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fallen Catholic Casualty
« on: Wed Feb 25, 2015 - 00:23:47 »
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=...&v=M83mwGsdycI
Okay...for the sake of my mental health and my sanity I have left the Catholic Church.I explained it via YouTube.It conflicts with my conscience.I can see why you would believe all of the Dogmas...I just don't see how you can like them all.Some are scary and depressing.The good the bad and the ugly.
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Re: fallen Catholic Casualty
« Reply #1 on: Wed Feb 25, 2015 - 00:50:12 »
Hope that you manage to find a good church family somewhere else, there are plenty out there. 

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« Reply #2 on: Wed Feb 25, 2015 - 09:28:25 »
May God be with you mattj. There is good and bad with all of mans institutions of church. Zero in on that one on one personal relationship that you have with God. Go church hopping- God will put you where you need to be......

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« Reply #3 on: Wed Feb 25, 2015 - 12:15:30 »
Your explanation makes sense to me.  I've never been Catholic, but I ask the same questions based on the Catholics I know or am related too.

My main question would be why there is so much devotion to Mary, and no signs of devotion to Jesus by so many Catholics.  If He is the Savior, the one who died that we might have life, then why the devotion to Mary. 

That being said.  I do pray that you find a church where you can worship, learn, and thrive as a Christian without so much turmoil.  Be a reflection of Jesus.  Be what it is you have looked for in others who claim religion and could not find.  God Bless.

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Re: fallen Catholic Casualty
« Reply #4 on: Wed Feb 25, 2015 - 20:05:07 »
And what you will be doing now will be believing other men's false interpretations of the Holy Scriptures. Another rejectionist of orthodox Christianity, how nice. So really, why are you posting this here? You should be with all your newfound friends. 

But anyway, I digress, I haven't watched the vid but to which new sect have you gone or are you just going to  bounce around? I guess the bright side of all this will be that when you start to disagree with one interpretation of the Scriptures by one particular church you can go on to the next one which will give you another interpretation. But hey, why stop there. Since all the shackles are now off, you can start you own new Christian sect. Think of all the things you want to Christianity to really be and go for it. Good luck!
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Re: fallen Catholic Casualty
« Reply #5 on: Thu Feb 26, 2015 - 11:10:49 »
The problem is we are looking for the right church. What denomination is Gods choice. The answer is none of them. That is not to say we can find truth for Gods word is truth.

The Lord says ," blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness".
I don't believe it wrong or against God if I add one word to this beatitude
Blessed are those who hunger and thirst after truth and righteousness for they shall be filled
Jesus said that the Holy Spirit would guide us into all truth.

Let me share a truth with you. There are no denominations or hierarchical church orders in Gods kingdom. Jesus has a people and they Love Him and desire a close and personal relationship with Him.  The Holy Spirit is their guide

We must be the church in our hearts first and congregationally second. 

Another truth. Where is the right place to worship?
 The woman saith unto him, Sir, I perceive that thou art a prophet. 20 Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship. 21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. 22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. 23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.   Jn 4:19-24 

The Lord said where there are two or three gathered in His name there he is in the mist

Paul said " no ye not that ye are the temple of God and the spirit of God dwelleth in you.

Who then is the church. I am first the church in my heart and when I am in the congregation (with other believers) I am of the body of Chris,t His church

Seek a full gospel church that preaches Holy Spirit relationship.  When Jesus said you must be born again of the spirit we seek to know How the Holy Spirit works Christ in us

God bless
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« Reply #6 on: Thu Feb 26, 2015 - 22:47:28 »
I always get a kick when someone mentions finding a "Full Gospel" church.  Is that the kind of church that preaches Christ crucified and that forgiveness can be found in Him because of that fact?  Is that the kind of church that preaches eternal life? Is that the kind of church that preaches the Holy Spirit, along with the Father and the Son - the Trinity?  Is that the kind of church that preaches the Holy Scriptures and that not one word of them is to be ignored? Is that the kind of church that also looks to the Old Testament as the preceding testimony of God through the prophets? Is that the kind of church that requires us to be active participants in salvation through the "good works" concept as written in the Scriptures? (As we all know faith without works is dead) Is that the kind of church that preaches baptism? Is that the kind of church that preaches there are indeed leaders of that church here on earth to instruct us in the faith as per the Scriptures?  Well then, it seems to me the originator of this thread has left a "Full Gospel "church and is now headed God knows where.
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« Reply #7 on: Thu Feb 26, 2015 - 23:04:21 »
Ladonia,
    I just want to ask if you serve in the Catholic church of your own free will or is it forced upon you?  If we do not have free will, and freedom to choose, what good is grace or salvation to us?  No longer under the Law we walk in the freedom of individual relationship with Christ alone.

It's sad you treat others the way you do, while still proclaiming the beauty of your faith.  The reality is you put off a "bondage" attitude within the Catholic church.  People who want to seek, and or have a choice are ridiculed or mocked. You treat them with disrespect for having questions and seeking to find truth.  You do not know if they will return or not, but you don't even treat them with the common decency you would someone who needed salvation to begin with.  It's so sad to see you do this time and time again.

Accusing others in the body of Christ of not having understanding for the word of God.  You mock us all.  It's just so silly.  Lets not forget the Catholic church is NOT a full gospel church.  It's an Extrabiblical church, they add in tons of stuff that is not even implied in the word and then try to hold others in bondage to it.  If you choose that church...  go for it.  Stop trying to be the judge of those who don't.  God has used the Protestants to see many many people saved over the course of time when Catholicism would not do.  An example would be after the Priest scandal and so many were hurting and wounded.  Would you force them to be Catholic?  Or would you not begrudge them seeking comfort and relationship with Christ outside of Catholicism?  What would Christ do?  Try doing that for a change.

Actually, you are one of those the young man speaks of in his video, I suspect.
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« Reply #8 on: Thu Feb 26, 2015 - 23:52:57 »
I follow the Latin Rite of Christianity of my own free will, and I only defend against those who have no problem taking us who remain orthodox Christians to task. I have experienced being mocked and castigated right here at GC and maybe I should not respond in kind, but I did.  You can have your own viewpoint of us and say we are not a "Full Gospel" church, but I will disagree with you vehemently. We were a full gospel church way before any of the multitude of new Christian sects ever existed.

I would never force anyone to do anything they don't want to and they can go out and seek God in whatever way they want. This person said unequivocally that they have left the Catholic Church. But my question still remains, why was this posted here in the Catholic section at all? This person has left the Latin Rite so why would this individual want to have anything to do with us at this point in any way? 

See, I think it was just meant to chide us in some manner, that this person has now "seen the light" and wants to gloat or something. So perhaps taking it to the non-denominational section would have been more appropriate. And isn't it funny that once posting we have heard nothing from the person again either.
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« Reply #9 on: Fri Feb 27, 2015 - 12:52:36 »
I don't see it that way.  Perhaps he is sharing it here, to give freedom to others who might have the same insights or questioning of the Catholic church.  A perfect place to open discussion on what he sees is wrong with the church. 

Your stance is that there is nothing wrong with the Catholic church, while other Catholics my very well see it differently and want to discuss it.  They have been hurt and disappointed, they should open that discussion with Catholics.  You said you did not watch the video.  If you had, you would see, he does not have a chiding attitude.  Not in my opinion.  Sincere issues.

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« Reply #10 on: Fri Feb 27, 2015 - 14:10:25 »
I always get a kick when someone mentions finding a "Full Gospel" church.  Is that the kind of church that preaches Christ crucified and that forgiveness can be found in Him because of that fact?  Is that the kind of church that preaches eternal life? Is that the kind of church that preaches the Holy Spirit, along with the Father and the Son - the Trinity?  Is that the kind of church that preaches the Holy Scriptures and that not one word of them is to be ignored? Is that the kind of church that also looks to the Old Testament as the preceding testimony of God through the prophets? Is that the kind of church that requires us to be active participants in salvation through the "good works" concept as written in the Scriptures? (As we all know faith without works is dead) Is that the kind of church that preaches baptism? Is that the kind of church that preaches there are indeed leaders of that church here on earth to instruct us in the faith as per the Scriptures?  Well then, it seems to me the originator of this thread has left a "Full Gospel "church and is now headed God knows where.

I watched a good part of the video. Most of what he was dismayed about was the ritualistic legalism of the sacrament's and the exaltation of the popes. These are the things we have addressed everyday on this forum.  One is made to feel dammed he does not stay in the Catholic church. You say on one hand one does not have to be a catholic to be saved yet this man makes it quite clear that that is not what they are made to think.  Am I going to hell Ladonia in your eyes. Be honest.

Just to touch on your comments about being full Gospel. You said one thing about the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is not just. a third part of the trinity but through Him and by Him we have relationship with God and are made to know the truth of Christ by not just being with us but in us. I have been on this forum for a long time and long enough to know that I have not heard anything like what I just said from any Catholic on this board. Yet this truth is central to our Knew covenant relationship that  Jesus and the apostles taught   

Your relationship is not personal but channeled through a legalistic hierarchy. After all these years I do not say that lightly, but from every fiber of my being. One goes to a spirit filled church not that it is the right church, but it is a teacher to help understand how vital the Holy Spirit is to knowing Christ and His gospel. To mold and change our character to the image of Christ  Yet for you and all that are taught by the Catholic church He is just one part of the trinity that your church claims is exclusive to your hierarchy.

 


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« Reply #11 on: Tue Mar 24, 2015 - 20:46:35 »
I would feel empty without the sacraments

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« Reply #12 on: Tue Mar 24, 2015 - 21:13:02 »
Other religions have the sacraments.  I can't think of one that doesn't have Baptism, Communion, Confirmation, Marriage, Anointing the sick.

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« Reply #13 on: Mon Apr 06, 2015 - 12:47:35 »
Well Matt I'm sorry to hear that you have left. 

I'm surprised at some things you said.  You addressed your video to CARM.  The people who argue against the Catholic Church on that forum are some of the most vile that I have ever encountered.  Further many of them, including their leader Matt Slick, would say that all Catholics are on their way to hell, AND that your parents would be as well.

My parents are also separated from the Church and my sisters are unbaptized.  I fear for their salvation but I don't despair.  I still hope to be present to them until the day they die and to live as a witness to them during that time and love them like Jesus would.

We aren't saved by assent to belief, and we receive as much grace from the sacraments as we are disposed to receive.  Grace isn't forced on us through the sacraments, nor is being in a state of grace a guarantee that we will be lit on fire by that grace if we are not open to it.  Considering this it is plain easy to understand why some faithful mass-goers aren't lit on fire with love.  They don't allow God to do it, and God doesn't force them into it.

There are many kind people who do not call themselves Catholic as well.  And those people are possibly in a state of grace because of their baptism and their openness to God's grace.  We cannot know whether they will be saved or damned, nor does the Church state that they are either.  God's grace flows through the sacraments and the church, and it flows to people who don't call themselves Catholic through that same means.

Why there are surely some very kind buddhist people, or hindus, or atheists for that matter.  Kindness toward your fellow man is not something unique to Christians.  So why would leaving the Catholic Church in favor of some other random Christian church be appealing?  Maybe that's not what you have done?

I believe all the doctrines of the Catholic Church, not because I like the implications of all of them, but because they are true.  It doesn't do any good at all to reject truth just because we don't like it.  If your parents and the ones you love are not ultimately saved, they will be not saved whether you believe they will be saved or not.  I love the doctrines of the Catholic Church even if I don't like them, because knowing the truth then I can do something about it.

You are loving yourself by rejecting a difficult doctrine.  You are not loving your family by rejecting it.  You are trying to save your sanity which I can sympathize with.  God is in it for the long haul, and you should never lose hope that God will save your parents.  He needs you to be their witness to do it though.  They need someone who will be faithful enough to call the priest so that they may receive the sacraments on their death bed, someone who has prayed for them for years because he knows what might happen to them in the end, someone who has a supernatural grace flowing directly from the sacraments who will then lead them back to that same source of grace eventually and not away from it.

Don't stay away from the Church.  Embrace the teachings even if they cause you suffering.  Unite that suffering to our Lord's suffering and you will be that conduit of grace to your parents that they desperately need.

For your own sake, don't abuse the sacrament of confession.  You need to turn your heart around to have a valid confession.

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« Reply #14 on: Tue Apr 07, 2015 - 15:49:24 »
You should do something because it is true not because it is comfortable

Purgatory is one of the teachings that gave me the most peace

Go talk to your priest or join a a catholic men's group

Becoming catholic was very difficult for me but since it is true it brings peace

 

     
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