Digging for the truth
In another thread that was deleted we were discussing statements that I made and I know longer have all that was challenged., but the jest of the conversation was about the Vatican’s true purpose being in and of the world. I said the world politics though necessary is always a part of the worlds corrupt system. It is antichrist and Jesus was not any part of it. Catholica said we must use every avenue to reach the world for Christ . Jesus said we are a light that shines in the darkness. As lights of Christ we dispel the dark You don’t join the dark to make dark light. There is a lot that is evil in this world. Did Jesus say become evil or join to it to make evil good?
We talked about religion and I said that Jesus was not about religion, and that it is just another part of the world, to which Catholica said God gave us religion. He referred to James 1:27 to say I was wrong. We needed to define the verse.
Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
This verse really defines it self. And backs what I have said. We must clarify what is worldly religion, and that which God says is pure undefiled and unspotted by the world.
It is defined by love and compassion and not outward forms of being religious or like the other religions of the world. Being unspotted by the world speaks of not being a part of it as to be in league with it. This is, that as believers who comprise the church which includes its leadership are commanded by Christ to be separate and not of the world This truth is from Genesis to Revelation. So why is the Vatican in league with it?
Selene says I have no proof, no evidence. I said we don’t have to prove what we already know. I don’t have to prove the Vatican is in bed with the worlds politics. This is already well know even by Catholics. Getting back to separation I used 2 scripture which are only two of many.
2nd cor 6:17,18 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? 16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, 18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.#
I also posted The lords prayer for the disciples which includes the apostles that are our teaching authority. It includes those who say they are our teaching authority today
9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine. 10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are. 12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled. 13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves. 14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. 16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. 18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world. 19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified# through the truth.
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; 21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. 22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: 23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world. 25 # O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me. 26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.
Please study the words of this prayer carefully. Look at the first sentence, he says I pray not for the world. Why would he say that? Hello! The unbelieving world and its systems is antichrist.
Jesus mentions the world 12 times in this prayer. Declaring that while as believer being in the world we were not to be of it. This he said to our leaders of the church. Not to put any faith in it or its politics or its religions, its philosophy its ways or of its corruptions. Yet we know that that the Vatican is in all of this
So the question came to me do we believe the Lord in his word or do we just say we do. Are we playing some religious game? Use the word for some convenience
During our earlier dialogue I said Jesus was not about world politics or its religions, (And I quote my words) “ but he was about calling a people unto Himself out of the world and the coming judgment