate and not of the world This truth is from Genesis to Revelation. So why is the Vatican in league with it?

Selene says I have no proof, no evidence.  I said we don’t have to prove what we already know. I don’t have to prove the Vatican is in bed with the worlds politics. This is already well know even by Catholics.  Getting back to separation I used 2 scripture which are only two of many.
 
2nd cor 6:17,18 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? 16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, 18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.#
I also posted The lords prayer for the disciples which includes the apostles that are our teaching authority. It includes those who say they are our teaching authority today

John 17:9,18
9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine. 10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are. 12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled. 13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves. 14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. 16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. 18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world. 19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified# through the truth.
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; 21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. 22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: 23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world. 25 # O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me. 26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.




Please study the words of this prayer carefully.  Look at the first sentence, he says I pray not for the world. Why would he say that? Hello! The unbelieving world and its systems is antichrist.
Jesus mentions the world 12 times in this prayer. Declaring that while as believer being in the world we were not to be of it. This he said to our leaders of the church. Not to put any faith in it or its  politics or its religions, its philosophy its ways  or of its corruptions. Yet we know that that the Vatican is in all of this

So the question came to me do we believe the Lord in his word or do we just say we do. Are we playing some religious game? Use the word for some convenience

During our earlier dialogue  I said Jesus was  not about world politics or its religions, (And I quote my words) “ but he was about calling a people unto Himself  out of the world and the coming judgment

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Digging for the truth

In another thread that was  deleted we were discussing statements that I made and I know longer have all that was challenged., but the jest of the conversation was about the Vatican’s true purpose being in and of the world. I said the world politics though necessary is always  a  part of the worlds corrupt system. It is antichrist  and Jesus was not any part of it. Catholica said we must use every avenue to reach the world for Christ . Jesus said we are a light that shines in the darkness. As lights of Christ we dispel the dark You don’t join the dark to make dark light. There is a lot that is evil in this world. Did Jesus say become evil or join to it to make  evil good?

We talked about religion and I said that Jesus was not about religion, and that it is just another part of the world, to which Catholica said God gave us religion. He referred to James 1:27  to say I was wrong.  We needed to define the verse.

 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
#
This verse really defines it self. And backs what I have said.  We must clarify what is worldly religion, and that which God says is pure undefiled and unspotted by the world.

It is defined by love and compassion and not outward forms of being religious or like the other religions of the world. Being unspotted by the world speaks of not being a part of it as to be in league with it. This is, that as believers who comprise the church which includes its leadership are commanded by Christ to be separate and not of the world This truth is from Genesis to Revelation. So why is the Vatican in league with it?

Selene says I have no proof, no evidence.  I said we don’t have to prove what we already know. I don’t have to prove the Vatican is in bed with the worlds politics. This is already well know even by Catholics.  Getting back to separation I used 2 scripture which are only two of many.
 
2nd cor 6:17,18 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? 16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, 18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.#
I also posted The lords prayer for the disciples which includes the apostles that are our teaching authority. It includes those who say they are our teaching authority today

John 17:9,18
9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine. 10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are. 12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled. 13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves. 14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. 16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. 18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world. 19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified# through the truth.
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; 21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. 22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: 23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world. 25 # O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me. 26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.




Please study the words of this prayer carefully.  Look at the first sentence, he says I pray not for the world. Why would he say that? Hello! The unbelieving world and its systems is antichrist.
Jesus mentions the world 12 times in this prayer. Declaring that while as believer being in the world we were not to be of it. This he said to our leaders of the church. Not to put any faith in it or its  politics or its religions, its philosophy its ways  or of its corruptions. Yet we know that that the Vatican is in all of this

So the question came to me do we believe the Lord in his word or do we just say we do. Are we playing some religious game? Use the word for some convenience

During our earlier dialogue  I said Jesus was  not about world politics or its religions, (And I quote my words) “ but he was about calling a people unto Himself  out of the world and the coming judgment

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Digging for the truth

In another thread that was  deleted we were discussing statements that I made and I know longer have all that was challenged., but the jest of the conversation was about the Vatican’s true purpose being in and of the world. I said the world politics though necessary is always  a  part of the worlds corrupt system. It is antichrist  and Jesus was not any part of it. Catholica said we must use every avenue to reach the world for Christ . Jesus said we are a light that shines in the darkness. As lights of Christ we dispel the dark You don’t join the dark to make dark light. There is a lot that is evil in this world. Did Jesus say become evil or join to it to make  evil good?

We talked about religion and I said that Jesus was not about religion, and that it is just another part of the world, to which Catholica said God gave us religion. He referred to James 1:27  to say I was wrong.  We needed to define the verse.

 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
#
This verse really defines it self. And backs what I have said.  We must clarify what is worldly religion, and that which God says is pure undefiled and unspotted by the world.

It is defined by love and compassion and not outward forms of being religious or like the other religions of the world. Being unspotted by the world speaks of not being a part of it as to be in league with it. This is, that as believers who comprise the church which includes its leadership are commanded by Christ to be separate and not of the world This truth is from Genesis to Revelation. So why is the Vatican in league with it?

Selene says I have no proof, no evidence.  I said we don’t have to prove what we already know. I don’t have to prove the Vatican is in bed with the worlds politics. This is already well know even by Catholics.  Getting back to separation I used 2 scripture which are only two of many.
 
2nd cor 6:17,18 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? 16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, 18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.#
I also posted The lords prayer for the disciples which includes the apostles that are our teaching authority. It includes those who say they are our teaching authority today

John 17:9,18
9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine. 10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are. 12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled. 13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves. 14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. 16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. 18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world. 19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified# through the truth.
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; 21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. 22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: 23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world. 25 # O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me. 26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.




Please study the words of this prayer carefully.  Look at the first sentence, he says I pray not for the world. Why would he say that? Hello! The unbelieving world and its systems is antichrist.
Jesus mentions the world 12 times in this prayer. Declaring that while as believer being in the world we were not to be of it. This he said to our leaders of the church. Not to put any faith in it or its  politics or its religions, its philosophy its ways  or of its corruptions. Yet we know that that the Vatican is in all of this

So the question came to me do we believe the Lord in his word or do we just say we do. Are we playing some religious game? Use the word for some convenience

During our earlier dialogue  I said Jesus was  not about world politics or its religions, (And I quote my words) “ but he was about calling a people unto Himself  out of the world and the coming judgment

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« Reply #3 on: Mon May 02, 2011 - 07:35:02 »
Really guy? You've lied more times than I inhale in a day. Its genuinely mind boggling. When has Chester ever opened his mouth and lied quote it because I can quote your baseless slanders and lies for you and crush your accusation with a simple of war of attrition. 

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« Reply #4 on: Mon May 02, 2011 - 09:48:43 »
Really guy? You've lied more times than I inhale in a day. Its genuinely mind boggling. When has Chester ever opened his mouth and lied quote it because I can quote your baseless slanders and lies for you and crush your accusation with a simple of war of attrition. 

Does God's Word lie?

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« Reply #5 on: Mon May 02, 2011 - 12:30:15 »
Really guy? You've lied more times than I inhale in a day. Its genuinely mind boggling. When has Chester ever opened his mouth and lied quote it because I can quote your baseless slanders and lies for you and crush your accusation with a simple of war of attrition.

Does God's Word lie?


Of course not and if you watch honestly you would see that Chester quotes more Sacred Scripture than Mclees. Not that honesty matters among protestants as long as you're anticatholic.
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« Reply #6 on: Mon May 02, 2011 - 12:32:49 »
Really guy? You've lied more times than I inhale in a day. Its genuinely mind boggling. When has Chester ever opened his mouth and lied quote it because I can quote your baseless slanders and lies for you and crush your accusation with a simple of war of attrition.
Does God's Word lie?
Of course 

Of course it lies?  Not in my heart!!!
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« Reply #7 on: Mon May 02, 2011 - 12:44:50 »
Really guy? You've lied more times than I inhale in a day. Its genuinely mind boggling. When has Chester ever opened his mouth and lied quote it because I can quote your baseless slanders and lies for you and crush your accusation with a simple of war of attrition. 

People who believe that the lies they believe are truth are guilty nevertheless of spreading a lie.

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« Reply #8 on: Mon May 02, 2011 - 13:42:29 »
Really guy? You've lied more times than I inhale in a day. Its genuinely mind boggling. When has Chester ever opened his mouth and lied quote it because I can quote your baseless slanders and lies for you and crush your accusation with a simple of war of attrition.
Does God's Word lie?
Of course  

Of course it lies?  Not in my heart!!!


Oh goodness gracious. I meant to add the word "not". Don't be so mellow dramatic. You are not some warrior for God and I am not an emissary of hell. You are only boosting your own precious ego and paying homage to your stomach when you act like I actually meant to imply that God's Word is anything but inerrant, infallible, falwless Truth.

My goodness protestants. Getting all outrage when I clearly made a mistake. Ridiculous. I can see if you haven't debated me like oh I don't know a hundred times. As if we haven't had pm conversations and I affirm my belief in the Truth of God's Word by allowing myself to be corrected and checked by the way you present it when I make a mistake.

You guys kill me with that rudimentary can't see anything but five seconds in front of your face nonsense.

Come back to reality.

You know good and well I meant to add "not".

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« Reply #9 on: Mon May 02, 2011 - 13:48:13 »
Really guy? You've lied more times than I inhale in a day. Its genuinely mind boggling. When has Chester ever opened his mouth and lied quote it because I can quote your baseless slanders and lies for you and crush your accusation with a simple of war of attrition.
Does God's Word lie?
Of course  

Of course it lies?  Not in my heart!!!
God's Word is inerrant, infallible, falwless Truth.

That would of been enough...thank you ::smile::

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« Reply #10 on: Mon May 02, 2011 - 14:10:31 »
Really guy? You've lied more times than I inhale in a day. Its genuinely mind boggling. When has Chester ever opened his mouth and lied quote it because I can quote your baseless slanders and lies for you and crush your accusation with a simple of war of attrition.  

People who believe that the lies they believe are truth are guilty nevertheless of spreading a lie.


That is incorrect.

If someone genuinely believes what they believe is Truth and defend it and uphold it as Truth, they can not be charged as a liar. They are simply misguided. A liar has to conciously know that "x" is not True in yet continues to choose to spread, uphold and masquerade "x" around as Truth knowing full well that such is not the case.

You are not a liar because you believe in OSAS. You genuinely think that is the Truth therfore you aren't lying when you uphold and spread it. Chester is not a liar for upholding the Communion of the Saints. He genuinely believes that all born again Christians are apart of the Body of Christ in this life and the next. He genuinely does not believe in the modernist heresy of Soul Sleep and as such is not lying when he upholds and spreads his belief.

You are liar, with a bold faced caption, when you say that Catholics worship Mary. The reason you are a liar is because we have expalined to you that we don't and thus ignorance is no longer a viable excuse. We have given scriptural account of veneration precedented by an archangel of God. In yet his act of veneration is not worship but our repetition of that act is? That is why you are a liar.

Mcless is a liar because he continuously states that the Papacy did not begin with St. Peter. I have provided every known historic document I can think of; every accreditted and validated historian from Eusebius, to St. Jerome, to St. Ignatius to even quoting the Acts of Peter which records in detail Peter's ministry after the ascension of Christ and I even reproduced the line of succession. However he still provides nothing but the impusles of his stomach and inner sanctum caused probably by indigestion. Ignorance is no longer a viable excuse for him. That is why he is a liar.

Tinker is a liar because he has stated that the Catholic Church hates Sacred Scripture and wishes to destory it. I have provided the Truth that it was by the Catholic Johannes Gutenberg's printing press which was funded by the Catholic Church, that the Church began to print Bibles for private ownership. I have also provided evidence of the Catholic Church being the first to translate the Scripture into different languages with the intent of making the Word more assessible in a time where there were less than ten manuscripts in the world and dozens of languages that shelterd millions of faithful followers. He simply ignores the evidence and continues on.

Amo is liar because he continuously states the Papacy is the Beast and that the RCC changed the Sabbath. I have clarified to him that the Sabbath is still Saturday but the Church did indeed transfer the Day of Assembly and Worship to Sunday which was indeed the day Jesus Christ rose from the grave. In regards to the Beast, I have provided Scripture showing that the Beast is an Empire springing from a capital that rests completely on seven hills. Vatican City rests simply on one hill and thus does not meet the requisite to be such a dark force. Ignored and falsehood continued to be spread.

Larry was, and I don't know maybe still is, a liar for propagating that the Roman Catholic Church teaches that only Roman Catholics are saved. I have expalined and placed every quote taken out of its literature and historical context back into its proper and all I got was a "No that is not entirely accurate. I'm not sorry that I see the Truth". Whatever I'm over it but that's just the situation.

Chosenone was and/or is still a liar for propagating that Allah is some random false god. Islam is an Abrahamic religion which means that their "God", at leats in their hearts, is the God of Abraham. The God of Abraham is not some false god. Although the name Allah is one of 99 used to call out to the God of Abraham, which historically did apply to an old pagan sun god, the Muslims don't cry out to that god. They turn towards Mecca five times a day to cry out to the God of Abraham............... Sadly they cry out in vain because no one comes to Father except through His Son. The Name of the Lord Jesus Christ is the stamp that gets our prayers to Heaven. Only through that One Mediator and High Priest Christ can one truly worship God; only through the covering of His shed blood. Muslims don't have that but that doesn't mean they still don't try.

I could go on but I think that's enough for now.
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« Reply #11 on: Mon May 02, 2011 - 14:50:48 »
I rest my case ::shrug:: Liar Liar You tell lies. You think us all liars.
How ever the point in the original post is not a lie yet you will discount it as a lie because you do not want to except it as truth.

Who is a liar then. The one who tells truth that others don't want to believe? Did not our Lord face this same thing? You can call me a liar all day long if you want to, but you will stop short that scripture lies.

You either except scripture as true and is instruction for the believer or you don't. if you then say that you believe it is truth yet deny the scripture that the lord says in prayer that we are to be separate and have no part with the world.

What did the Lord mean when he prayed for the disciples " I pray not for the world" This is such an important subject that it is throughout scripture. do you dare fuff it off and call everyone a liar.

Is my article a lie. Did i lie about anything, about scripture or the Vatican's relationship with the world which is so obvious a blind man could see it?
 
Poitout the lies and back them up.

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« Reply #12 on: Mon May 02, 2011 - 14:53:57 »
I rest my case ::shrug:: Liar Liar You tell lies. You think us all liars.
How ever the point in the original post is not a lie yet you will discount it as a lie because you do not want to except it as truth.

Who is a liar then. The one who tells truth that others don't want to believe? Did not our Lord face this same thing? You can call me a liar all day long if you want to, but you will stop short that scripture lies.

You either except scripture as true and is instruction for the believer or you don't. if you then say that you believe it is truth yet deny the scripture that the lord says in prayer that we are to be separate and have no part with the world.

What did the Lord mean when he prayed for the disciples " I pray not for the world" This is such an important subject that it is throughout scripture. do you dare fuff it off and call everyone a liar.

Is my article a lie. Did i lie about anything, about scripture or the Vatican's relationship with the world which is so obvious a blind man could see it?
 
Poitout the lies and back them up.


Man you heard what I said. I didn't say everything you say was a lie. I clearly gave an example of your lies which you smartly didn't even address.

Take your shifting falsehoods to a crowd thats illiterate and dumbfounded.

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Re: Digging for the truth
« Reply #13 on: Mon May 02, 2011 - 15:00:50 »
And Mclees our duty as the Church is to the world.

Christ called us the Light of the World. It is our duty to shed the light of the Gospel on the world. To immerse ourselves in the treaches penetrating every gathering and bringing the knowledge of the Gospel to the all mankind.

That is the spirit and mandate of evangelism.


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« Reply #14 on: Mon May 02, 2011 - 15:06:35 »
Really guy? You've lied more times than I inhale in a day. Its genuinely mind boggling. When has Chester ever opened his mouth and lied quote it because I can quote your baseless slanders and lies for you and crush your accusation with a simple of war of attrition.  


People who believe that the lies they believe are truth are guilty nevertheless of spreading a lie.



That is incorrect.

If someone genuinely believes what they believe is Truth and defend it and uphold it as Truth, they can not be charged as a liar. They are simply misguided. A liar has to conciously know that "x" is not True in yet continues to choose to spread, uphold and masquerade "x" around as Truth knowing full well that such is not the case.


What drivel! When Satan lies to people and they believe it, it's the truth?

Hardly. You don't have to be aware of the lie to spread it.

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You are liar, with a bold faced caption, when you say that Catholics worship Mary. The reason you are a liar is because we have expalined to you that we don't and thus ignorance is no longer a viable excuse. We have given scriptural account of veneration precedented by an archangel of God. In yet his act of veneration is not worship but our repetition of that act is? That is why you are a liar.


If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck and quacks---it's a duck. It is worship.

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Mcless is a liar because he continuously states that the Papacy did not begin with St. Peter. I have provided every known historic document I can think of; every accreditted and validated historian from Eusebius, to St. Jerome, to St. Ignatius to even quoting the Acts of Peter which records in detail Peter's ministry after the ascension of Christ and I even reproduced the line of succession. However he still provides nothing but the impusles of his stomach and inner sanctum caused probably by indigestion. Ignorance is no longer a viable excuse for him. That is why he is a liar.


Fabricating history is still a lie, Buddy.

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Tinker is a liar because he has stated that the Catholic Church hates Sacred Scripture and wishes to destory it. I have provided the Truth that it was by the Catholic Johannes Gutenberg's printing press which was funded by the Catholic Church, that the Church began to print Bibles for private ownership. I have also provided evidence of the Catholic Church being the first to translate the Scripture into different languages with the intent of making the Word more assessible in a time where there were less than ten manuscripts in the world and dozens of languages that shelterd millions of faithful followers. He simply ignores the evidence and continues on.


Yet they hold to men's traditions over the word.

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Amo is liar because he continuously states the Papacy is the Beast and that the RCC changed the Sabbath. I have clarified to him that the Sabbath is still Saturday but the Church did indeed transfer the Day of Assembly and Worship to Sunday which was indeed the day Jesus Christ rose from the grave. In regards to the Beast, I have provided Scripture showing that the Beast is an Empire springing from a capital that rests completely on seven hills. Vatican City rests simply on one hill and thus does not meet the requisite to be such a dark force. Ignored and falsehood continued to be spread.


That is a matter of opinion, only.

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Larry was, and I don't know maybe still is, a liar for propagating that the Roman Catholic Church teaches that only Roman Catholics are saved. I have expalined and placed every quote taken out of its literature and historical context back into its proper and all I got was a "No that is not entirely accurate. I'm not sorry that I see the Truth". Whatever I'm over it but that's just the situation.


Literature? How about God's word? If you believed that, there would be no conflict.

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Chosenone was and/or is still a liar for propagating that Allah is some random false god. Islam is an Abrahamic religion which means that their "God", at leats in their hearts, is the God of Abraham. The God of Abraham is not some false god. Although the name Allah is one of 99 used to call out to the God of Abraham, which historically did apply to an old pagan sun god, the Muslims don't cry out to that god. They turn towards Mecca five times a day to cry out to the God of Abraham............... Sadly they cry out in vain because no one comes to Father except through His Son. The Name of the Lord Jesus Christ is the stamp that gets our prayers to Heaven. Only through that One Mediator and High Priest Christ can one truly worship God; only through the covering of His shed blood. Muslims don't have that but that doesn't mean they still don't try.


False. Allah is the name of their false god---an ancient moon deity (Satan in diguise!), re-crafted for this modern era to be palatable to those Islam wishes to spiritually defraud.

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I could go on but I think that's enough for now.


Yes, what a waste of time calling truth-tellers they are liars.

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Re: Digging for the truth
« Reply #15 on: Mon May 02, 2011 - 15:37:39 »
Really guy? You've lied more times than I inhale in a day. Its genuinely mind boggling. When has Chester ever opened his mouth and lied quote it because I can quote your baseless slanders and lies for you and crush your accusation with a simple of war of attrition.  


People who believe that the lies they believe are truth are guilty nevertheless of spreading a lie.



That is incorrect.

If someone genuinely believes what they believe is Truth and defend it and uphold it as Truth, they can not be charged as a liar. They are simply misguided. A liar has to conciously know that "x" is not True in yet continues to choose to spread, uphold and masquerade "x" around as Truth knowing full well that such is not the case.


What drivel! When Satan lies to people and they believe it, it's the truth?

Hardly. You don't have to be aware of the lie to spread it.

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You are liar, with a bold faced caption, when you say that Catholics worship Mary. The reason you are a liar is because we have expalined to you that we don't and thus ignorance is no longer a viable excuse. We have given scriptural account of veneration precedented by an archangel of God. In yet his act of veneration is not worship but our repetition of that act is? That is why you are a liar.


If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck and quacks---it's a duck. It is worship.

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Mcless is a liar because he continuously states that the Papacy did not begin with St. Peter. I have provided every known historic document I can think of; every accreditted and validated historian from Eusebius, to St. Jerome, to St. Ignatius to even quoting the Acts of Peter which records in detail Peter's ministry after the ascension of Christ and I even reproduced the line of succession. However he still provides nothing but the impusles of his stomach and inner sanctum caused probably by indigestion. Ignorance is no longer a viable excuse for him. That is why he is a liar.


Fabricating history is still a lie, Buddy.

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Tinker is a liar because he has stated that the Catholic Church hates Sacred Scripture and wishes to destory it. I have provided the Truth that it was by the Catholic Johannes Gutenberg's printing press which was funded by the Catholic Church, that the Church began to print Bibles for private ownership. I have also provided evidence of the Catholic Church being the first to translate the Scripture into different languages with the intent of making the Word more assessible in a time where there were less than ten manuscripts in the world and dozens of languages that shelterd millions of faithful followers. He simply ignores the evidence and continues on.


Yet they hold to men's traditions over the word.

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Amo is liar because he continuously states the Papacy is the Beast and that the RCC changed the Sabbath. I have clarified to him that the Sabbath is still Saturday but the Church did indeed transfer the Day of Assembly and Worship to Sunday which was indeed the day Jesus Christ rose from the grave. In regards to the Beast, I have provided Scripture showing that the Beast is an Empire springing from a capital that rests completely on seven hills. Vatican City rests simply on one hill and thus does not meet the requisite to be such a dark force. Ignored and falsehood continued to be spread.


That is a matter of opinion, only.

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Larry was, and I don't know maybe still is, a liar for propagating that the Roman Catholic Church teaches that only Roman Catholics are saved. I have expalined and placed every quote taken out of its literature and historical context back into its proper and all I got was a "No that is not entirely accurate. I'm not sorry that I see the Truth". Whatever I'm over it but that's just the situation.


Literature? How about God's word? If you believed that, there would be no conflict.

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Chosenone was and/or is still a liar for propagating that Allah is some random false god. Islam is an Abrahamic religion which means that their "God", at leats in their hearts, is the God of Abraham. The God of Abraham is not some false god. Although the name Allah is one of 99 used to call out to the God of Abraham, which historically did apply to an old pagan sun god, the Muslims don't cry out to that god. They turn towards Mecca five times a day to cry out to the God of Abraham............... Sadly they cry out in vain because no one comes to Father except through His Son. The Name of the Lord Jesus Christ is the stamp that gets our prayers to Heaven. Only through that One Mediator and High Priest Christ can one truly worship God; only through the covering of His shed blood. Muslims don't have that but that doesn't mean they still don't try.


False. Allah is the name of their false god---an ancient moon deity (Satan in diguise!), re-crafted for this modern era to be palatable to those Islam wishes to spiritually defraud.

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I could go on but I think that's enough for now.


Yes, what a waste of time calling truth-tellers they are liars.



With your permission I'd like to post this ignorance freely on the web so that others may see the ignorance of adult protestants. I won't edit it. I want it to be exactly like it is. I'll provide every link for the sites I posts this, of course but yea I just want to see if all protestants are this uniformed.

You can call black white until you're blue in the face but it will never make it white. Just like you protestants can gather under your thousands of different gospels and call them all Truth but that will never make them True.

Do I have your permission?

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Re: Digging for the truth
« Reply #16 on: Mon May 02, 2011 - 15:49:59 »
Really guy? You've lied more times than I inhale in a day. Its genuinely mind boggling. When has Chester ever opened his mouth and lied quote it because I can quote your baseless slanders and lies for you and crush your accusation with a simple of war of attrition.  


People who believe that the lies they believe are truth are guilty nevertheless of spreading a lie.



That is incorrect.

If someone genuinely believes what they believe is Truth and defend it and uphold it as Truth, they can not be charged as a liar. They are simply misguided. A liar has to conciously know that "x" is not True in yet continues to choose to spread, uphold and masquerade "x" around as Truth knowing full well that such is not the case.


What drivel! When Satan lies to people and they believe it, it's the truth?

Hardly. You don't have to be aware of the lie to spread it.

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You are liar, with a bold faced caption, when you say that Catholics worship Mary. The reason you are a liar is because we have expalined to you that we don't and thus ignorance is no longer a viable excuse. We have given scriptural account of veneration precedented by an archangel of God. In yet his act of veneration is not worship but our repetition of that act is? That is why you are a liar.


If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck and quacks---it's a duck. It is worship.

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Mcless is a liar because he continuously states that the Papacy did not begin with St. Peter. I have provided every known historic document I can think of; every accreditted and validated historian from Eusebius, to St. Jerome, to St. Ignatius to even quoting the Acts of Peter which records in detail Peter's ministry after the ascension of Christ and I even reproduced the line of succession. However he still provides nothing but the impusles of his stomach and inner sanctum caused probably by indigestion. Ignorance is no longer a viable excuse for him. That is why he is a liar.


Fabricating history is still a lie, Buddy.

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Tinker is a liar because he has stated that the Catholic Church hates Sacred Scripture and wishes to destory it. I have provided the Truth that it was by the Catholic Johannes Gutenberg's printing press which was funded by the Catholic Church, that the Church began to print Bibles for private ownership. I have also provided evidence of the Catholic Church being the first to translate the Scripture into different languages with the intent of making the Word more assessible in a time where there were less than ten manuscripts in the world and dozens of languages that shelterd millions of faithful followers. He simply ignores the evidence and continues on.


Yet they hold to men's traditions over the word.

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Amo is liar because he continuously states the Papacy is the Beast and that the RCC changed the Sabbath. I have clarified to him that the Sabbath is still Saturday but the Church did indeed transfer the Day of Assembly and Worship to Sunday which was indeed the day Jesus Christ rose from the grave. In regards to the Beast, I have provided Scripture showing that the Beast is an Empire springing from a capital that rests completely on seven hills. Vatican City rests simply on one hill and thus does not meet the requisite to be such a dark force. Ignored and falsehood continued to be spread.


That is a matter of opinion, only.

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Larry was, and I don't know maybe still is, a liar for propagating that the Roman Catholic Church teaches that only Roman Catholics are saved. I have expalined and placed every quote taken out of its literature and historical context back into its proper and all I got was a "No that is not entirely accurate. I'm not sorry that I see the Truth". Whatever I'm over it but that's just the situation.


Literature? How about God's word? If you believed that, there would be no conflict.

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Chosenone was and/or is still a liar for propagating that Allah is some random false god. Islam is an Abrahamic religion which means that their "God", at leats in their hearts, is the God of Abraham. The God of Abraham is not some false god. Although the name Allah is one of 99 used to call out to the God of Abraham, which historically did apply to an old pagan sun god, the Muslims don't cry out to that god. They turn towards Mecca five times a day to cry out to the God of Abraham............... Sadly they cry out in vain because no one comes to Father except through His Son. The Name of the Lord Jesus Christ is the stamp that gets our prayers to Heaven. Only through that One Mediator and High Priest Christ can one truly worship God; only through the covering of His shed blood. Muslims don't have that but that doesn't mean they still don't try.


False. Allah is the name of their false god---an ancient moon deity (Satan in diguise!), re-crafted for this modern era to be palatable to those Islam wishes to spiritually defraud.

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I could go on but I think that's enough for now.


Yes, what a waste of time calling truth-tellers they are liars.



With your permission I'd like to post this ignorance freely on the web so that others may see the ignorance of adult protestants. I won't edit it. I want it to be exactly like it is. I'll provide every link for the sites I posts this, of course but yea I just want to see if all protestants are this uniformed.

You can call black white until you're blue in the face but it will never make it white. Just like you protestants can gather under your thousands of different gospels and call them all Truth but that will never make them True.

Do I have your permission?


Go for it. I welcome any opportunity for the voice of truth to be heard, even if it is mocked, but please remove the Photobucket image.
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« Reply #17 on: Mon May 02, 2011 - 16:10:46 »
I rest my case ::shrug:: Liar Liar You tell lies. You think us all liars.
How ever the point in the original post is not a lie yet you will discount it as a lie because you do not want to except it as truth.

Who is a liar then. The one who tells truth that others don't want to believe? Did not our Lord face this same thing? You can call me a liar all day long if you want to, but you will stop short that scripture lies.

You either except scripture as true and is instruction for the believer or you don't. if you then say that you believe it is truth yet deny the scripture that the lord says in prayer that we are to be separate and have no part with the world.

What did the Lord mean when he prayed for the disciples " I pray not for the world" This is such an important subject that it is throughout scripture. do you dare fuff it off and call everyone a liar.

Is my article a lie. Did i lie about anything, about scripture or the Vatican's relationship with the world which is so obvious a blind man could see it?
 
Poitout the lies and back them up.


Man you heard what I said. I didn't say everything you say was a lie. I clearly gave an example of your lies which you smartly didn't even address.

Take your shifting falsehoods to a crowd thats illiterate and dumbfounded.


Then  you are saying thatwhat I was saying is not a lie. Right

You see i could care less what you think I am. This is not about me. This is about truth here and who should have the Glory for that. It belongs to the Lord.

This article sat 2 days with out a response and very few readers but look at it now. Calling me a liar accomplished nothing but only served to show your colors.

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« Reply #18 on: Mon May 02, 2011 - 16:32:16 »
Now that you say you believe what i said is true you have become accountable to that. What are Catholics going  to with it? Hide from God? Keep on shifting and skirting around it by calling everyone liars. Ignore it and keep on saying baseless things. Business as usual.

This is why I have said do we really believe what we say we believe or do we just say we do


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« Reply #19 on: Mon May 02, 2011 - 16:39:02 »
I rest my case ::shrug:: Liar Liar You tell lies. You think us all liars.
How ever the point in the original post is not a lie yet you will discount it as a lie because you do not want to except it as truth.

Who is a liar then. The one who tells truth that others don't want to believe? Did not our Lord face this same thing? You can call me a liar all day long if you want to, but you will stop short that scripture lies.

You either except scripture as true and is instruction for the believer or you don't. if you then say that you believe it is truth yet deny the scripture that the lord says in prayer that we are to be separate and have no part with the world.

What did the Lord mean when he prayed for the disciples " I pray not for the world" This is such an important subject that it is throughout scripture. do you dare fuff it off and call everyone a liar.

Is my article a lie. Did i lie about anything, about scripture or the Vatican's relationship with the world which is so obvious a blind man could see it?
 
Poitout the lies and back them up.


Man you heard what I said. I didn't say everything you say was a lie. I clearly gave an example of your lies which you smartly didn't even address.

Take your shifting falsehoods to a crowd thats illiterate and dumbfounded.


Then  you are saying thatwhat I was saying is not a lie. Right

You see i could care less what you think I am. This is not about me. This is about truth here and who should have the Glory for that. It belongs to the Lord.

This article sat 2 days with out a response and very few readers but look at it now. Calling me a liar accomplished nothing but only served to show your colors.


What are talking about? Like I'm genuinely wondering?

Go back and reread and produce where I even so much as addressed your article.

Look at my firts response, my second and all my subsequent responses there after and tell me where you get even a hint of a clue that I said anything about your article.

I was talking about you as a person and your overall posts in the Catholic Forum. I will never call a protestant a liar because they differ in doctrine. Thats not my definition of liar. You are a liar because you continuously lie about history and falsify what the Catholic Church is and does even after you are explained the Truth.

I haven't even read your article to be honest.


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« Reply #20 on: Mon May 02, 2011 - 17:31:56 »
I rest my case ::shrug:: Liar Liar You tell lies. You think us all liars.
How ever the point in the original post is not a lie yet you will discount it as a lie because you do not want to except it as truth.

Who is a liar then. The one who tells truth that others don't want to believe? Did not our Lord face this same thing? You can call me a liar all day long if you want to, but you will stop short that scripture lies.

You either except scripture as true and is instruction for the believer or you don't. if you then say that you believe it is truth yet deny the scripture that the lord says in prayer that we are to be separate and have no part with the world.

What did the Lord mean when he prayed for the disciples " I pray not for the world" This is such an important subject that it is throughout scripture. do you dare fuff it off and call everyone a liar.

Is my article a lie. Did i lie about anything, about scripture or the Vatican's relationship with the world which is so obvious a blind man could see it?
 
Poitout the lies and back them up.


Man you heard what I said. I didn't say everything you say was a lie. I clearly gave an example of your lies which you smartly didn't even address.

Take your shifting falsehoods to a crowd thats illiterate and dumbfounded.


Then  you are saying thatwhat I was saying is not a lie. Right

You see i could care less what you think I am. This is not about me. This is about truth here and who should have the Glory for that. It belongs to the Lord.

This article sat 2 days with out a response and very few readers but look at it now. Calling me a liar accomplished nothing but only served to show your colors.


What are talking about? Like I'm genuinely wondering?

Go back and reread and produce where I even so much as addressed your article.

Look at my firts response, my second and all my subsequent responses there after and tell me where you get even a hint of a clue that I said anything about your article.

I was talking about you as a person and your overall posts in the Catholic Forum. I will never call a protestant a liar because they differ in doctrine. Thats not my definition of liar. You are a liar because you continuously lie about history and falsify what the Catholic Church is and does even after you are explained the Truth.

I haven't even read your article to be honest.



I like the way you make up your own rules and definitions when even you it becomes convenient.   ::headscratch::
Whats the matter afraid to read. Changes nothing. I think you know what it was about. Truth is what matters and in the end we will all be accountable to it whether we have read it or not. The opportunity is there and you are not the only one on this board. Again nothing here is about me. You still have accomplished nothing by any of your remarks

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« Reply #21 on: Mon May 02, 2011 - 17:52:45 »
I rest my case ::shrug:: Liar Liar You tell lies. You think us all liars.
 
 

Not all of you, just those who consistently and repeatedly lie about the Church Jesus started.

We point out what the Church actually teaches, yet you continue to lie about the Church.

It makes it clear for all to see that you are defending your own personal dogma rather than pursuing truth.

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Amo is liar because he continuously states the Papacy is the Beast and that the RCC changed the Sabbath. I have clarified to him that the Sabbath is still Saturday but the Church did indeed transfer the Day of Assembly and Worship to Sunday which was indeed the day Jesus Christ rose from the grave. In regards to the Beast, I have provided Scripture showing that the Beast is an Empire springing from a capital that rests completely on seven hills. Vatican City rests simply on one hill and thus does not meet the requisite to be such a dark force. Ignored and falsehood continued to be spread.

Actually, I say there are seven beasts of biblical prophecy.  The Papacy of the dark ages was one of them, and she will rise again to be the last one also on a global scale.  You say I am liar, millions of others of the past have agreed with me, and millions do today also.  Regarding the change of the Sabbath, you say I am a liar, but the statements of far more prominent Roman Catholics than yourself, speak otherwise.  You simply ignore such statements, will not even ever address them, and call me a liar.  Oh well.

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« Reply #23 on: Mon May 02, 2011 - 21:00:07 »
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Amo is liar because he continuously states the Papacy is the Beast and that the RCC changed the Sabbath. I have clarified to him that the Sabbath is still Saturday but the Church did indeed transfer the Day of Assembly and Worship to Sunday which was indeed the day Jesus Christ rose from the grave. In regards to the Beast, I have provided Scripture showing that the Beast is an Empire springing from a capital that rests completely on seven hills. Vatican City rests simply on one hill and thus does not meet the requisite to be such a dark force. Ignored and falsehood continued to be spread.

Actually, I say there are seven beasts of biblical prophecy.  The Papacy of the dark ages was one of them, and she will rise again to be the last one also on a global scale.  You say I am liar, millions of others of the past have agreed with me, and millions do today also.  Regarding the change of the Sabbath, you say I am a liar, but the statements of far more prominent Roman Catholics than yourself, speak otherwise.  You simply ignore such statements, will not even ever address them, and call me a liar.  Oh well.

You know I'm tired of you saying that. I do too address your heresies. I address them with Scripture alone and history as you do. For the millions who have agreed with you there are double on my side thr side of Truth. I will not recant calling you a liar because its what you are. You have yet to even acknowledge that Vatican City is built on one hill and not the seven required to be a Roman Beast and simply quote other sources although Sacred Scripture frees my Church from your claim with this simple requisite.

Make a thread about it. Make it anywhere you like. I'll deal address your positions although I'm positive you will disregard the obvious fact Vatican City is built on one hill and not seven.

And for all the others who were rubbed the wrong way because I used you as examples of what a liar really is save the remarks unless you're ready to back them up.

I have no interest in falsifying another's beliefs so if you say what I have presented is wrong you better be ready to go the extra mile to validate such because I take honesty very seriously.

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Amo is liar because he continuously states the Papacy is the Beast and that the RCC changed the Sabbath. I have clarified to him that the Sabbath is still Saturday but the Church did indeed transfer the Day of Assembly and Worship to Sunday which was indeed the day Jesus Christ rose from the grave. In regards to the Beast, I have provided Scripture showing that the Beast is an Empire springing from a capital that rests completely on seven hills. Vatican City rests simply on one hill and thus does not meet the requisite to be such a dark force. Ignored and falsehood continued to be spread.

Actually, I say there are seven beasts of biblical prophecy.  The Papacy of the dark ages was one of them, and she will rise again to be the last one also on a global scale.  You say I am liar, millions of others of the past have agreed with me, and millions do today also.  Regarding the change of the Sabbath, you say I am a liar, but the statements of far more prominent Roman Catholics than yourself, speak otherwise.  You simply ignore such statements, will not even ever address them, and call me a liar.  Oh well.

You know I'm tired of you saying that. I do too address your heresies. I address them with Scripture alone and history as you do. For the millions who have agreed with you there are double on my side thr side of Truth. I will not recant calling you a liar because its what you are. You have yet to even acknowledge that Vatican City is built on one hill and not the seven required to be a Roman Beast and simply quote other sources although Sacred Scripture frees my Church from your claim with this simple requisite.

Make a thread about it. Make it anywhere you like. I'll deal address your positions although I'm positive you will disregard the obvious fact Vatican City is built on one hill and not seven.

And for all the others who were rubbed the wrong way because I used you as examples of what a liar really is save the remarks unless you're ready to back them up.

I have no interest in falsifying another's beliefs so if you say what I have presented is wrong you better be ready to go the extra mile to validate such because I take honesty very seriously.


No aregument about Vatican city being one hill. t is a geological fact that Rome is on seven hills and the vatican sits on one of them And yes the are other cities on seven hills.

Rev 17 Is very unique though in that it describes a Woman called the Great Harlot and it has certain collective things to identify it that will not fit any other location This would be another thread though.

In this thread I want to stay on track. I posted The prayer of Jesus for the disciples. I want to look at it again.

9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine. 10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are. 12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled. 13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves. 14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. 16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. 18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world. 19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctifieda through the truth.
. Jn 17:9-19


My point from the beginning is the Vatican's obvious relationship to the world that goes against the Lords clear commandment to be separate from it. You always dodge the issue to run us down every rabbit trail to avoid it. I challenge you to address it.

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Re: Digging for the truth
« Reply #25 on: Tue May 03, 2011 - 08:31:32 »

My point from the beginning is the Vatican's obvious relationship to the world that goes against the Lords clear commandment to be separate from it. You always dodge the issue to run us down every rabbit trail to avoid it. I challenge you to address it.

This is the Catholic Church's mission:

Matt 28:19
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

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Re: Digging for the truth
« Reply #26 on: Tue May 03, 2011 - 08:42:01 »
I have already addresses your petty challenge. It doesn't hold water so I won't waste time and thought making a new statement.



And Mclees our duty as the Church is to the world.

Christ called us the Light of the World. It is our duty to shed the light of the Gospel on the world. To immerse ourselves in the trenches of this sin infested world penetrating every gathering and bringing the knowledge of the Gospel to all mankind. There should be no corner where the Light does not reach.

That is the spirit and mandate of evangelism.



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« Reply #27 on: Tue May 03, 2011 - 08:59:10 »
I have already addresses your petty challenge. It doesn't hold water so I won't waste time and thought making a new statement.



And Mclees our duty as the Church is to the world.

Christ called us the Light of the World. It is our duty to shed the light of the Gospel on the world. To immerse ourselves in the trenches of this sin infested world penetrating every gathering and bringing the knowledge of the Gospel to all mankind. There should be no corner where the Light does not reach.

That is the spirit and mandate of evangelism.




As i already stated
I said the world politics though necessary is always  a  part of the worlds corrupt system. It is antichrist  and Jesus was not any part of it. Catholica said we must use every avenue to reach the world for Christ . Jesus said we are a light that shines in the darkness. As lights of Christ we dispel the dark You don’t join the dark to make dark light. There is a lot that is evil in this world. Did Jesus say become evil or join to it to make  evil good?

The Lords mandate is to be separate from the world not in bed with it. Why do you always ignore his commandments. Evangelism was always a mandate and the church stood for over three hundred yeas with out being in the world politics.

What did Jesus mean "I pray not for the world" This subject of separation is from Genesis to Revelation. Without separation you can not even be saved. so what was Jesus being so emphatic about

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« Reply #28 on: Tue May 03, 2011 - 09:13:43 »
I have already addresses your petty challenge. It doesn't hold water so I won't waste time and thought making a new statement.



And Mclees our duty as the Church is to the world.

Christ called us the Light of the World. It is our duty to shed the light of the Gospel on the world. To immerse ourselves in the trenches of this sin infested world penetrating every gathering and bringing the knowledge of the Gospel to all mankind. There should be no corner where the Light does not reach.

That is the spirit and mandate of evangelism.




As i already stated
I said the world politics though necessary is always  a  part of the worlds corrupt system. It is antichrist  and Jesus was not any part of it. Catholica said we must use every avenue to reach the world for Christ . Jesus said we are a light that shines in the darkness. As lights of Christ we dispel the dark You don’t join the dark to make dark light. There is a lot that is evil in this world. Did Jesus say become evil or join to it to make  evil good?

The Lords mandate is to be separate from the world not in bed with it. Why do you always ignore his commandments. Evangelism was always a mandate and the church stood for over three hundred yeas with out being in the world politics.

What did Jesus mean "I pray not for the world" This subject of separation is from Genesis to Revelation. Without separation you can not even be saved. so what was Jesus being so emphatic about


The Catholic Church is the body of Christ.  Some Christians remain in less than perfect communion with the body of Christ, but the Church will fulfill it's mission by God's grace:


This is the Catholic Church's mission:

Matt 28:19
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

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« Reply #29 on: Tue May 03, 2011 - 09:20:08 »
I have already addresses your petty challenge. It doesn't hold water so I won't waste time and thought making a new statement.



And Mclees our duty as the Church is to the world.

Christ called us the Light of the World. It is our duty to shed the light of the Gospel on the world. To immerse ourselves in the trenches of this sin infested world penetrating every gathering and bringing the knowledge of the Gospel to all mankind. There should be no corner where the Light does not reach.

That is the spirit and mandate of evangelism.




As i already stated
I said the world politics though necessary is always  a  part of the worlds corrupt system. It is antichrist  and Jesus was not any part of it. Catholica said we must use every avenue to reach the world for Christ . Jesus said we are a light that shines in the darkness. As lights of Christ we dispel the dark You don’t join the dark to make dark light. There is a lot that is evil in this world. Did Jesus say become evil or join to it to make  evil good?

The Lords mandate is to be separate from the world not in bed with it. Why do you always ignore his commandments. Evangelism was always a mandate and the church stood for over three hundred yeas with out being in the world politics.

What did Jesus mean "I pray not for the world" This subject of separation is from Genesis to Revelation. Without separation you can not even be saved. so what was Jesus being so emphatic about


The Catholic Church is the body of Christ.  Some Christians remain in less than perfect communion with the body of Christ, but the Church will fulfill it's mission by God's grace:


This is the Catholic Church's mission:

Matt 28:19
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."


What makes you think this scripture justifies being in bed with the world. Making disciples of all nations means to go into all nations and preach the gospel. not be in the worlds politics

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« Reply #30 on: Tue May 03, 2011 - 09:22:18 »
I have already addresses your petty challenge. It doesn't hold water so I won't waste time and thought making a new statement.



And Mclees our duty as the Church is to the world.

Christ called us the Light of the World. It is our duty to shed the light of the Gospel on the world. To immerse ourselves in the trenches of this sin infested world penetrating every gathering and bringing the knowledge of the Gospel to all mankind. There should be no corner where the Light does not reach.

That is the spirit and mandate of evangelism.




As i already stated
I said the world politics though necessary is always  a  part of the worlds corrupt system. It is antichrist  and Jesus was not any part of it. Catholica said we must use every avenue to reach the world for Christ . Jesus said we are a light that shines in the darkness. As lights of Christ we dispel the dark You don’t join the dark to make dark light. There is a lot that is evil in this world. Did Jesus say become evil or join to it to make  evil good?

The Lords mandate is to be separate from the world not in bed with it. Why do you always ignore his commandments. Evangelism was always a mandate and the church stood for over three hundred yeas with out being in the world politics.

What did Jesus mean "I pray not for the world" This subject of separation is from Genesis to Revelation. Without separation you can not even be saved. so what was Jesus being so emphatic about

The Lord's mandate is for us to be foregin soldiers charging through this world bringing illumination as the Light of the World.

Christ was saying that we are to be His emissaries to this world. To be His ambassadors stationed in this world. To be in the world and not of it.

Contrary to your lies, Mclees the Roman Catholic Church is not of this world. You know I whoop your butt with evidence in this matter everytime so when you step come correct. The Catholic Church itself was established by the apostles who were commissioned by Christ. Period.

Politics is a blanket term but I'm assuming you mean world politics and government yes? How naive. How can you assert a claim of antichrist over the entirety of the governing bodies in the world.

What does Written Tradition teach us, Mclees?

Ephesians 6:11Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

 12For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.


Look carefully. Its not the "high places" thats our target its "the wickedness in those high places". The "high places" refers to positions of authority i.e. government. Government isn't corrupt just because its government. Government is corrupt when and only when it suffers wickedness to compromise it. God's firtborn son was the Israel and Israel became a soverign nation of this world. A kingdom with its own laws, police force, head of state, economy and miltary force. Israel didn't become corrupt just because it was nation that had international connections and a foreign policy?

The Nation of Israel was in the world but she was not of it. The exact same is of the the Roman Catholic Church and the Vatican. The exact same.

For that matter you're a protestant right? Don't you guys believe that in the new millinieum Christ will return as a conquerer and reign on the Earth as King before the final battle? Wait Christ is going to be reigning from an earthly "high place" isn't that an oxymoron? If government is antichrist just for being government, regardless if the majority of its leaders are God fearing born again Christians, then how is that Christ reigns from such a place? According to your doctrine, based on a limited thought process, Christ being at the head of some world government woud be the equivalent of Him reigning from the throne of hell.

Do you see how your theory crumbles when you sit back and actually think. "High places" aren't antichrist just because their "high places". Their antichrist when wickedness is assimilated into them and Christ charged us to be soldiers against that wcikedness not against the "high places".

How baseless.  
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« Reply #31 on: Tue May 03, 2011 - 09:41:24 »
I have already addresses your petty challenge. It doesn't hold water so I won't waste time and thought making a new statement.



And Mclees our duty as the Church is to the world.

Christ called us the Light of the World. It is our duty to shed the light of the Gospel on the world. To immerse ourselves in the trenches of this sin infested world penetrating every gathering and bringing the knowledge of the Gospel to all mankind. There should be no corner where the Light does not reach.

That is the spirit and mandate of evangelism.




As i already stated
I said the world politics though necessary is always  a  part of the worlds corrupt system. It is antichrist  and Jesus was not any part of it. Catholica said we must use every avenue to reach the world for Christ . Jesus said we are a light that shines in the darkness. As lights of Christ we dispel the dark You don’t join the dark to make dark light. There is a lot that is evil in this world. Did Jesus say become evil or join to it to make  evil good?

The Lords mandate is to be separate from the world not in bed with it. Why do you always ignore his commandments. Evangelism was always a mandate and the church stood for over three hundred yeas with out being in the world politics.

What did Jesus mean "I pray not for the world" This subject of separation is from Genesis to Revelation. Without separation you can not even be saved. so what was Jesus being so emphatic about

The Lord's mandate is for us to be foregin soldiers charging through this world bringing illumination as the Light of the World.

Christ was saying that we are to be His emissaries to this world. To be His ambassadors stationed in this world. To be in the world and not of it.

Contrary to your lies, Mclees the Roman Catholic Church is not of this world. You know I whoop your butt with evidence in this matter everytime so when you step come correct. The Catholic Church itself was established by the apostles who were commissioned by Christ. Period.

Politics is a blanket term but I'm assuming you mean world politics and government yes? How naive. How can you assert a claim of antichrist over the entirety of the governing bodies in the world.

What does Written Tradition teach us, Mclees?

Ephesians 6:11Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

 12For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.


Look carefully. Its not the "high places" thats our target its "the wickedness in those high places". The "high places" refers to positions of authority i.e. government. Government isn't corrupt just because its government. Government is corrupt when and only when it suffers wickedness to compromise it. God's firtborn son was the Israel and Israel became a soverign nation of this world. A kingdom with its own laws, police force, head of state, economy and miltary force. Israel didn't become corrupt just because it was nation that had international connections and a foreign policy?

The Nation of Israel was in the world but she was not of it. The exact same is of the the Roman Catholic Church and the Vatican. The exact same.

For that matter you're a protestant right? Don't you guys believe that in the new millinieum Christ will return as a conquerer and reign on the Earth as King before the final battle? Wait Christ is going to be reigning from an earthly "high place" isn't that an oxymoron? If government is antichrist just for being government, regardless if the majority of its leaders are God fearing born again Christians, then how is that Christ reigns from such a place? According to your doctrine, based on a limited thought process, Christ being at the head of some world government woud be the equivalent of Him reigning from the throne of hell.

Do you see how your theory crumbles when you sit back and actually think. "High places" aren't antichrist just because their "high places". Their antichrist when wickedness is assimilated into them and Christ charged us to be soldiers against that wcikedness not against the "high places".

How baseless.  


Well judging from your gross misuse of scripture and your worldly understanding Im glad i don't have to listen to you as one of his emissaries.

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« Reply #32 on: Tue May 03, 2011 - 09:58:22 »
Typical. Pick up the shattered pieces of your falsehood and leave.

And as for misuse of Sacred Scripture turn about and gaze upon the desolation of thousands upon thousands of conflicting "Bible-Truths" protestantism has forged.

The Catholic Church has bled more for Sacred Scripture than any that walk this Earth. We know the Word and uphold it in its entirety.

If you believe what you like in the Gospels but reject what you don't like it is not the Gospel you believe in but yourself"


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« Reply #33 on: Tue May 03, 2011 - 10:02:50 »
And as for misuse of Sacred Scripture turn about and gaze upon the desolation of thousands upon thousands of conflicting "Bible-Truths" protestantism has forged.

The Catholic Church has bled more for Sacred Scripture than any that walk this Earth. We know the Word and uphold it in its entirety.

Satan could not of said this better himself...deceit and lies is his forte ::smile::

Guess I am not through with you...

Hope you don't mind ::smile::


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« Reply #34 on: Tue May 03, 2011 - 10:56:35 »
No I don't mind anymore. God suffers your kind to exist.

I'm not shocked that you liken stating the facts Satanic. Protestantism isn't really rooted in anything other than the reasoning of man. That reasoning often contradicts reality, Truth, fact. When you guys place your inner sanctums as the inspiration of the Holy Spirit everything that contradicts you automatically personifies the embodiment of evil.

Light becomes dakness. Truth becomes what your stomach tells you instead of what God reveals.

 

     
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