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Re: Digging for the truth
« Reply #30 on: May 03, 2011, 08:22:18 AM »
I have already addresses your petty challenge. It doesn't hold water so I won't waste time and thought making a new statement.



And Mclees our duty as the Church is to the world.

Christ called us the Light of the World. It is our duty to shed the light of the Gospel on the world. To immerse ourselves in the trenches of this sin infested world penetrating every gathering and bringing the knowledge of the Gospel to all mankind. There should be no corner where the Light does not reach.

That is the spirit and mandate of evangelism.




As i already stated
I said the world politics though necessary is always  a  part of the worlds corrupt system. It is antichrist  and Jesus was not any part of it. Catholica said we must use every avenue to reach the world for Christ . Jesus said we are a light that shines in the darkness. As lights of Christ we dispel the dark You don’t join the dark to make dark light. There is a lot that is evil in this world. Did Jesus say become evil or join to it to make  evil good?

The Lords mandate is to be separate from the world not in bed with it. Why do you always ignore his commandments. Evangelism was always a mandate and the church stood for over three hundred yeas with out being in the world politics.

What did Jesus mean "I pray not for the world" This subject of separation is from Genesis to Revelation. Without separation you can not even be saved. so what was Jesus being so emphatic about

The Lord's mandate is for us to be foregin soldiers charging through this world bringing illumination as the Light of the World.

Christ was saying that we are to be His emissaries to this world. To be His ambassadors stationed in this world. To be in the world and not of it.

Contrary to your lies, Mclees the Roman Catholic Church is not of this world. You know I whoop your butt with evidence in this matter everytime so when you step come correct. The Catholic Church itself was established by the apostles who were commissioned by Christ. Period.

Politics is a blanket term but I'm assuming you mean world politics and government yes? How naive. How can you assert a claim of antichrist over the entirety of the governing bodies in the world.

What does Written Tradition teach us, Mclees?

Ephesians 6:11Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

 12For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.


Look carefully. Its not the "high places" thats our target its "the wickedness in those high places". The "high places" refers to positions of authority i.e. government. Government isn't corrupt just because its government. Government is corrupt when and only when it suffers wickedness to compromise it. God's firtborn son was the Israel and Israel became a soverign nation of this world. A kingdom with its own laws, police force, head of state, economy and miltary force. Israel didn't become corrupt just because it was nation that had international connections and a foreign policy?

The Nation of Israel was in the world but she was not of it. The exact same is of the the Roman Catholic Church and the Vatican. The exact same.

For that matter you're a protestant right? Don't you guys believe that in the new millinieum Christ will return as a conquerer and reign on the Earth as King before the final battle? Wait Christ is going to be reigning from an earthly "high place" isn't that an oxymoron? If government is antichrist just for being government, regardless if the majority of its leaders are God fearing born again Christians, then how is that Christ reigns from such a place? According to your doctrine, based on a limited thought process, Christ being at the head of some world government woud be the equivalent of Him reigning from the throne of hell.

Do you see how your theory crumbles when you sit back and actually think. "High places" aren't antichrist just because their "high places". Their antichrist when wickedness is assimilated into them and Christ charged us to be soldiers against that wcikedness not against the "high places".

How baseless.  
« Last Edit: May 03, 2011, 08:30:38 AM by LightHammer »
"For they needs must seek some support,  since they have fallen from the foundation of the Apostles and have no settled mind of their own, and if they can find none, then they malign the fathers. But no one will believe them any more even if they make efforts to libel them, for their heresy is condemned on all hands." St. Athanasius of Alexandria

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Re: Digging for the truth
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Re: Digging for the truth
« Reply #31 on: May 03, 2011, 08:41:24 AM »
I have already addresses your petty challenge. It doesn't hold water so I won't waste time and thought making a new statement.



And Mclees our duty as the Church is to the world.

Christ called us the Light of the World. It is our duty to shed the light of the Gospel on the world. To immerse ourselves in the trenches of this sin infested world penetrating every gathering and bringing the knowledge of the Gospel to all mankind. There should be no corner where the Light does not reach.

That is the spirit and mandate of evangelism.




As i already stated
I said the world politics though necessary is always  a  part of the worlds corrupt system. It is antichrist  and Jesus was not any part of it. Catholica said we must use every avenue to reach the world for Christ . Jesus said we are a light that shines in the darkness. As lights of Christ we dispel the dark You don’t join the dark to make dark light. There is a lot that is evil in this world. Did Jesus say become evil or join to it to make  evil good?

The Lords mandate is to be separate from the world not in bed with it. Why do you always ignore his commandments. Evangelism was always a mandate and the church stood for over three hundred yeas with out being in the world politics.

What did Jesus mean "I pray not for the world" This subject of separation is from Genesis to Revelation. Without separation you can not even be saved. so what was Jesus being so emphatic about

The Lord's mandate is for us to be foregin soldiers charging through this world bringing illumination as the Light of the World.

Christ was saying that we are to be His emissaries to this world. To be His ambassadors stationed in this world. To be in the world and not of it.

Contrary to your lies, Mclees the Roman Catholic Church is not of this world. You know I whoop your butt with evidence in this matter everytime so when you step come correct. The Catholic Church itself was established by the apostles who were commissioned by Christ. Period.

Politics is a blanket term but I'm assuming you mean world politics and government yes? How naive. How can you assert a claim of antichrist over the entirety of the governing bodies in the world.

What does Written Tradition teach us, Mclees?

Ephesians 6:11Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

 12For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.


Look carefully. Its not the "high places" thats our target its "the wickedness in those high places". The "high places" refers to positions of authority i.e. government. Government isn't corrupt just because its government. Government is corrupt when and only when it suffers wickedness to compromise it. God's firtborn son was the Israel and Israel became a soverign nation of this world. A kingdom with its own laws, police force, head of state, economy and miltary force. Israel didn't become corrupt just because it was nation that had international connections and a foreign policy?

The Nation of Israel was in the world but she was not of it. The exact same is of the the Roman Catholic Church and the Vatican. The exact same.

For that matter you're a protestant right? Don't you guys believe that in the new millinieum Christ will return as a conquerer and reign on the Earth as King before the final battle? Wait Christ is going to be reigning from an earthly "high place" isn't that an oxymoron? If government is antichrist just for being government, regardless if the majority of its leaders are God fearing born again Christians, then how is that Christ reigns from such a place? According to your doctrine, based on a limited thought process, Christ being at the head of some world government woud be the equivalent of Him reigning from the throne of hell.

Do you see how your theory crumbles when you sit back and actually think. "High places" aren't antichrist just because their "high places". Their antichrist when wickedness is assimilated into them and Christ charged us to be soldiers against that wcikedness not against the "high places".

How baseless.  


Well judging from your gross misuse of scripture and your worldly understanding Im glad i don't have to listen to you as one of his emissaries.

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Re: Digging for the truth
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Re: Digging for the truth
« Reply #32 on: May 03, 2011, 08:58:22 AM »
Typical. Pick up the shattered pieces of your falsehood and leave.

And as for misuse of Sacred Scripture turn about and gaze upon the desolation of thousands upon thousands of conflicting "Bible-Truths" protestantism has forged.

The Catholic Church has bled more for Sacred Scripture than any that walk this Earth. We know the Word and uphold it in its entirety.

If you believe what you like in the Gospels but reject what you don't like it is not the Gospel you believe in but yourself"

"For they needs must seek some support,  since they have fallen from the foundation of the Apostles and have no settled mind of their own, and if they can find none, then they malign the fathers. But no one will believe them any more even if they make efforts to libel them, for their heresy is condemned on all hands." St. Athanasius of Alexandria

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Re: Digging for the truth
« Reply #33 on: May 03, 2011, 09:02:50 AM »
And as for misuse of Sacred Scripture turn about and gaze upon the desolation of thousands upon thousands of conflicting "Bible-Truths" protestantism has forged.

The Catholic Church has bled more for Sacred Scripture than any that walk this Earth. We know the Word and uphold it in its entirety.

Satan could not of said this better himself...deceit and lies is his forte ::smile::

Guess I am not through with you...

Hope you don't mind ::smile::

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Re: Digging for the truth
« Reply #34 on: May 03, 2011, 09:56:35 AM »
No I don't mind anymore. God suffers your kind to exist.

I'm not shocked that you liken stating the facts Satanic. Protestantism isn't really rooted in anything other than the reasoning of man. That reasoning often contradicts reality, Truth, fact. When you guys place your inner sanctums as the inspiration of the Holy Spirit everything that contradicts you automatically personifies the embodiment of evil.

Light becomes dakness. Truth becomes what your stomach tells you instead of what God reveals.
"For they needs must seek some support,  since they have fallen from the foundation of the Apostles and have no settled mind of their own, and if they can find none, then they malign the fathers. But no one will believe them any more even if they make efforts to libel them, for their heresy is condemned on all hands." St. Athanasius of Alexandria

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Re: Digging for the truth
« Reply #35 on: May 03, 2011, 10:04:00 AM »
No I don't mind anymore. God suffers your kind to exist.

I'm not shocked that you liken stating the facts Satanic. Protestantism isn't really rooted in anything other than the reasoning of man. That reasoning often contradicts reality, Truth, fact. When you guys place your inner sanctums as the inspiration of the Holy Spirit everything that contradicts you automatically personifies the embodiment of evil.

Light becomes dakness. Truth becomes what your stomach tells you instead of what God reveals.

The Holy Spirit reveals exactly as the Bible states; anything else is not truth...rather a lie from satan.

The Spirit is the sword of the Bible...I only trust what the Bible reveals; nothing from the gut of man.   The Word of God reveals Jesus; the cross of Christ, redemption, sanctification...eternal life through Jesus and Him alone.  Jesus is the narrow door...the only way to eternal life.

A church that claims a different path is not from God...

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« Reply #36 on: May 03, 2011, 10:29:30 AM »
You would fit in just fine in a Catholic Church, then.
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« Reply #37 on: May 03, 2011, 10:46:44 AM »
You would fit in just fine in a Catholic Church, then.

I could never glorify anyone or anything; only my Savior Jesus Christ.

Think about it...a pope becomes a saint based on 2 miracles (I think)...through prayers that are substantiated of someone that is healed.  Ok, so there are say 1 billion Catholics praying, asking their dead pope to relay their need to God.  And based on two answered prayers...the guy becomes a saint ::frown::....and the glory goes to him.

Am I wrong?

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« Reply #38 on: May 03, 2011, 11:01:53 AM »
Yes you are wrong. The pope receives no glory. Glory alone goes to God. He is venerated. Also the miracles are not because of some alleged power protestants claim we think the Pope has. The prayers of the pope that petition miracles which God performs are what we honor.

Finally the Pope is not made saint by canonization. Saints are born again christians period. Canonization makes him an honored saint. Every christian is a saint but not every saint is honored and remembered.  


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« Reply #39 on: May 03, 2011, 11:22:10 AM »
Yes you are wrong. The pope receives no glory. Glory alone goes to God. He is venerated. Also the miracles are because of some alleged power the Pope has. The prayers of the pope that petition miracles which God performs are what we honor.

Finally the Pope is not made saint by canonization. Saints are born again christians period. Canonization makes him an honored saint. Every christian is a saint but not every saint is honored and remembered. 

Ok...just so I understand; you as Catholics, will pray/petition silently or do you say your prayers/petitions loud enough for the dead pope to hear?  Then your dead pope, being pretty high up the totem pole there in heaven...has a more direct line to God...and goes up to Him and says; please heal this lady...so that I will be honored and remembered as a special saint.  And...to top this off; there are millions of Catholics calling on the dead pope to pray for them...that is one busy dead pope.

Can you see how ludicrous this is?

There is one mediator between God and man...Jesus Christ.
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« Reply #40 on: May 03, 2011, 11:49:01 AM »
Yes you are wrong. The pope receives no glory. Glory alone goes to God. He is venerated. Also the miracles are because of some alleged power the Pope has. The prayers of the pope that petition miracles which God performs are what we honor.

Finally the Pope is not made saint by canonization. Saints are born again christians period. Canonization makes him an honored saint. Every christian is a saint but not every saint is honored and remembered. 

Ok...just so I understand; you as Catholics, will pray/petition silently or do you say your prayers/petitions loud enough for the dead pope to hear?  Then your dead pope, being pretty high up the totem pole there in heaven...has a more direct line to God...and goes up to Him and says; please heal this lady...so that I will be honored and remembered as a special saint.  And...to top this off; there are millions of Catholics calling on the dead pope to pray for them...that is one busy dead pope.

Can you see how ludicrous this is?

There is one mediator between God and man...Jesus Christ.



Way off. Like you're so off its frustrating because I know you're not stupid so I don't for the life of me understand why you made such a stupid remark.

One we're not protestants. We don't adhere to the heresy of Soul Sleep. We accept the Truth that when you die you are caught up to heaven to be with God. So there are no dead saints. Period.

Two intecessory does not work like. Let me explain the process. In Heaven there is the Throne of God. Seated at the center is the Father and seated at the Right Hand of Power is Jesus Christ who is the High Priest and One Mediator for man. When a prayer is made it rises like smoke to the Throne of God. When this happens Jesus Christ takes the prayer and petitions the Father in His name for the fulfillment of the prayer. If it is according to God's Will it happens if not it doesn't. Intecessory is when a saint heaven prays for us. When that prayer goes through the exact same process that ours do and the Father fulfills it thats when a saint is accreditted as being a successful intercessory.

The saint doesn't just bypass the Mediator and says Father by my intercession grant this miracle. The pray of intercessor passes through the Mediator and to the Father.

Like I said we're not protestants as such we don't entertain hereies of dead saints. That is an oxymoron and blasphemous.

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« Reply #41 on: May 03, 2011, 11:59:57 AM »
Intecessory is when a saint heaven prays for us. When that prayer goes through the exact same process that ours do and the Father fulfills it thats when a saint is accreditted as being a successful intercessory.

Please explain the process of getting your prayer to this saint?
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« Reply #42 on: May 03, 2011, 12:09:21 PM »
Intecessory is when a saint heaven prays for us. When that prayer goes through the exact same process that ours do and the Father fulfills it thats when a saint is accreditted as being a successful intercessory.

Please explain the process of getting your prayer to this saint?

The Communion of the Saints is a living organism with all spiritual sense of the word. There's no weird ritualistic way to do it. We just ask them to pray for us. Its literally that simple. There is no process where we like kill 2 doves and 3 snapping turtles or anything.
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« Reply #43 on: May 03, 2011, 12:29:39 PM »
Intecessory is when a saint heaven prays for us. When that prayer goes through the exact same process that ours do and the Father fulfills it thats when a saint is accreditted as being a successful intercessory.

Please explain the process of getting your prayer to this saint?

The Communion of the Saints is a living organism with all spiritual sense of the word. There's no weird ritualistic way to do it. We just ask them to pray for us. Its literally that simple. There is no process where we like kill 2 doves and 3 snapping turtles or anything.

And they hear you?...and they hear the millions of other Catholic's?...please ::frown::

How can that be?  Is a dead pope now a God in all places at all times?

Regardless....

If a pope were to go to the cross...die for my sins...and is raised on the third day...then leaves me with his spirit so to guide me in prayer; that day...I will be on my knees asking him to pray for me.  By the way...this will never happen; the Gospel of God can not be out done...

Why?

Because I already have the Spirit of Jesus in me; and, I will pray that His Will be done in my life.  His Spirit has yet to convince me to pray to a dead saint in heaven...nor has His Word given me clear understanding and conviction that I should.

We are to pray God's Will in our life...and the only way to know God's Will is to understand God's Word...and for us to understand God's Word...the Holy Spirit is active in our life so that we can live it.

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Re: Digging for the truth
« Reply #44 on: May 03, 2011, 12:51:45 PM »
Intecessory is when a saint heaven prays for us. When that prayer goes through the exact same process that ours do and the Father fulfills it thats when a saint is accreditted as being a successful intercessory.

Please explain the process of getting your prayer to this saint?

The Communion of the Saints is a living organism with all spiritual sense of the word. There's no weird ritualistic way to do it. We just ask them to pray for us. Its literally that simple. There is no process where we like kill 2 doves and 3 snapping turtles or anything.

And they hear you?...and they hear the millions of other Catholic's?...please ::frown::

How can that be?  Is a dead pope now a God in all places at all times?

Regardless....

If a pope were to go to the cross...die for my sins...and is raised on the third day...then leaves me with his spirit so to guide me in prayer; that day...I will be on my knees asking him to pray for me.  By the way...this will never happen; the Gospel of God can not be out done...

Why?

Because I already have the Spirit of Jesus in me; and, I will pray that His Will be done in my life.  His Spirit has yet to convince me to pray to a dead saint in heaven...nor has His Word given me clear understanding and conviction that I should.

We are to pray God's Will in our life...and the only way to know God's Will is to understand God's Word...and for us to understand God's Word...the Holy Spirit is active in our life so that we can live it.

God Bless...

Intercessory is not just limited to the Pope or any the canonized saints. All the saints in heaven are available to pray for us.


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