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Does the Pope even read the Bible?
« on: Fri Jun 26, 2015 - 22:27:42 »
How could anyone who reads the Bible do something like this?  What is the matter with them?   ::headscratch::

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/27/world/middleeast/vatican-palestinian-state.html?_r=0

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Re: Does the Pope even read the Bible?
« Reply #1 on: Sat Jun 27, 2015 - 13:22:17 »
the same way Obama can read the constitution and then go around congress and make laws by EO.

the more they know about it,  the easier to invent ways around it...

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Re: Does the Pope even read the Bible?
« Reply #2 on: Sat Jun 27, 2015 - 13:49:53 »
Around here the Catholic church strongly suggests reading the Bible is not necessary.

I have family that would not miss a weekly mass who do not even own a Bible.

They believe the man... preaching to them... is the interpreter.

I could believe the Pope does not read it much, if ever and whatever he did read when he was in seminary at the beginning of his career is obviously forgotten.

Or perhaps he just feels empowered and it does not apply to him?

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Re: Does the Pope even read the Bible?
« Reply #3 on: Sat Jun 27, 2015 - 14:13:57 »
Around here the Catholic church strongly suggests reading the Bible is not necessary.

I have family that would not miss a weekly mass who do not even own a Bible.

They believe the man... preaching to them... is the interpreter.

I could believe the Pope does not read it much, if ever and whatever he did read when he was in seminary at the beginning of his career is obviously forgotten.

Or perhaps he just feels empowered and it does not apply to him?
having been raised Catholic and in Catholic schools thru HS,  I agree with all of your post.

the most we EVER read from the Bible was the story of His birth - so several verses at a time.  That's it.  While we had a bible, the only time it was used was at Christmas or if one of us forgot our catechism at school and needed to memorize a verse for class the next day.  We 'studied' from the catechism.  Verses were printed in it (those they wanted us to know)  and then it told us what it meant according to them.


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Re: Does the Pope even read the Bible?
« Reply #4 on: Sun Jun 28, 2015 - 01:48:53 »
My husband went through from grade school to high school graduation in Catholic schools, he said all they ever read was the Gospels. No more no less... a few verses in the Gospels a week in class or at Wed. mass. That's it.

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Re: Does the Pope even read the Bible?
« Reply #5 on: Sun Jun 28, 2015 - 02:33:11 »
My husband went through from grade school to high school graduation in Catholic schools, he said all they ever read was the Gospels. No more no less... a few verses in the Gospels a week in class or at Wed. mass. That's it.
that's a lot more than we ever read!

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« Reply #6 on: Sun Jun 28, 2015 - 05:24:24 »
that's a lot more than we ever read!
Now that's straight from the horse's mouth, as the old saying goes.  Praise be to God our dear sister, that God delivered you from Catholicism.  He has other children within her, that needs to be deliver as well.   

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« Reply #7 on: Sun Jun 28, 2015 - 15:07:23 »
I do believe that a Catholic Mass must have a Holy Bible and it is an obligation of every catholic to attend Mass, so if they listen they will have the Bible taught to them at every Mass.

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Re: Does the Pope even read the Bible?
« Reply #8 on: Sun Jun 28, 2015 - 18:53:52 »
Around here the Catholic church strongly suggests reading the Bible is not necessary.

I have family that would not miss a weekly mass who do not even own a Bible.

They believe the man... preaching to them... is the interpreter.

I could believe the Pope does not read it much, if ever and whatever he did read when he was in seminary at the beginning of his career is obviously forgotten.

Or perhaps he just feels empowered and it does not apply to him?

We go through the Bible every three years - at Mass.  The man preaching - the Priest - does not interpret the Scriptures, the Church as a whole does. Therefore, at any Mass anywhere in the world the interpretation is the same. This is quite unlike your particular Christian sect, which differs from another Christian sect, which also differs from another Christian sect. Thousands upon thousands, each with their own peculiar teaching.

And we the faithful are exhorted to read the Scriptures and to match what we read with what the Holy Church teaches. We are not to go off on our own, least we come up with some crazy biblical interpretations as so many others do. And to their own detriment I might add.

And the charge being leveled here that the Holy Father does not read the Scriptures is ludicrous. The man has consecrated his life to God who was incarnated here on earth, the one and only Jesus Christ Our Lord! And when he says Mass, that most beautiful prayer by man to God in Heaven, he is living them out.
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« Reply #9 on: Sun Jun 28, 2015 - 19:01:36 »
My husband went through from grade school to high school graduation in Catholic schools, he said all they ever read was the Gospels. No more no less... a few verses in the Gospels a week in class or at Wed. mass. That's it.

Yeah, yeah, we know. He fell into your clutches and became as big a rejectionist as you are.

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« Reply #10 on: Sun Jun 28, 2015 - 19:05:38 »
How could anyone who reads the Bible do something like this?  What is the matter with them?   ::headscratch::

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/27/world/middleeast/vatican-palestinian-state.html?_r=0


You do realize that there are many Palestinians who are Christian, right? So what is the big problem here and what does reading the Bible have to do with it? I would say that he is looking to some of Jesus's actions, you know how Jesus was never afraid to talk to others.  Sometimes I have to wonder if you really know what's going on in this world.
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« Reply #11 on: Sun Jun 28, 2015 - 19:15:27 »
How could anyone who reads the Bible do something like this?  What is the matter with them?   ::headscratch::

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/27/world/middleeast/vatican-palestinian-state.html?_r=0



Did you read the entire piece linked in the article you posted here? The Comprehensive agreement
between the Holy See and the State of Palestine ?


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The Comprehensive Agreement, while constituting an understanding between two subjects of international law, basically concerns the life and activity of the Church in Palestine.


What exactly is your concern about this?

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Re: Does the Pope even read the Bible?
« Reply #12 on: Sun Jun 28, 2015 - 20:58:39 »
My concern is Israel. 

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« Reply #13 on: Sun Jun 28, 2015 - 21:03:07 »
"Yeah, yeah, we know. He fell into your clutches and became as big a rejectionist as you are."

You are so rude and hateful.  No different than any other Catholic I have met.  You would rather a man who was not saved in any way...  living a life that would send him to Hell, be a Catholic than to be Born Again.  He was not saved.  He did not care about the mass or living a Godly life at all. He got saved, and came out of a religion to become one of the Godliest men you might met. He has Charity, He loved the word of God, He loved the Lord....  but you insult him because he chooses not to be Catholic.

You'd rather see him in Hell than to not be a Catholic. Typical. 

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« Reply #14 on: Sun Jun 28, 2015 - 21:22:34 »
My concern is Israel.
Did you read the excerpt from the papal decision on this?
How does this decision affect Israel in your view?

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Re: Does the Pope even read the Bible?
« Reply #15 on: Mon Jun 29, 2015 - 00:52:08 »
Around here the Catholic church strongly suggests reading the Bible is not necessary.

I have family that would not miss a weekly mass who do not even own a Bible.

They believe the man... preaching to them... is the interpreter.

I could believe the Pope does not read it much, if ever and whatever he did read when he was in seminary at the beginning of his career is obviously forgotten.

Or perhaps he just feels empowered and it does not apply to him?
We go through the Bible every three years - at Mass.  The man preaching - the Priest - does not interpret the Scriptures, the Church as a whole does. Therefore, at any Mass anywhere in the world the interpretation is the same. This is quite unlike your particular Christian sect, which differs from another Christian sect, which also differs from another Christian sect. Thousands upon thousands, each with their own peculiar teaching.

And we the faithful are exhorted to read the Scriptures and to match what we read with what the Holy Church teaches. We are not to go off on our own, least we come up with some crazy biblical interpretations as so many others do. And to their own detriment I might add.

And the charge being leveled here that the Holy Father does not read the Scriptures is ludicrous. The man has consecrated his life to God who was incarnated here on earth, the one and only Jesus Christ Our Lord! And when he says Mass, that most beautiful prayer by man to God in Heaven, he is living them out.
I recently viewed a chart regarding that.  It isn't true.  the chart was probably from the internet somewhere.

they'd have to read about 200 verses a week in order to get thru the whole Bible.  that's going to Sunday svc.  going 7 days a wk I think it comes out to about 28 verses each day.  They don't even come close to that.  A chapter averages about 26 verses.  No Catholic I know (or have known)- and that's a ton of 'em would stay awake or sit still thru all of that in a svc.  They're checking their watches before 30 min are up.

and that's just reading them, not studying them. 

as for thousands and thousands, you again have no idea.  I doubt you could name 100 that have different major beliefs.  just because there are 1000s of 'groups'/buildings out there doesn't mean they all believe something different.  Catholics are always posting that every RCC has the same svc/readings etc as anywhere else in the world... don't know why I should believe you when you post such exaggerations.

As a Christian I read the Bible in alignment with other verses in it -  written by those chosen by God to do so.  Believing nothing that is contrary to what Jesus and the Apostles taught.

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« Reply #18 on: Mon Jun 29, 2015 - 18:15:59 »
If you Protesters really must criticize Christ's Apostolic Universal Church at least first do your homework by studying what the Church really believes and teaches, not by referencing so many anti-Catholic Jack Chick characters. I came back to the Catholic Church after realizing that the One Church that Jesus left us with was based on His Teachings to His apostles and they to their successors, along with the completed Canon of our Bible.  If Jesus wanted us to depend on the Holy Bible as a sole rule for salvation then He would have left His apostles with the completed Holy Bible. Jesus being God with an infinite mind understood that we mere men have finite minds that if left with the "Bible Alone" would only result with a medley of confused, conflicting heterogeneous doctrines as found in all non-Catholic churches today [ Eph.4:3-6 ] thus He left us with His One Apostolic Church.
True Christianity [ the Fullness of the Faith ] is the only world religion [ Faith] that is not of a holy book alone i.e. Islam, Judaism,  Protestantism.

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« Reply #20 on: Tue Jun 30, 2015 - 05:36:16 »
I personally know many Catholics, in fact many more Catholics than other denominations but the sad truth is that none of them could quote a vs from the Bible that aligns with current events, or just our day to day living. Now, half of them are flying the gay pride profile mod on their facebook profiles. If this seems possibly just coincidental, look even here on this forum at the number of participating Catholics vs the number of people that register as Catholic in the world and it will become quite apparent that the Catholic church's simply does not push their members into personal study of the Bible.

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« Reply #21 on: Tue Jun 30, 2015 - 10:21:18 »
The title of this thread is a question . "Does the Pope even read the Bible?"  ::frown::

Well mclees has given the answer .

He says :"We know the Pope reads the Bible ."  ::amen!::

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« Reply #22 on: Tue Jun 30, 2015 - 11:36:03 »
I personally know many Catholics, in fact many more Catholics than other denominations but the sad truth is that none of them could quote a vs from the Bible that aligns with current events, or just our day to day living. Now, half of them are flying the gay pride profile mod on their facebook profiles. If this seems possibly just coincidental, look even here on this forum at the number of participating Catholics vs the number of people that register as Catholic in the world and it will become quite apparent that the Catholic church's simply does not push their members into personal study of the Bible.
I would suggest the church isn't a nanny and that if a Roman Catholic wants to study the Bible they are perfectly able to exercise their free choice and do so.

Why would any church have to make it a mission to push their members to study God's word? When they take the time already to arrive at God's house and be ministered to from time to time?


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« Reply #23 on: Tue Jun 30, 2015 - 13:05:09 »
The church authority doles out the word as they see fit.  Mass is the main concern.  Attend mass... and you are good to go, sanctified and holy.  They have their holy objects, which they declare is not idolatry.  They cling to those. 

We recently took a trip to Pensacola, my dh cousin passed and was given Military Honors in the National Cemetery on the Naval base there.  My sister in law rode with us, she had a bag of books she took everywhere.  Her Journal, her "let go of stress" book, her verse of the day book, and her Bible.  Bag O' Books...  the only one she never opened was the Bible.  She would Journal in the morning, at the beach, and at night...  She would read her 1 verse a day.  And read her "stress" book a couple times a day.  But, never once cracked that bible to read it.  Just that one lone verse a day. 

Not to judge, a verse a day is better than nothing, but how can one maintain a deeply rooted personal relationship with the Lord if you do not really read His word?  She was a week dragging that bag o books around...  Talking about herself, and journaling about her day.  I don't know how a spiritual life can thrive and grow when the few verses a week they give you at mass each week... crumbs really, and perhaps a verse a day is all you invest in know the God of the Bible. 

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« Reply #24 on: Tue Jun 30, 2015 - 13:14:42 »
But it is judgment. (Catholics can read their Bible if they wish. They're not robots) As is the OP. I would gently suggest you realize where you are. This is the Catholic Forum. And while it is not the safe house so that your posts violate the sanctity of that area, it is still the Catholic Forum populated by Catholic members and others.

Members are free to ask questions about doctrine of any faith tradition. They're free to critique doctrine from a Biblical perspective. However, I would suggest what is not productive in cultivating a healthy atmosphere, a charitable energy, or demonstrating a higher level of spiritual awareness, is to make belittling threads, posts, remarks that intend to levy snarky digs into the RCC and/or the pope.

These two rule reminders are timely I think.


Rule No. 1 - No "Flaming"
1.2 You will not directly call another member or his or her religious organization a “cult”, “heretic,” “demonic” or “satanic” if it holds beliefs consistent with orthodox Christianity as set forth in Rule 6. You may discuss doctrines, teachings, practices or writings of other religious organizations as long as evidence (including Scripture) is provided.

1.3 You will only post negative statements about another individual’s belief or religious organization (including non-Christian religions) with objective evidence provided. Members are allowed to say “The doctrines X church is false because of Y scriptures and Z other relevant evidence."



God knows I've unleashed my tongue a time or two. And God also knows I've repented of my errors and asked forgiveness.
One of the best ways to watch my mouth is to stop and ask myself, before I give voice to what may be a temper; would I say this with Jesus standing right behind me with his hands on my shoulders listening?


When God is omnipresent that's exactly what's happening. Are we speaking with the Holy Spirit inside us? Or are we giving the Devil his due?

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« Reply #25 on: Tue Jun 30, 2015 - 13:20:41 »
I personally know many Catholics, in fact many more Catholics than other denominations but the sad truth is that none of them could quote a vs from the Bible that aligns with current events, or just our day to day living. Now, half of them are flying the gay pride profile mod on their facebook profiles. If this seems possibly just coincidental, look even here on this forum at the number of participating Catholics vs the number of people that register as Catholic in the world and it will become quite apparent that the Catholic church's simply does not push their members into personal study of the Bible.
I would suggest the church isn't a nanny and that if a Roman Catholic wants to study the Bible they are perfectly able to exercise their free choice and do so.

Why would any church have to make it a mission to push their members to study God's word? When they take the time already to arrive at God's house and be ministered to from time to time?

The church fulfills it's mission when it teaches it's members their personal responsibilities when walking with Christ, but when the only encouragement from the church is to "come back next Sunday" then you begin to see a people that are steeped in religion and without relationship with God. It's a Sunday deal only.

Our church never forced us into personal study of the word but they did emphasize the importance of doing so.

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« Reply #26 on: Tue Jun 30, 2015 - 13:23:29 »
But it is judgment. (Catholics can read their Bible if they wish. They're not robots) As is the OP. I would gently suggest you realize where you are. This is the Catholic Forum. And while it is not the safe house so that your posts violate the sanctity of that area, it is still the Catholic Forum populated by Catholic members and others.

Members are free to ask questions about doctrine of any faith tradition. They're free to critique doctrine from a Biblical perspective. However, I would suggest what is not productive in cultivating a healthy atmosphere, a charitable energy, or demonstrating a higher level of spiritual awareness, is to make belittling threads, posts, remarks that intend to levy snarky digs into the RCC and/or the pope.

These two rule reminders are timely I think.


Rule No. 1 - No "Flaming"
1.2 You will not directly call another member or his or her religious organization a “cult”, “heretic,” “demonic” or “satanic” if it holds beliefs consistent with orthodox Christianity as set forth in Rule 6. You may discuss doctrines, teachings, practices or writings of other religious organizations as long as evidence (including Scripture) is provided.

1.3 You will only post negative statements about another individual’s belief or religious organization (including non-Christian religions) with objective evidence provided. Members are allowed to say “The doctrines X church is false because of Y scriptures and Z other relevant evidence."



God knows I've unleashed my tongue a time or two. And God also knows I've repented of my errors and asked forgiveness.
One of the best ways to watch my mouth is to stop and ask myself, before I give voice to what may be a temper; would I say this with Jesus standing right behind me with his hands on my shoulders listening?


When God is omnipresent that's exactly what's happening. Are we speaking with the Holy Spirit inside us? Or are we giving the Devil his due?

Thank you very much for your post . I hope your words will be adhered to .

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« Reply #27 on: Tue Jun 30, 2015 - 15:31:28 »
The title of this thread is a question . "Does the Pope even read the Bible?"  ::frown::

Well mclees has given the answer .

He says :"We know the Pope reads the Bible ."  ::amen!::

Yes I said he reads it.  So why does he not abide by it?  Why Did Jesus say I pray not for the world?  Our unction is to put no faith in it yet that part is ignored. You haven't even told us what he says about the gay issue. In fact since this new law the pope has not even stood up to say anything. Is he not the one who assumes to be the worlds religious leader.  Come on Paulus since I posted about discerning the times not one follow up.

Why is it that Franklin Graham wasted not one minute to stand up and defend the word of God. . He reads the Bible also.  How come not pope Francis.  respectfully 
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« Reply #28 on: Tue Jun 30, 2015 - 15:57:03 »
Buster, in my comment I was not judging or speaking to anyone here on the forums.  If you read, I was speaking directly to a situation I witnessed on a trip recently I took.  I was speaking about my sister in laws activity.  She does not read her bible, she relies on other sources.  How is that flaming someone here? My comments were specific to her... 

I believe it's true that the Church doles out the word. Didn't someone here mention in a post that "all" of the Catholic Churches read the same verses in mass each Sunday?  The church decides, and by it's authority the word is doled out at mass. Everyone hears the same thing.  I didn't accuse that, it was introduced by a Catholic. That would not be flaming.


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« Reply #29 on: Tue Jun 30, 2015 - 16:12:13 »
Kensington, my remarks concerned other of your comments here including the implication of the OP.


As in:
"Yeah, yeah, we know. He fell into your clutches and became as big a rejectionist as you are."

You are so rude and hateful.  No different than any other Catholic I have met.  You would rather a man who was not saved in any way...  living a life that would send him to Hell, be a Catholic than to be Born Again.  He was not saved.  He did not care about the mass or living a Godly life at all. He got saved, and came out of a religion to become one of the Godliest men you might met. He has Charity, He loved the word of God, He loved the Lord....  but you insult him because he chooses not to be Catholic.

You'd rather see him in Hell than to not be a Catholic. Typical.

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Re: Does the Pope even read the Bible?
« Reply #30 on: Tue Jun 30, 2015 - 16:33:59 »
I personally know many Catholics, in fact many more Catholics than other denominations but the sad truth is that none of them could quote a vs from the Bible that aligns with current events, or just our day to day living. Now, half of them are flying the gay pride profile mod on their facebook profiles. If this seems possibly just coincidental, look even here on this forum at the number of participating Catholics vs the number of people that register as Catholic in the world and it will become quite apparent that the Catholic church's simply does not push their members into personal study of the Bible.
I would suggest the church isn't a nanny and that if a Roman Catholic wants to study the Bible they are perfectly able to exercise their free choice and do so.

Why would any church have to make it a mission to push their members to study God's word? When they take the time already to arrive at God's house and be ministered to from time to time?

The church fulfills it's mission when it teaches it's members their personal responsibilities when walking with Christ, but when the only encouragement from the church is to "come back next Sunday" then you begin to see a people that are steeped in religion and without relationship with God. It's a Sunday deal only.

Our church never forced us into personal study of the word but they did emphasize the importance of doing so.

What makes you think that this is something that the Catholic Church does?  The statement I bolded above is patently untrue about the Catholic Church, not even close.

However on the other hand, it is a gross injustice to God to not worship on every single Lord's Day.  That commandment is lost on people when there is no stress of the importance of "com(ing) back next Sunday", and people see worshiping God as an "add on" to their life rather than the center of it.

Furthermore, there are many Catholics who spend every day going to Church.  Every.  Single. Day.  They are at mass worshiping.  Because they know not only that the Lord is present in their soul, but also that the Lord is also present in a special way in the Most Holy Eucharist, which we believe becomes Jesus' real body and blood, because Jesus said so.

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Re: Does the Pope even read the Bible?
« Reply #31 on: Tue Jun 30, 2015 - 16:42:28 »
Kensington, my remarks concerned other of your comments here including the implication of the OP.


As in:


"Yeah, yeah, we know. He fell into your clutches and became as big a rejectionist as you are."

You are so rude and hateful.  No different than any other Catholic I have met.  You would rather a man who was not saved in any way...  living a life that would send him to Hell, be a Catholic than to be Born Again.  He was not saved.  He did not care about the mass or living a Godly life at all. He got saved, and came out of a religion to become one of the Godliest men you might met. He has Charity, He loved the word of God, He loved the Lord....  but you insult him because he chooses not to be Catholic.

You'd rather see him in Hell than to not be a Catholic. Typical.

I believe the above refers to her dh.

being Catholic or any denom is not a 'get out of hell free' card.
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Re: Does the Pope even read the Bible?
« Reply #32 on: Tue Jun 30, 2015 - 18:58:50 »
I personally know many Catholics, in fact many more Catholics than other denominations but the sad truth is that none of them could quote a vs from the Bible that aligns with current events, or just our day to day living. Now, half of them are flying the gay pride profile mod on their facebook profiles. If this seems possibly just coincidental, look even here on this forum at the number of participating Catholics vs the number of people that register as Catholic in the world and it will become quite apparent that the Catholic church's simply does not push their members into personal study of the Bible.
I would suggest the church isn't a nanny and that if a Roman Catholic wants to study the Bible they are perfectly able to exercise their free choice and do so.

Why would any church have to make it a mission to push their members to study God's word? When they take the time already to arrive at God's house and be ministered to from time to time?

The church fulfills it's mission when it teaches it's members their personal responsibilities when walking with Christ, but when the only encouragement from the church is to "come back next Sunday" then you begin to see a people that are steeped in religion and without relationship with God. It's a Sunday deal only.

Our church never forced us into personal study of the word but they did emphasize the importance of doing so.

What makes you think that this is something that the Catholic Church does?  The statement I bolded above is patently untrue about the Catholic Church, not even close.

However on the other hand, it is a gross injustice to God to not worship on every single Lord's Day.  That commandment is lost on people when there is no stress of the importance of "com(ing) back next Sunday", and people see worshiping God as an "add on" to their life rather than the center of it.

Furthermore, there are many Catholics who spend every day going to Church.  Every.  Single. Day.  They are at mass worshiping.  Because they know not only that the Lord is present in their soul, but also that the Lord is also present in a special way in the Most Holy Eucharist, which we believe becomes Jesus' real body and blood, because Jesus said so.

Actually, coming to this forum has enlightened me regarding catholics and their hearts to worship our Lord. As I've said before the area in which I live has a very high percentage of Europeans, mostly Italian, but I don't know a single one of them that holds the Lord in the highest regards. Even my own family are what could be classed as luke warm catholics. I'm sure this is also prevalent in other denominations, no more or less than the catholic church but my point was that there exists a genuine lack of encouragement in the church, or the patrons are simply not getting it.

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Re: Does the Pope even read the Bible?
« Reply #33 on: Tue Jun 30, 2015 - 20:15:14 »
The church authority doles out the word as they see fit.  Mass is the main concern.  Attend mass... and you are good to go, sanctified and holy.  They have their holy objects, which they declare is not idolatry.  They cling to those. 

We recently took a trip to Pensacola, my dh cousin passed and was given Military Honors in the National Cemetery on the Naval base there.  My sister in law rode with us, she had a bag of books she took everywhere.  Her Journal, her "let go of stress" book, her verse of the day book, and her Bible.  Bag O' Books...  the only one she never opened was the Bible.  She would Journal in the morning, at the beach, and at night...  She would read her 1 verse a day.  And read her "stress" book a couple times a day.  But, never once cracked that bible to read it.  Just that one lone verse a day. 

Not to judge, a verse a day is better than nothing, but how can one maintain a deeply rooted personal relationship with the Lord if you do not really read His word?  She was a week dragging that bag o books around...  Talking about herself, and journaling about her day.  I don't know how a spiritual life can thrive and grow when the few verses a week they give you at mass each week... crumbs really, and perhaps a verse a day is all you invest in know the God of the Bible.

Not to judge, but then you do just that by questioning her relationship with the Lord. How do you know what is in her heart as she goes about her day? The fact is, you don't!

For example, as I go about my day I pray many times, silently, and no one knows about it. So perhaps she does the same. And not every day do I read the bible, but what I have read and the teachings I have received about Christ are still inside me. It is completely possible for one to maintain a deeply rooted relationship with the Lord through prayer and leading a Christlike life.

And the Holy Mass is not "crumbs" as you say, but one of the most perfect prayers that can come from the hearts of man. It is Jesus truly present in the most Holy Eucharist and us there at the foot of the Cross.  I think you will have to answer to Him someday for your callous and condescending attitude towards one of the most beautiful ways in which people can worship God. So I will pray for you, that at the appointed time Jesus will show you mercy and that someday your hardened heart will be softened towards us and the truth of the way we worship.
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Re: Does the Pope even read the Bible?
« Reply #34 on: Tue Jun 30, 2015 - 20:33:27 »
But it is judgment. (Catholics can read their Bible if they wish. They're not robots) As is the OP. I would gently suggest you realize where you are. This is the Catholic Forum. And while it is not the safe house so that your posts violate the sanctity of that area, it is still the Catholic Forum populated by Catholic members and others.

Members are free to ask questions about doctrine of any faith tradition. They're free to critique doctrine from a Biblical perspective. However, I would suggest what is not productive in cultivating a healthy atmosphere, a charitable energy, or demonstrating a higher level of spiritual awareness, is to make belittling threads, posts, remarks that intend to levy snarky digs into the RCC and/or the pope.

These two rule reminders are timely I think.


Rule No. 1 - No "Flaming"
1.2 You will not directly call another member or his or her religious organization a “cult”, “heretic,” “demonic” or “satanic” if it holds beliefs consistent with orthodox Christianity as set forth in Rule 6. You may discuss doctrines, teachings, practices or writings of other religious organizations as long as evidence (including Scripture) is provided.

1.3 You will only post negative statements about another individual’s belief or religious organization (including non-Christian religions) with objective evidence provided. Members are allowed to say “The doctrines X church is false because of Y scriptures and Z other relevant evidence."



God knows I've unleashed my tongue a time or two. And God also knows I've repented of my errors and asked forgiveness.
One of the best ways to watch my mouth is to stop and ask myself, before I give voice to what may be a temper; would I say this with Jesus standing right behind me with his hands on my shoulders listening?


When God is omnipresent that's exactly what's happening. Are we speaking with the Holy Spirit inside us? Or are we giving the Devil his due?

Very well said! I too have unleashed my tongue in an unworthy manner and I apologize to anyone who has been on the receiving end. A good reminder to me Buster Crabb and I thank you.
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